• A kid donates and thanks a streamer for helping him get through depression. Said streamer then insul
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calling it selfish is always the wrong wording I feel. It's manipulative and demeaning in that it literally places the self interests of everyone else around you at higher priority to your own sense of worth. What does that do? I'd expect a suicidally depressed person to get angrier at the hypothetical people who are now selfishly expecting them to just keep existing with whatever mental or physical demons and disabilities they deal with suicide is not the answer and it's great that they found inspiration to push past it. It's shitty they had reached that point but you, the person who they said was the thing that helped them hang on and push through a dark time in their life, should not go apeshit and specifically call them out like they made the choice to become cripplingly depressed
[QUOTE=LSK;50164342]All I'm saying is see it from the other perspective, no matter what someone is stuck with the pieces regardless of what end of the spectrum you're on. It's a slippery slope, just have a little understanding for everyone involved. Would you tell that to a parent who lost her son/daughter to suicide? When it gets down to it the very least you could do is not be a complete ass to your Twitch subscriber that you've made a real difference to.[/QUOTE] The scenario did not address mental disorders. Unfortunately, there will very likely always be some degree of suffering - the idea I'm arguing is that someone should not be constrained to others when it comes to prolonged, incurable pain. Depression is a whole different ballgame. [quote]Would you tell that to a parent who lost her son/daughter to suicide?[/quote] If the family is involved in that exact scenario I just gave. Depression (the curable/treatable kind)? No, no and nope. [editline]19th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=LSK;50164342] When it gets down to it the very least you could do is not be a complete ass to one of your Twitch subscribers that you've made a real difference to.[/QUOTE] Yes, yes and yep.
I've never gone through depression or anything of the sort, but I have been to counselling because my parents thought I did at some point. I agree this guys POV, but it can't be applied to everything. To me, the person who donated seems like an attention whore as that message is displayed to x amount of viewers and they're expecting the streamer to drop everything and be like "thanks man, means a lot!" or "I'm glad I'm a help!" etc. It would've been much better if the donator sent that message via PM or something less "official" so the streamer could give a more polite response. Behind those insults the streamer gave, he's saying a positive message.
[QUOTE=Exploderguy;50164379]I've never gone through depression or anything of the sort, but I have been to counselling because my parents thought I did at some point. I agree this guys POV, but it can't be applied to everything. To me, the person who donated seems like an attention whore as that message is displayed to x amount of viewers and they're expecting the streamer to drop everything and be like "thanks man, means a lot!" or "I'm glad I'm a help!" etc. It would've been much better if the donator sent that message via PM or something less "official" so the streamer could give a more polite response. Behind those insults the streamer gave, he's saying a positive message.[/QUOTE] This is what I have a problem with more than anything else. The opinion that someone shouldn't be allowed to talk about their depression and their experiences with it, personal or not. People argue to death saying that you shouldn't call it a selfish act, but god forbid the depressed talk about their first hand experiences. I'm not trying to call you out personally don't get me wrong, but this was the main thought behind my other posts. When someone actually talks about it they're usually labeled as an attention whore unless they delve into excruciatingly personal details about why they are the way they are and how exactly they got there. Then again some people are doing it just for attention. Like I said it's a slippery slope and you never really know what's going on, so you shouldn't assume.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;50164152]He's in the middle of a match, it's not really realistic to be at his most sensitive mood.[/QUOTE] doesn't make being a dick any better
[QUOTE=Exploderguy;50164379] [B]Behind those insults the streamer gave, he's saying a positive message.[/B][/QUOTE] No he's not lmao, he's berating this guy and then trying to cover it with "you can help yourself out of it." Why do people think mental diseases are just like make believe or pretend. You wouldn't tell anyone with Cancer to just "get over it, get out of bed and stop whining." Depression literally affects the way you think, the way you feel, the way you act. You can't just willingly control it and tell it to fuck off forever, thats not how it works. You need help, be that support from people or drugs or professional counseling, depression isnt something you just get over, just like any other disease in the world.
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;50164473]Why do people think mental diseases are just like make believe or pretend.[/QUOTE] Tumblr
[QUOTE=Exploderguy;50164379]I've never gone through depression or anything of the sort, but I have been to counselling because my parents thought I did at some point. I agree this guys POV, but it can't be applied to everything. To me, the person who donated seems like an attention whore as that message is displayed to x amount of viewers and they're expecting the streamer to drop everything and be like "thanks man, means a lot!" or "I'm glad I'm a help!" etc. It would've been much better if the donator sent that message via PM or something less "official" so the streamer could give a more polite response. Behind those insults the streamer gave, he's saying a positive message.[/QUOTE] Oh man, I sure feel proud about myself for not saying 5 words and moving on with my game, instead I'll shout for 3 minutes about how you're the actual shitty person and an attention whore, never mind that you seem lonely and don't have much people around for support that you need to tell people online about it, you bitch faggot don't talk me you piece of shit stop bringing people down (not a personal attack on you ok??)
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;50164473]No he's not lmao, he's berating this guy and then trying to cover it with "you can help yourself out of it." Why do people think mental diseases are just like make believe or pretend. You wouldn't tell anyone with Cancer to just "get over it, get out of bed and stop whining." Depression literally affects the way you think, the way you feel, the way you act. You can't just willingly control it and tell it to fuck off forever, thats not how it works. You need help, be that support from people or drugs or professional counseling, depression isnt something you just get over, just like any other disease in the world[/QUOTE] He stated there are plenty of options to overcome it, telling the donator they're stronger than they think they are (1:06). The "fucking good" part at the end of his sentence wasn't needed though. [QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;50164518]Oh man, I sure feel proud about myself for not saying 5 words and moving on with my game, instead I'll shout for 3 minutes about how you're the actual shitty person and an attention whore, never mind that you seem lonely and don't have much people around for support that you need to tell people online about it, you bitch faggot don't talk me you piece of shit stop bringing people down (not a personal attack on you ok??)[/QUOTE] The way he's saying it seems like he's had friends/relatives who've gone through depression and had some similar thougts, and was "touched" at the thought of someone killing themself. He was probably fed up with it all and had to release some steam. As I said before, he really should have put it together more efficiently.
[QUOTE=Exploderguy;50164542] The way he's saying it seems like he's had friends/relatives who've gone through depression and had some similar thougts, and was "touched" at the thought of someone killing themself. He was probably fed up with it all and had to release some steam. As I said before, he really should have put it together more efficiently.[/QUOTE] So he's god damn stupid then, his release of steam probably made the guy who donated feel even worse, and if the guy was an "attention-whore", he gave exactly what he wanted out of him, and destroyed his whole career. What a fucking idiot.
So, I thought that it was slightly reactionary to fire him for putting his foot in his mouth one time, but no, turns out he had a history of being a dick in public. The smite sub-reddit has several examples, as it turns out.
What an asshole. And the way he told his buddy to shut the fuck up over whatever voice chat they were using so he could keep spouting his nonsense was unnecessarily douchey.
[QUOTE=Exploderguy;50164379]I've never gone through depression or anything of the sort, but I have been to counselling because my parents thought I did at some point. I agree this guys POV, but it can't be applied to everything. To me, the person who donated seems like an attention whore as that message is displayed to x amount of viewers and they're expecting the streamer to drop everything and be like "thanks man, means a lot!" or "I'm glad I'm a help!" etc. It would've been much better if the donator sent that message via PM or something less "official" so the streamer could give a more polite response. Behind those insults the streamer gave, he's saying a positive message.[/QUOTE] Which part of his message is positive? The part where he calls a suicidal person who found SMITE to be a positive outlet a stupid selfish asshole? The part where he says suicidal people shouldn't kill themselves only because it would be inconvenient to others? Even if he has such a shitty garbage opinion, how much of an actual social retard does he have to be to publicly rant about it for 5 minutes on stream while employed?
He worded it in the worst way possible but I have to agree with some of his points. I'm not saying that suicidal people are selfish assholes but it [I]absolutely[/I] is going to affect those who care about them. [QUOTE=Jund;50165811] The part where he says suicidal people shouldn't kill themselves only [B]because it would be inconvenient to others?[/B][/QUOTE] I wouldn't call it inconvenient, just very upsetting and emotionally damaging to those who are close to them. If someone I cared about were to commit suicide, I wouldn't call them selfish but I would definitely be upset at them and upset [I]for[/I] them both for taking their life and no longer being part of mine.
[QUOTE=InfectedPotato;50165877]He worded it in the worst way possible but I have to agree with some of his points. I'm not saying that suicidal people are selfish assholes but it [I]absolutely[/I] is going to affect those who care about them. I wouldn't call it inconvenient, just very upsetting and emotionally damaging to those who are close to them. If someone I cared about were to commit suicide, I wouldn't call them selfish but I would definitely be upset at them and upset [I]for[/I] them both for taking their life and no longer being part of mine.[/QUOTE] Yeah but fuck them No one should be alive solely for the sake of it being less burdensome for other people. Guilt tripping suicidal people is incredibly harmful and doesn't do anything but try to steal the pity they're after
[QUOTE=Jund;50165916]Yeah but fuck them No one should be alive solely for the sake of it being less burdensome for other people. Guilt tripping suicidal people is incredibly harmful and doesn't do anything but try to steal the pity they're after[/QUOTE] Maybe "fuck them" is a bit much, but I mostly agree. When my uncle took his life, we were obviously heartbroken, but we also understood why. He'd lived with crippling depression all his life, no hope of a cure, with nothing to ease his pain. We were very upset when it happened, but we can't blame him either. I wouldn't want anyone to live with chronic depression just because I'd miss them.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;50163760]Jesus, did he think for a second this would fly with the company at all.[/QUOTE] Oddly enough, that probably would have been the case if he didn't leave on his own. Brandon has a long history of being a utter dick in his streams, but HiRez never addressed it once mainly because he was also a great caster for Smite pro matches.
calling suicide selfish misses the fucking picture no matter how much you try and butter it up Suicidal people (a lot of the time) are that way because they feel unwanted and like killing themselves would "Make the world a better place" Calling them selfish just confirms what they thought in their eyes. *Never have dealt with suicidal thoughts, I should note*
[quote=article] it's always phrased as "A HIREZ EMPLOYEE SAID..." It's the same way the media spins stories for dramatic effect. tell a much more biased tale of a story than "An individual-" would. [/quote] biased? no. if you are given any sort of title, chances are that you have a reputation to uphold. when you go do something stupid, you make everyone look bad. [QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;50164152]He's in the middle of a match, it's not really realistic to be at his most sensitive mood.[/QUOTE] do you just flip shit and curse/insult whenever someone tries to have a conversation with you while your busy?
He's pulled shit like this to varying degrees for YEARS. So glad he's gone from the community.
[QUOTE=Pythagoras64;50165941]Maybe "fuck them" is a bit much, but I mostly agree. When my uncle took his life, we were obviously heartbroken, but we also understood why. He'd lived with crippling depression all his life, no hope of a cure, with nothing to ease his pain. We were very upset when it happened, but we can't blame him either. I wouldn't want anyone to live with chronic depression just because I'd miss them.[/QUOTE] That's the situation I'm in. My family have pretty much said that they would understand if I decided to kill myself. No cure, no hope. Kinda nice to see someone else was in my situation.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50164507]Tumblr[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say that, mental illnesses have never been taken seriously by a large amount of people. It took my parents almost a decade to accept that I suffered from depression and anxiety, they thought I was just faking it because I wanted excuses to get out of doing stuff. My girlfriend's parents refuse to believe that hurtful comments towards her all her life made her terribly self-conscious and have low self-worth as well.
Wtf is wrong with you guys, this is exactly how a depressed person should be treated. He did absolutely nothing wrong here. He couldve just shat a bunch of words and call it a day but no, he decided that saving this kid was more important than stream or viewers. Thats not something alot of you can do. Ill be watching his streams from now on
What the fuck was the point of this guy getting so damn angry and disdainful at that donor over the whole "suicide is selfish" thing when the donor hadn't even actually killed himself yet? Is him not going through the process of killing himself somehow not enough for the streamer or what?
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;50166157]Wtf is wrong with you guys, this is exactly how a depressed person should be treated. He did absolutely nothing wrong here. He couldve just shat a bunch of words and call it a day but no, he decided that saving this kid was more important than stream or viewers. Thats not something alot of you can do. Ill be watching his streams from now on[/QUOTE] Reinforcing a kid's crippling belief that they are a worthless piece of shit is saving them. [i]Sure[/i]. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
I've played a lot of Smite and I know about DMBrandon. He's an extremely toxic person with a personality/mindset that rivals DSP. This isn't even the first time he's done something like this and always has a non-apology afterwards too.
[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;50166168]Reinforcing a kid's crippling belief that they are a worthless piece of shit is saving them. [i]Sure[/i]. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] In where of the video he calls him blatantly a piece of shit? Ofc i have no clue what im talking about because you dont think i was depressed before. The life we live in requires us to live someone elses life, theres always a price to things and you cant afford killing yourself, its not that easy. Ive been there. Took shitload if pills, went to therapy. In fact hes making the greatest speech ive seen about this topic by far.
he should have just said "i didn't help you, you helped yourself" and ended it at that lol since thats what he wanted to say at the end anyways what an ass
Like even though the depressed ones who go crazy when a guy calls them out on their shit; makes a guy lose his job and constantly send death messages to him, the guy still wont think suicidial because he got the mindset right.
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;50166183]In where of the video he calls him blatantly a piece of shit? Ofc i have no clue what im talking about because you dont think i was depressed before. The life we live in requires us to live someone elses life, theres always a price to things and you cant afford killing yourself, its not that easy. Ive been there. Took shitload if pills, went to therapy. In fact hes making the greatest speech ive seen about this topic by far.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=LaTrefle;50166183]In where of the video he calls him blatantly a piece of shit?[/QUOTE] You've just donated to a guy you look up to and thanked him for helping you through some seriously rough shit. Said guy you look up to rants at you for 5 minutes calling you selfish. How would the kid [i]not[/i] feel like a piece of shit? The fact you've been through depression doesn't mean shit. You got through it, good for you. Others aren't so lucky because [i]depression isn't the same for everybody[/i]. So no, you don't have a fucking clue what this kid is going through.
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