[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;50540376]Remember, Kai Leng nearly kills you by dropping you into a bottomless pit. Under the temple to the main god of the Asari. In a city of the most heavily populated world in the galaxy. There's just a bottomless pit there, for some reason.[/QUOTE]
If you want to complain about things that don't make any sense, you'll find a boatload in ME1 as well. Many are related to the ending on the Citadel, but if you just try to think about any part of the game you'll also find things anywhere.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;50540615]If you want to complain about things that don't make any sense, you'll find a boatload in ME1 as well. Many are related to the ending on the Citadel, but if you just try to think about any part of the game you'll also find things anywhere.[/QUOTE]
In the end it's a question of suspension of disbelief. The 3 games were written well enough that you really only started noticing stuff like that didn't fully make sense after reflecting on it, but when you're playing it and are immersed then it's an A+++ experience.
The ending, however, shatters that suspension of disbelief by making the player question their fucking sanity DURING the game.
There is a reason why the the indoctrination ending was pushed so much, because the entire plot of 3 is bafflingly stupid and focuses on contradicting itself constantly.
Seriously fuck the indoctrination theory, that's even more Bologny then most of the insane of game of thrones theories I see daily.
You are totally right it just shows how desperate people got.
Oh don't get me wrong, it's a fucking stupid theory, and is only marginally better than the real ending, but if people trying to tie in-universe logic to your endings, and it [I]still[/I] fails to make sense, than fuck me you've done a bad job.
I don't think it helps that not only was the ending written by Casey Hudson and Mac Walters behind closed doors and planned out on a tiny notepad with like, two directions on it, or that EA gave the game like half the dev time it needed.
[QUOTE=CrossNgen;50540565]The reason for a new galaxy is simple: Bioware knew they blew it all up with the endings and they had no way out of it with either a sequel or a prequel, and Andromeda as far as I can see is them trying to reboot the series while keeping the things people loved about the universe intact while also keeping all of the complicatedly heavy luggage behind.[/QUOTE]
One of the best things about Mass Effect 1 was discovering everything for the first time. How the universe worked, alien species, technology, etc. So on top of what you said, putting ME4 in a new galaxy also allows players to have a similar experience of discovery again. There's gonna be a ton of 'new' stuff to see. I'm all for that. Whether they pull it off remains to be seen, but I'm still looking forward to experiencing it for the first time.
[QUOTE=Tudd;50540821]Seriously fuck the indoctrination theory, that's even more Bologny then most of the insane of game of thrones theories I see daily.
You are totally right it just shows how desperate people got.[/QUOTE]
The worst part was how far off the Death of the Author deep end people went with it and insisted it was real.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;50541822]The worst part was how far off the Death of the Author deep end people went with it and insisted it was real.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean?
[QUOTE=Tudd;50541847]What do you mean?[/QUOTE]
The idea that the intent of the author isn't important to what the "proper" interpretation of something is.
I think the Mass Effect series is the only media in history that's had an ending so bad they had to set the next installment in a completely different galaxy to negate the ending.
[QUOTE=Tudd;50540821]Seriously fuck the indoctrination theory, that's even more Bologny then most of the insane of game of thrones theories I see daily.
You are totally right it just shows how desperate people got.[/QUOTE]
Desperation created a theory for the ending which fits the story and themes better than the real ending.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;50543145]Desperation created a theory for the ending which fits the story and themes better than the real ending.[/QUOTE]
What other things has endings so bad fans needed to contrive elaborate theories to make it work?
Only things I can think of are Mass Effect, Homestuck, and that "darth Jar Jar" theory, though that's not so much to do with the ending.
I think people over react a little with ME3. Sure, bad ending but I was so happy to finally settle the quarian/geth conflict, to cure genophage, to go to the asari homeworld. I think they gave a bad closure to the game as a whole but they did some pretty nice endings to the individual conflicts.
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;50546031]I think people over react a little with ME3. Sure, bad ending but I was so happy to finally settle the quarian/geth conflict, to cure genophage, to go to the asari homeworld. I think they gave a bad closure to the game as a whole but they did some pretty nice endings to the individual conflicts.[/QUOTE]
But I didn't get closure from any of it.
The quarian Geth conflict was resolved really poorly.
The genophage cure was the only real "closure" I got, and even then it was just because Mordin was very well acted
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50546040]But I didn't get closure from any of it.
The quarian Geth conflict was resolved really poorly.
The genophage cure was the only real "closure" I got, and even then it was just because Mordin was very well acted[/QUOTE]
Quarian/Geth conflict is resolved quite well if you don't make peace.
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;50546031]I think people over react a little with ME3. Sure, bad ending but I was so happy to finally settle the quarian/geth conflict, to cure genophage, to go to the asari homeworld. I think they gave a bad closure to the game as a whole but they did some pretty nice endings to the individual conflicts.[/QUOTE]
I spent 5 years and 300 bucks.
the fuck i am overreacting.
Niggas owe me a decent ending. Whether I LIKE it or not is immaterial, but Mac Walters whipping out his dick and spraying NO SHEPARD YOU ARE THE REAPERS and :quotes: on a piece of paper for five literal cents is not a fucking ending and cancelling a geth zombie DLC involving Admiral Xen going all Doctor Doom on motherfuckers to prettify it is also not a fucking ending.
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50546040]But I didn't get closure from any of it.
The quarian Geth conflict was resolved really poorly.
The genophage cure was the only real "closure" I got, and even then it was just because Mordin was very well acted[/QUOTE]
Wrex, Eve
Between the Halo 4 writer being involved as a lead and one of the sides being the "GTA Virtual Rape" lady and then how ME3 and the player response being called entitled....shit man.
Hopes are low.
[QUOTE=Jackald;50534706]I'm [i][b]still[/i][/b] mad about Mass Effect 3.[/QUOTE]
Why? It actually pushed the plot forward unlike Me2 which was the single most pointless game in the whole trilogy.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;50547086]Why? It actually pushed the plot forward unlike Me2 which was the single most pointless game in the whole trilogy.[/QUOTE]
Mass Effect 2 was pretty decent even if it didn't go anywhere, whereas Mass Effect 3 moved it forward into what will assuredly deliver Casey Hudson into the maw of Writer Satan himself at the deepest layer of Writer Hell.
ME2 story didn't add much apart from the characters and even then they recycled the development of characters by making half of them having daddy issues and samey, filler-ish missions. The Collectors felt uneventful
What happened to the Mass Effect thread on Facepunch anyway? This is the most I've seen Facepunch talking about ME in a long time
[QUOTE=RocKRebel;50548715]What happened to the Mass Effect thread on Facepunch anyway? This is the most I've seen Facepunch talking about ME in a long time[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1266638"]It's still open.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Zeos;50541141]Oh don't get me wrong, it's a fucking stupid theory, and is only marginally better than the real ending, but if people trying to tie in-universe logic to your endings, and it [I]still[/I] fails to make sense, than fuck me you've done a bad job.
I don't think it helps that not only was the ending written by Casey Hudson and Mac Walters behind closed doors and planned out on a tiny notepad with like, two directions on it, or that EA gave the game like half the dev time it needed.[/QUOTE]
Indoctrination Theory is infinitely better than the ending we got and will forever be my head canon.
[QUOTE=wewlad;50548915]Indoctrination Theory is infinitely better than the ending we got and will forever be my head canon.[/QUOTE]
Indoctrination Theory is filled with contrived and tenuous connections by people in denial of the game's actual ending; and when it comes down to it, it is less satisfying because it implies that nothing has really happened.
Mass Effect 3 was a disappointment as an ending to an otherwise great series. It had its great moments with its characters, but could have been a lot better in the way it tied things up.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;50548795][URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1266638"]It's still open.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Due in no small part to 27X's ability to debate anything and everything. :what:
In my ending of Mass Effect 3, we don't even get to ME2.
Instead after the attack on the Citadel, Shephard retired and became a politician whose choice of dialog seemed sporadic and he wanted to build a wall against the Reapers. People/Species labeled him racist, but truly they were the racist ones cause he had banged them all.
I never read into the Indoctrination Theory because it seemed it was born from desperation and denial. How did people get around the fact that Shepard was flat out stated to not be indoctrinated several times?
[QUOTE=ThunderCunt;50549023]I never read into the Indoctrination Theory because it seemed it was born from desperation and denial. How did people get around the fact that Shepard was flat out stated to not be indoctrinated several times?[/QUOTE]
That was either his subconscious trying to assert itself against indoctrination! Or, or, or it was the indoctrination trying to persuade him by letting down his guard!
[QUOTE=CrossNgen;50540440]I really liked ME3.[/QUOTE]
Multiplayer is great, I will fight to death and stand by this point. I really hope ME:A co-op is just better of ME3.
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;50548932]Indoctrination Theory is filled with contrived and tenuous connections by people in denial of the game's actual ending; and when it comes down to it, it is less satisfying because it implies that nothing has really happened.
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I wouldn't call it less satisfying.
Which is weird since "it was all basically a dream" should be the worst kind of ending, yet still better than what they came up with lmao
[QUOTE=RocketRacer;50549773]Multiplayer is great, I will fight to death and stand by this point. I really hope ME:A co-op is just better of ME3.[/QUOTE]
Well, the team behind Andromeda is the same team that did the ME3 MP, so that should atleast be as good or better.
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