Anita Sarkeesian - TEDxWomen 2012 - General

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38721899]So?[/QUOTE] the motivations are different because people had to actively seek out and organize against sarkeesian. bush and obama videos pop up all the time because of how prevalent these figures are/were in our society. it's like if my whole town decided to start writing on message boards and make flash games about my next door neighbor no one else knows about. you can't compare it with a bush game because the situation is totally different [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721915]Yes they have. Have you seen the many articles labeling her opposition as simply that. Even she does that. She takes the worst of her opposition and uses it to generalize all the people against her instead of acting like an adult and actually debating her side.[/QUOTE] where does she do that? what articles do that?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721916]the motivations are different because people had to actively seek out and organize against sarkeesian. bush and obama videos pop up all the time because of how prevalent these figures are/were in our society. it's like if my whole town decided to start writing on message boards and make flash games about my next door neighbor no one else knows about. you can't compare it with a bush game because the situation is totally different [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] where does she do that? what articles do that?[/QUOTE] Do you mean that just because they're more prevelant than others they're allowed to be more open to criticism? I mean, both Bush and Obama recieved their fair share of death threats and hate. It sounds like you're implying that they don't really matter while the Sark-meister does

[QUOTE=Aman VII;38721855]I'll heed your title as forewarning[/QUOTE] that doesn't make any sense at all but at least you're trying

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721916]where does she do that? what articles do that?[/QUOTE] [url]http://kotaku.com/5917623/awful-things-happen-when-you-try-to-make-a-video-about-video-game-stereotypes[/url] this and there other articles only focus on how horrible her opposition is making her seem like some type of woman just battling horrible people who just hate her for wanting to change something. She does the same and instead of focusing on arguments made against her she talks mainly just the attacks she had against her.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38721949]Do you mean that just because they're more prevelant than others they're allowed to be more open to criticism? I mean, both Bush and Obama recieved their fair share of death threats and hate. It sounds like you're implying that they don't really matter while the Sark-meister does[/QUOTE] yea because the motivation and organization that was required shows a much bigger problem than people making flash games about the president

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721964]yea because the motivation and organization that was required shows a much bigger problem than people making flash games about the president[/QUOTE] You realize the internet does the same about the CEOs of both EA and activision right? You realize the internet does this about many things and only an idiot takes it that seriously.

how is she an anti-sex feminist i've asked this like 20 times and no response is it a dumb question plz help

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721961][url]http://kotaku.com/5917623/awful-things-happen-when-you-try-to-make-a-video-about-video-game-stereotypes[/url] this and there other articles only focus on how horrible her opposition is making her seem like some type of woman just battling horrible people who just hate her for wanting to change something. She does the same and instead of focusing on arguments made against her she talks mainly just the attacks she had against her.[/QUOTE] because the misogynistic hate she received was remarkable. thats why there are articles on it, that's why she is speaking about it. its actually a good fucking thing because that means the genuine criticism [i]isn't[/i] being lumped in with the rest of the vitriol. would you really rather have an article about internet misogyny [i]include[/i] the valid criticisms? [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;38721981]how is she an anti-sex feminist i've asked this like 20 times and no response is it a dumb question plz help[/QUOTE] imasillypiggy knows but he wont tell us i think its a secret [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] i think we arent feminist enuf to know

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721964]yea because the motivation and organization that was required shows a much bigger problem than people making flash games about the president[/QUOTE] Never mind that people legitimately want to KILL the president, there are organized groups that display hate and contempt towards him, while a bunch of nerds are making rape jokes and trolling online about Sarkeesian

[QUOTE=thisispain;38721981]how is she an anti-sex feminist i've asked this like 20 times and no response is it a dumb question plz help[/QUOTE] Heres an example. She criticized bayonetta because it features a female character who acts and dresses sexy while ignoring the fact that it fit in with the rest of the games style and ignoring the fact that the company that made it also makes games with sexy males all the time. She often criticizes females being portrayed without even thinking about why they are or if it belongs or not.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38722011]Heres an example. She criticized bayonetta because it features a female character who acts and dresses sexy while ignoring the fact that it fit in with the rest of the games style and ignoring the fact that the company that made it also makes games with sexy males all the time.[/QUOTE] When you said 'anti-sex' I thought you meant she was against sex not that she is against objectification.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38721999]Never mind that people legitimately want to KILL the president, there are organized groups that display hate and contempt towards him, while a bunch of nerds are making rape jokes and trolling online about Sarkeesian[/QUOTE] Children are starving in Africa therefore we cannot talk about any other world problems ever This has been a public service announcement from Americans For Shitty Deflections

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38721999]Never mind that people legitimately want to KILL the president, there are organized groups that display hate and contempt towards him, while a bunch of nerds are making rape jokes and trolling online about Sarkeesian[/QUOTE] there's anti-obama hate groups, guess we can't complain about ANYTHING until that gets resolved. tell the gays / women / poor to put their shit on hold, we have people who don't like the president!!

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38721982]because the misogynistic hate she received was remarkable. thats why there are articles on it, that's why she is speaking about it. its actually a good fucking thing because that means the genuine criticism [i]isn't[/i] being lumped in with the rest of the vitriol. [/QUOTE] How is it not? If she and the media never talk about real criticism she gets then of course its going to label the opposition as just horrible people. Besides just because someone was made a bad photo of her does not make them misogynist. I have seen thousands of edits the internet hate and saying that its all based on her sex is stupid.

[QUOTE=TH89;38722025]Children are starving in Africa therefore we cannot talk about any other world problems ever This has been a public service announcement from Americans For Shitty Deflections[/QUOTE] I was just arguing against the fact that apparently sarkeesian is more important than anything, they're all equal issues

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38722041]How is it not? If she and the media never talk about real criticism she gets then of course its going to label the opposition as just horrible people. Besides just because someone was made a bad photo of her does not make them misogynist. I have seen thousands of edits the internet hate and saying that its all based on her sex is stupid.[/QUOTE] dude you finally gave me a headache i hope ur happy [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38722045]I was just arguing against the fact that apparently sarkeesian is more important than anything, they're all equal issues[/QUOTE] oh shit its a migraine now

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38722035]there's anti-obama hate groups, guess we can't complain about ANYTHING until that gets resolved. tell the gays / women / poor to put their shit on hold, we have people who don't like the president!![/QUOTE] Stop putting words in my mouth

[QUOTE=Hobo4President;38722024]When you said 'anti-sex' I thought you meant she was against sex not that she is against objectification.[/QUOTE] But there is nothing wrong with how bayonetta is portrayed in her videogame and if she actually played that she would know this. She is against the expression of sex in videogames and that is just bad in my opinion.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38722045]I was just arguing against the fact that apparently sarkeesian is more important than anything, they're all equal issues[/QUOTE] Are you seriously complaining that people are focusing on talking about Anita Sarkeesian in a THREAD ABOUT ANITA SARKEESIAN I want to say so many mean things to you right now

that's what it takes to be an anti-sex feminist??? [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38721703]Oh and yes I have known about pro-sex feminism since I have been one for a while now.[/QUOTE] obviously you don't know shit about pro-sex feminism look sexuality is an extremely complex issue and saying it's just "part of the games style" omits the fact that visuals try to portray something. Bayonetta is an extremely fetishistic game that takes obvious pride in exploiting the lead designer's "perfect woman". saying that you find this objectionable is not ANTI-SEX. are you saying i'm anti-sex because i too find issue with that kind of visual exploitation? because that would be bizarre and i'm pretty sure i couldn't be called anti-sex in any way. my avatar is a reference to one of Bjork's most explicitly sexual videos Bayonetta is mostly stretching the dominatrix femdom as much as possible, whether it's an ironic post-modern exploration or a stark fantasy rooted in fetishistic sexuality is anyone's interpretive guess

[QUOTE=thisispain;38721981]how is she an anti-sex feminist i've asked this like 20 times and no response is it a dumb question plz help[/QUOTE] Probably, and this is just be guessing not being a smartass, because she thinks sexual attraction to women is a fetish and portrayal of a naked woman is inherantly sexist. Why the dumb rating Sanius? I'm only suggesting it as a possibility based on what she has said in her videos.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;38722011] She often criticizes females being portrayed without even thinking about why they are or if it belongs or not.[/QUOTE] k again i disagree with anita on so much but you force me to defend her that's a lie, anyone who's actually seen her videos will know that [editline]5th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Janus Vesta;38722090]Probably, and this is just be guessing not being a smartass, because she thinks sexual attraction to women is a fetish and portrayal of a naked woman is inherantly sexist.[/QUOTE] oh ffs no she does not don't be ridiculous.

[QUOTE=TH89;38722081]Are you seriously complaining that people are focusing on talking about Anita Sarkeesian in a THREAD ABOUT ANITA SARKEESIAN I want to say so many mean things to you right now[/QUOTE] I was just responding to this post: [QUOTE=yawmwen;38721964]yea because the motivation and organization that was required shows a much bigger problem than people making flash games about the president[/QUOTE] Jesus fucking christ on a pogo stick [editline]5th December 2012[/editline] Isn't spamming ratings bannable?

Yeah the whole idea that feminists hate sex and think showing naked women is sexist is hilariously wrong, as evidenced by when you go on tumblr and half the posts by feminist bloggers are porn drawings and gifs [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38722124]I was just responding to this post[/QUOTE] Nobody needs to hear about how we shouldn't be talking about Anita Sarkeesian in an Anita Sarkeesian thread, your responses are unnecessary, unwanted, and unjustifiable.

[QUOTE=thisispain;38722085]that's what it takes to be an anti-sex feminist???[/QUOTE] It is in the way she treats videogames. She hates the expression of it in media and hates the fact that a female character can be open sexually. [quote]Bayonetta is an extremely fetishistic game that takes obvious pride in exploiting the lead designer's "perfect woman".[/quote] You realize bayonetta was designed by a woman right? The character bayonetta is a very strong female character and if you or Anita actually played the game before criticising it you would realize it actually helps her character and makes some interesting character interaction. It might not be the best written videogame ever but I can't actually expect someone who really played the game to think it has any type of anti female message. If anything I would say it has a positive one.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38722060]Stop putting words in my mouth[/QUOTE] there are only 2 ways to interpret your post: - what i said - you have literally no understanding of context and you get upset when people have conversations about specific subjects [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38722124]Isn't spamming ratings bannable?[/QUOTE] there's a difference between rating someone who is consistently bad dumb and just spamming rainbow over pages and pages of a thread

[QUOTE=TH89;38722134]Yeah the whole idea that feminists hate sex and think showing naked women is sexist is hilariously wrong, as evidenced by when you go on tumblr and half the posts by feminist bloggers are porn drawings and gifs [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] Nobody needs to hear about how we shouldn't be talking about Anita Sarkeesian in an Anita Sarkeesian thread, your responses are unnecessary, unwanted, and unjustifiable.[/QUOTE] I wasn't saying we shouldn't be talking about her. I was saying she's just as important as any other issue.

[QUOTE=TH89;38722134]Yeah the whole idea that feminists hate sex and think showing naked women is sexist is hilariously wrong, as evidenced by when you go on tumblr and half the posts by feminist bloggers are porn drawings and gifs[/QUOTE] and hawkeye for some reason

[QUOTE=thisispain;38722096]k again i disagree with anita on so much but you force me to defend her that's a lie, anyone who's actually seen her videos will know that[/QUOTE] Really? So you are telling me she had a good reason to criticize bayonetta without even playing it? So what reason did she have besides seeing a sexy female and hating it simply because it was a sexy female?

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38722124] Isn't spamming ratings bannable?[/QUOTE] It is, but I don't think Dori has managed to pass the threshold for it yet.