Anita Sarkeesian - TEDxWomen 2012 - General

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38720752]uh no I'm pretty sure when people called her a cunt and threatened to rape her it was because she was a woman.[/QUOTE] And if he was a man they would call him a dick and threaten to beat him up.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721640]can you explain pro sex feminism to me because i think your just quoting a video that was posted on facepunch a while back, possibly without really know what it really is. also im not even talking about whether "most" people who dislike her are misogynist, im talking about whether the backlash against her kickstarter campaign was in any way reasonable.[/QUOTE] I think when the kickstarter first began, there were a few who realized how full of shit she was, and they were drowned out by hordes of people who were most likely against her because she was a woman. As time has gone on from then, more and more people are against her because of her lack of, you know, content. At least that's how I see it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721640]can you explain pro sex feminism to me because i think your just quoting a video that was posted on facepunch a while back, possibly without knowing what it really is.[/QUOTE] [sp]most of the arguments in this thread and on FP as a whole are verbatim quotations from those two videos[/sp]

[QUOTE=Gprimeisback;38721550]Oh I forgot I'm on the most liberal forum on the net.[/QUOTE] [url]http://liberalforum.org/liberalforum/[/url] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721607]Most people don't hate her because they are misogynist. They hate her because she talks through her ass, labels anyone who is against her as misogynist and worst of all is giving a bad name to feminism. She obviously doesn't even realize pro sex feminism is a thing and is using feminism as a way to get fame while contributing nothing to it.[/QUOTE] AFAIK she has only claimed the people who called her a slut and threatened to rape her are misogynists.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721653]And if he was a man they would call him a dick and threaten to beat him up.[/QUOTE] If it was a male making videos about female video game characters he would be called a white knight and other ridiculous terms MRA's like to use, especially in this post-Sarkeesian controversy world.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721640] im talking about whether the backlash against her kickstarter campaign was in any way reasonable.[/QUOTE] Well considering she asked for money in order talk about something she doesn't really know that much about and hasn't even done the things she promised it makes sense that she would get back lash. Oh and yes I have known about pro-sex feminism since I have been one for a while now.

[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;38721660]I think when the kickstarter first began, there were a few who realized how full of shit she was, and they were drowned out by hordes of people who were most likely against her because she was a woman. As time has gone on from then, more and more people are against her because of her lack of, you know, content. At least that's how I see it.[/QUOTE] there probably is more criticism about the content now. however, in the video anita isnt talking about that criticism, she is talking about the incredibly violent and bigoted response to her kickstarter campaign. i mean you can keep saying "oh yea well now the criticism is mostly about content" but that's just shifting the conversation because we weren't really talking about that in the first place.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38721649]I never did this, in fact I have criticised her methods in another thread, are you thinking of someone else :v:? I can't speak to specifics but it was probably less a conspiracy theory to control the conversation on on a youtube video and more because any attempt at a reasonable comment was pushed aside by crushing hatred. Hero? No, probably not. Victimized? Harshly so.[/QUOTE] Sorry, it's just how you had criticism in quotation marks. The comments thing was her pushing traffic to the kick starter video. If you wanted to comment on any work she had done and have it seen you would have to coment on that video. This caused a storm of arguements in the comments section which pushed her video up in the youtube rankings, often giving her the front page. She knew this would happen because it's the only video where she didn't moderate the comments. She may be shallow and happy to create an echo chamber of her own ideas but she's not stupid. She's not a hero, obviously, but the gaming press went out of their way to present her as one. Every gaming website I saw was commenting on how brave and noble she was to be taking a stand against mysoginy and how it was only sexist woman haters who couldn't like her videos. I even got banned from one site for criticising her video on the Rugrats. Apparently saying Betty is a good character and not a feminist caricature is sexist. Who knew?

[QUOTE=Hobo4President;38721682]AFAIK she has only claimed the people who called her a slut and threatened to rape her are misogynists.[/QUOTE] That would be fine if she and the media didn't she her opposition as only those people.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721729]That would be fine if she and the media didn't she her opposition as only those people.[/QUOTE] when you justify and defend bigots you end up looking like a bigot yourself dude.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721739]when you justify and defend bigots you end up looking like a bigot yourself dude.[/QUOTE] I never justified and defended bigots. I am saying Anita is full of crap and many people hate her for good and rational reasons. It would be like if I started calling everyone a misandrist for not agreeing with me.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721760]I never justified and defended bigots. I am saying Anita is full of crap and people hate her for good and rational reasons.[/QUOTE] your saying that the people who said they want to rape her, kill her, etc. are rational? [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721703]it makes sense that she would get back lash. .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721772]your saying that the people who said they want to rape her, kill her, etc. are rational?[/QUOTE] I didn't realize the only people who were against her were rapist and if she was a man and said the same stuff people would still be against him and say the same things.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721781]I didn't realize the only people who were against her were rapist.[/QUOTE] i implied the violent backlash against her wasn't reasonable and you said she should have expected the backlash what part of this dont you understand

[QUOTE=mooman1080;38720843]The hatred is sexist in nature, but sexism is not the cause of the hatred it self.[/QUOTE] That's not really how it works. The type of people who send rape threats and make video games about beating women don't just suddenly become misogynists because a woman said something they don't like. Those bigotries and resentments are there to begin with--a normal, not violently sexist person doesn't think to send rape threats and call a woman a whore because they disagree with her. [QUOTE=Aman VII;38720624]She also seems to think any attack against her is instantly misogyny. People can genuinely not like you as a person, doesn't have to do with your gender[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Aman VII;38720591]She's actually kind of cute too bad she obsessives over her gender and is a raging feminist, total boner killer.[/QUOTE] Yeah dude gender has nothing to do with it I'm sure if she was a dude you'd similarly talk about how cute he was and it was a shame his opinions ruined your ability to jerk it to him. Well argued.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721729]That would be fine if she and the media didn't she her opposition as only those people.[/QUOTE] If it was only like 10 people on 4chan and everyone else critiqued her work in an orderly fashion and condemned the attacks then I'd be inclined to agree with you but the scale was so much bigger.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721786]i implied the violent backlash against her wasn't reasonable and you said she should have expected the backlash what part of this dont you understand[/QUOTE] I am saying she got the backlash because of what she said not because she is a woman. You realize people make threats all the time on the internet right and it isn't based on their gender. [editline]5th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Hobo4President;38721791]If it was only like 10 people on 4chan and everyone else critiqued her work in an orderly fashion and condemned the attacks then I'd be inclined to agree with you but the scale was so much bigger.[/QUOTE] Most people who are against her are critiquing her work. You seriously don't expect some people on 4chan to make rude images?

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721792]I am saying she got the backlash because of what she said not because she is a woman. You realize people make threats all the time on the internet right and it isn't based on their gender.[/QUOTE] the outrage over this ordeal was so much worse because it was feminist in nature. [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] if this was someone reviewing games for fun on their kickstarter would it have gotten the same backlash from the video game community? if someone was investigating political messages in video games would their kickstarter have gotten the same backlash?

I still want to see her make a video over this all, so I can finally see what she's going on about with the tropes. Because I guarantee they're mostly bullshit.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721804]the outrage over this ordeal was so much worse because it was feminist in nature.[/QUOTE] Or maybe the outrage was because she was wrong. There are many feminists and many people who critique videogames and how gender and race are used in videogames. Hell even I do it sometimes.

by the way this: [img]http://www.gameranx.com/img/12-Jul/beat-up-anita-sarkeesian.png[/img] is not legitimate criticism and i dont see why you are saying that she deserved this sort of shit or should have expected it

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721804]if this was someone reviewing games for fun on their kickstarter would it have gotten the same backlash from the video game community? if someone was investigating political messages in video games would their kickstarter have gotten the same backlash?[/QUOTE] If they were wrong they would. This stuff happens on the internet all the time. I can give so many examples where people got high levels of backlash because they were full of shit.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721826]Or maybe the outrage was because she was wrong. There are many feminists and many people who critique videogames and how gender and race are used in videogames. Hell even I do it sometimes.[/QUOTE] yea ok all these people calling her cunts are really giving deep intellectual insight into how her feminist views are flawed.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721832]by the way this: [img]http://www.gameranx.com/img/12-Jul/beat-up-anita-sarkeesian.png[/img] is not legitimate criticism and i dont see why you are saying that she deserved this sort of shit or should have expected it[/QUOTE] And again like I have said from the beginning there are people who actually do use legitimate criticisms. You know when bush was president there were many beat up bush games on the internet. Does that mean people who were against bush were wrong? [editline]5th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;38721841]yea ok all these people calling her cunts are really giving deep intellectual insight into how her feminist views are flawed.[/QUOTE] You realize that the people calling her cunts aren't the only people against her right? You realize there will be people calling anyone they don't like names. Does this mean that the position is wrong?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38721430]haha! nice dude! now follow up with more boner jokes and you'll enter the fp hall of comedy fame [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] can i send you a list of celebs and have you let me know if you find them cute because its very interesting and everyone cares[/QUOTE] I'll heed your title as forewarning

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721846]And again like I have said from the beginning there are people who actually do use legitimate criticisms. You know when bush was president there were many beat up bush games on the internet. Does that mean people who were against bush were wrong?[/QUOTE] do i need to draw a fucking diagram for you? im talking about the violent threats made against this woman and your talking about it as if she should have expected it or it was somehow justified "because she was wrong" and bush was fucking president of the usa, sarkeesian is a relative nobody who only got famous because of the misogyny of the video game community.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721866]do i need to draw a fucking diagram for you? im talking about the violent threats made against this woman and your talking about it as if she should have expected it or it was somehow justified "because she was wrong"[/QUOTE]And I am saying violent threats happen all the time on the internet and that people are using it as an argument against her opposition and that is wrong.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721866] and bush was fucking president of the usa, sarkeesian is a relative nobody who only got famous because of the misogyny of the video game community.[/QUOTE] So?

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721891]And I am saying violent threats happen all the time on the internet and that people are using it as an argument against her opposition and that is wrong.[/QUOTE] [b]no one[/b] has used it against her opposition people have only been using it against violent bigots who have to cause a huge shitstorm whenever a feminist makes a kickstarter project.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721903][b]no one[/b] has used it against her opposition [/QUOTE] Yes they have. Have you seen the many articles labeling her opposition as simply that. Even she does that. She takes the worst of her opposition and uses it to generalize all the people against her instead of acting like an adult and actually debating her side.