Comcast tries to rationalise their 1TB data cap - General

There's quite a few people on here that use upwards of 5 terabytes a month, and don't forget about large families.

[QUOTE=_Axel;51185347]If the 1TB data cap is so ~impossible~ to reach, why is there a need for a data cap in the first place?[/QUOTE] As someone has already said, they're planning for the future. Which is funny, in a way, because I'm pretty sure the government pays them to improve their infrastructure each year.

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;51185488]As someone has already said, they're planning for the future. Which is funny, in a way, because I'm pretty sure the government pays them to improve their infrastructure each year.[/QUOTE] If it's subsidized anything like farming, which it probably is, then they pay them to not upgrade anything.

Bitch please. [img]https://puu.sh/rEKjO/0ccfd06d12.png[/img] 2048kb/s per 20 people. Meaning that on a good day, you can maybe get 200kb/s up/down.

[QUOTE=ThePanther;51185372]You download 1TB of data in a few days? Regularly?[/QUOTE] Tbh if he is he probably is part of the problem that makes me feel somewhat sympathetic at times for carriers. Ideally I think charging based on usage wouldn't be terrible, but it'd only be decent if ISPs/Carriers weren't monopolistic cunts.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;51185329]honestly at first i was all "rah rah rah fuck comcast" on this one but then I ended up checking my used data and realized that my household hits, at most, 600 gigs a month - and that's pretty active use. One streams netflix pretty much every night (from approx 6PM until they fall asleep at 1-2AM), the other streams a mix of netflix and anime, and I frequently download games that top 40+ gigs. I'm not saying that I don't have an issue with this, but I definitely have less of an issue with it than I thought I would have. Given that I consider myself a heavy user and I only approach approx 60-70% of this cap, I'm not terribly concerned. The thing that does concern me, however, is the overage fees - instead of just a throttling.[/QUOTE] I'm the same way, I use a lot less than I thought. But I side with the argument that this is bad in terms of the future. What's a large and airy cap now will feel cramped and obnoxious in a few years. 4K streaming is moving in and games are getting bigger. The amount of data the average person uses is just going to grow and grow, and knowing Comcast, I doubt they'll adjust their cap to accommodate unless pushed to do it by a regulation. I actually just happened to come here from a /v/ thread where everyone was talking about Gears of War 4 being 74GB. Someone also mentioned that the new CoD is 130GB. For modern gamers, this cap is already looking a little cramped.

Data caps make perfect sense, in a world where technology isn't as efficient in their usage of server space and in a world where are there are more people than server space.

One can install like 5 minutes of your favourite waste in a terabyte

[QUOTE=Wolverunder;51184674]TEN DOLLARS for fifty fucking gigs? I don't have Comcast, but this still makes me fucking mad.[/QUOTE] here I'm pretty sure the two major ISPs are $1/gb & $3/gb up to a maximum of $100 for overages; $10 for 50gb over the limit is really good for north america standards [b]edit:[/b] we're not talking about overage charges nevermind

You have no idea about bad internet until you've tried Australian internet. I could go on a whole rant about how our current government is actively delaying and fucking about with the previous government's attempt to fix Australia's internet called the National Broadband Network (NBN) because a good number of the higher ups have investments in Telstra, which used to be government owned until it was sold off by the same party in a previous parliament and is the closest thing we have to a comcast, but I'll let this picture do the talking: [IMG]http://puu.sh/rERjP/7ba0cf8957.png[/IMG] I don't live out in the boonies or anything, I only live roughly 6 km (3.7 miles) from the City, Some areas have access to the NBN (mostly rich areas that voted for the current government) and some don't. Do you see that dip at the start? that's a lag spike, I frequently get them in busts and for a few hours I can't do jack shit because I'll get slower than dial-up speeds for minutes before getting a few seconds of regular speed. If by some miracle my area gets on the NBN, I have no fucking idea what system I'll get, if you were lucky and got NBN before the Liberals got in power, you either have Fiber to the Home (FTTH) if you live near a city and have the fastest speeds, or in the country you might have a wireless connection and still have decent speeds. If you get put on now you're ether stuck with Fiber to the Node (FTTN), which was the Liberals shit-brained idea for saving money that actually costs more money, or if your area has it, High Frequency Cable, both of which only have a fucking miserable speed boost compared to FTTH. Oh and guess why the Liberals wanted FTTN? because Telstra owns a lot of the current copper systems and getting rid of them would hurt their investment portfolios, FTTN lets you keep the shitty copper cables in and use an expensive node to connect them all, they frequently break too. Now they're also talking about fibre to the distribution point, which means we'll get fibre cable just untill it reaches the property, just to keep that [B][U]TEEENY BIT[/U][/B] of Telstra bucks in their hands. Fuck the Liberals, I don't even care about politics but they fuck everyone who isn't a baby boomer with 6 empty investment properties over to make a few dollars and get votes (look up negative gearing, it's fucking terrible). I can't wait for their target audience of greedy rich old fucks to die off. [editline]11th October 2016[/editline] Oh I guess I did go on a rant.

Something like fair-use would not work on the US or something? We have no data caps here in the Netherlands (I think all of Europe for that matter) but we do have fair-use, i received a warning when i tipped 5 TB data which was the first warning out of 3, so if i were to hit 5 TB a month 3 times one after the other i would have received a penalty.

I used 2 tb last week, and I wasn't even doing anything illegal.

[QUOTE=darth-veger;51186878]Something like fair-use would not work on the US or something? We have no data caps here in the Netherlands (I think all of Europe for that matter) but we do have fair-use, i received a warning when i tipped 5 TB data which was the first warning out of 3, so if i were to hit 5 TB a month 3 times one after the other i would have received a penalty.[/QUOTE] What the fuck?? Why would you have a fair-use on how much internet you can you use? That's fucking data caping (even though not as extreme as Comcast, but still).

Whenever I hear bullshit like this I feel so bad for you people in the states. Maybe it is because there are laws actually restricting what ISPs (rather companies in general) can do and this country is relatively small but we get gigabit fiber without any data caps at all or anything even close to that and we even get it in the middle of nowhere now. Is it really that hard for them to catch up wi- oh wait this is the backwards-ass states of america we are talking about nvm Sometimes I feel like we are more "free" here with bullshit like this going on in the states... Wtf is "free" about being restricted to only one choice because of monopolies and then that single choice is shit.

So glad I got away from Comcast. I had them down in Florida, and their service is so shit enough as it is. I would get outages a few times a week, and the internet was slow. Way too slow in fact, we were paying for a certain speed a month, roughly 50 MBPS if I remember correctly, and we were only getting about 20. Good luck even trying to get them on the phone either, if it's not regarding upping your bill, you'd have better chances getting a hold of a College's financial center.

[QUOTE=Re1nhardt;51184884]One can dream of 1TB a month here, max available for my region is 500gb a month and I barely even use that with the speeds we get, can't imagine what i'd do with 1TB.[/QUOTE] Currently getting unlimited 5mbit internet. Like I could even hit some data caps with internet this fucking slow. 10/10 government

Want to send my congratulations out to Comcast, as they continue their downward spiral. [media]https://twitter.com/ReportOutage/status/785744799454339072[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/ReportOutage/status/785740256847007744[/media] Huge outage reports for both TV and internet service across the US, with hotspots on the West coast.

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;51186927]What the fuck?? Why would you have a fair-use on how much internet you can you use? That's fucking data caping (even though not as extreme as Comcast, but still).[/QUOTE] Hardly anyone ever gets to it, they only contact you when it is getting a bit too much so you don't lag the entire neighborhood which is something that happen at night a few years ago where i live. Also the cap seems to change because at one point it was at 5 and the other at 8. The warnings expire in a week time

[QUOTE=Whomobile;51186039]You have no idea about bad internet until you've tried Australian internet. I could go on a whole rant about how our current government is actively delaying and fucking about with the previous government's attempt to fix Australia's internet called the National Broadband Network (NBN) because a good number of the higher ups have investments in Telstra, which used to be government owned until it was sold off by the same party in a previous parliament and is the closest thing we have to a comcast, but I'll let this picture do the talking: [IMG]http://puu.sh/rERjP/7ba0cf8957.png[/IMG] I don't live out in the boonies or anything, I only live roughly 6 km (3.7 miles) from the City, Some areas have access to the NBN (mostly rich areas that voted for the current government) and some don't. Do you see that dip at the start? that's a lag spike, I frequently get them in busts and for a few hours I can't do jack shit because I'll get slower than dial-up speeds for minutes before getting a few seconds of regular speed. If by some miracle my area gets on the NBN, I have no fucking idea what system I'll get, if you were lucky and got NBN before the Liberals got in power, you either have Fiber to the Home (FTTH) if you live near a city and have the fastest speeds, or in the country you might have a wireless connection and still have decent speeds. If you get put on now you're ether stuck with Fiber to the Node (FTTN), which was the Liberals shit-brained idea for saving money that actually costs more money, or if your area has it, High Frequency Cable, both of which only have a fucking miserable speed boost compared to FTTH. Oh and guess why the Liberals wanted FTTN? because Telstra owns a lot of the current copper systems and getting rid of them would hurt their investment portfolios, FTTN lets you keep the shitty copper cables in and use an expensive node to connect them all, they frequently break too. Now they're also talking about fibre to the distribution point, which means we'll get fibre cable just untill it reaches the property, just to keep that [B][U]TEEENY BIT[/U][/B] of Telstra bucks in their hands. Fuck the Liberals, I don't even care about politics but they fuck everyone who isn't a baby boomer with 6 empty investment properties over to make a few dollars and get votes (look up negative gearing, it's fucking terrible). I can't wait for their target audience of greedy rich old fucks to die off. [editline]11th October 2016[/editline] Oh I guess I did go on a rant.[/QUOTE] liberal party are literal cancer to the NBN. fuck those guys, i can only get 50mbit max due to my distance to the FTTN we got installed a couple of weeks ago, and most NBN providers only have 25 or 100 megabit plans, no 50, so we have to pay out the ass for double minimum but half maximum speeds, it's a joke, fuck you turnbull [editline]11th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=darth-veger;51187000]Hardly anyone ever gets to it, they only contact you when it is getting a bit too much so you don't lag the entire neighborhood which is something that happen at night a few years ago where i live. Also the cap seems to change because at one point it was at 5 and the other at 8. The warnings expire in a week time[/QUOTE] that doesn't sound that bad, 5tb is a lot of data and in a week? that's a stupid amount of usage, almost a TB a day, but 1tb a month is a joke especially if you have 50mbit+ internet

I have 1TB a month but it's actually easy to manage. How do I do it? By having bad download speeds and even worse upload! - Australian Internet

[QUOTE=daigennki;51186928]Whenever I hear bullshit like this I feel so bad for you people in the states. Maybe it is because there are laws actually restricting what ISPs (rather companies in general) can do and this country is relatively small but we get gigabit fiber without any data caps at all or anything even close to that and we even get it in the middle of nowhere now. Is it really that hard for them to catch up wi- oh wait this is the backwards-ass states of america we are talking about nvm Sometimes I feel like we are more "free" here with bullshit like this going on in the states... Wtf is "free" about being restricted to only one choice because of monopolies and then that single choice is shit.[/QUOTE] The US has a much lower population density than Japan, it's infrastructural is also older in general, meaning fiber wasn't run while rail and road was; these all cause increase in cost. It certainly costs more to deliver data in Japan, I pay 1.6x times as much for data served from Japan. Also try getting your gigabit speed to a US-based provider consistently, you'll see that once data leaves Japan it slows down significantly, confirming my first point.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;51187273]The US has a much lower population density than Japan, it's infrastructural is also older in general, meaning fiber wasn't run while rail and road was; these all cause increase in cost. It certainly costs more to deliver data in Japan, I pay 1.6x times as much for data served from Japan. Also try getting your gigabit speed to a US-based provider consistently, you'll see that once data leaves Japan it slows down significantly, confirming my first point.[/QUOTE] Connections to the US do not really matter especially when services like Steam do have servers in Japan (which are ludicrous speed fast). Even then at times I have gotten more than 100Mbps to the US which is more than enough. And what do you mean when it costs more to deliver data in Japan? We pay less than 6,000 yen ($60?) for the gigabit fiber, which I am sure is cheaper than the expensive yet slow and unstable cable in the states. Of course it will not be as fast as 1Gbps, the fastest I have seen it is about 600Mbps but that is still very fast. And as for the old infrastructure in the states, I am sure they have more than enough money to upgrade it, at least in the more densely populated areas, but again this is America that we are talking about... The real problem is probably the monopoly in many areas, which will likely never end because companies like Comcast can and will step on anybody who tries to create competition.

[QUOTE=Hogie bear;51184460]Why even bother making this video if people are gonna hate it anyway? If they knew this and disabled comments then why make this?[/QUOTE] They can embed the video on their own site and have all surrounding content not be visible.

I'm so glad I live in France where I pay 15 euros/month for unlimited data at 20Mbps. It's not the fastest but it's enough to play games and stream, without any cap.

[QUOTE=daigennki;51187300]Connections to the US do not really matter especially when services like Steam do have servers in Japan (which are ludicrous speed fast). Even then at times I have gotten more than 100Mbps to the US which is more than enough. And what do you mean when it costs more to deliver data in Japan? We pay less than 6,000 yen ($60?) for the gigabit fiber, which I am sure is cheaper than the expensive yet slow and unstable cable in the states. Of course it will not be as fast as 1Gbps, the fastest I have seen it is about 600Mbps but that is still very fast. And as for the old infrastructure in the states, I am sure they have more than enough money to upgrade it, at least in the more densely populated areas, but again this is America that we are talking about... The real problem is probably the monopoly in many areas, which will likely never end because companies like Comcast can and will step on anybody who tries to create competition.[/QUOTE] Point is that once your data has to actually travel distance outside of a heavily populated area, you'll start seeing much lower speeds, like in the US. As for data costing in Japan, if I want to deliver a GiB to someone in Japan, it costs me ~$0.14, while in the US it's ~$0.085.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;51187359]Point is that once your data has to actually travel distance outside of a heavily populated area, you'll start seeing much lower speeds, like in the US. As for data costing in Japan, if I want to deliver a GiB to someone in Japan, it costs me ~$0.14, while in the US it's ~$0.085.[/QUOTE] So you mean connection, for example, from San Francisco to New York? Okay, I understand what you are saying, but still they could spend money on upgrading the backbone but of course they cannot be arsed to do that even though they have the money. I still do not understand the part about one piece of data costing you money, are you talking about plans that are not flat rate?

[QUOTE=daigennki;51187387]So you mean connection, for example, from San Francisco to New York? Okay, I understand what you are saying, but still like I said they could spend money on upgrading the backbone but of course they cannot be arsed to do that even though they have the money. I still do not understand the part about one piece of data costing you money, are you talking about plans that are not flat rate?[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's mainly the point. With high-pop countries and regions (Like the EU) you're naturally going to see much faster speeds and generally lower pricing, most of your traffic is also not going to be going very far. With the US though, you have major population centers VERY far away, suburbs fairly far away from PoPs, etc. Meaning the average price to simply deliver data is higher. This isn't to say it couldn't be better, it certainly could; Comcast could stop fucking its peering partners like Level3 for one, and actually terminate fiber closer to end users, for nominal cost; but why when they can introduce a low data cap?

[QUOTE=Gamerman12;51184457]two questions: do they have a no cap plan for a higher price?[/QUOTE] After 1024GB they will charge you $10 for each chunk of 50GB up until $200. So basically they'll charge you continuously until you use an additional 1TB if my math is right. Or you can preemptively pay $50 per month for unlimited. [QUOTE=Gamerman12;51184457]and did lowering this also lower the price for their, i guess, normal plans? if neither, fuck off comcast.[/QUOTE] No, if you use less than a TB you have no benefits. Prices stay the same. Comcast literally just out of thin air makes an extra $50 off possibly hundreds of thousands of customers.

[QUOTE=Brt5470;51187417]No, if you use less than a TB you have no benefits. Prices stay the same. Comcast literally just out of thin air makes an extra $50 off possibly hundreds of thousands of customers.[/QUOTE] This is the kicker, the least they could do is roll on the savings to conservative bandwidth users.

If you have their economy plan and use LESS THAN FIVE GB per month, you'll get like $5 off your bill or something insane like that.