oh boy that one guy who made the company who lives in florida
doesn't he know we have the most batshit gambling law ever
[url]http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2013/0155/BillText/er/PDF[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/09/tech/gaming-gadgets/florida-slot-machine-law/[/url]
[QUOTE]Florida's new, expanded definition of a slot machine includes "any machine or device or system or network of devices" used to play games of chance or skill, which can be activated by not just inserting money, but an "account number, code, or other object or information."[/QUOTE]
Valve's gambling systems have been used by criminal organizations since Day 1, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out if sites like CSGO Lotto are laundering money under the table, and taking a pretty decent percentage cut from it. Seriously, the fact that Valve is planning on adding Bitcoin transactions should show you how much they don't give a shit about gambling. It's only going to get worse and far more scumbaggy as time goes on.
I don't see an issue with this at all, honestly. It's people giving these real world monetary values to virtual items, not Valve. Monetary value that doesn't even translate into actual cash, but more like store credit that can only be spent in one place. And furthermore, it's ridiculous to blame Valve for someone's gambling addiction. It's called self control because it comes from you, not someone else. AND it's completely third party and uses trading of virtual items to bot accounts.
The only actual 'gambling' that IS Valve's fault is the opening of crates, but again you're paying for virtual items, not paying to win cash
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50642418]I don't see an issue with this at all, honestly. It's people giving these real world monetary values to virtual items, not Valve. Monetary value that doesn't even translate into actual cash, but more like store credit that can only be spent in one place. And furthermore, it's ridiculous to blame Valve for someone's gambling addiction. It's called self control because it comes from you, not someone else[/QUOTE]
what about the massive ethical problem that the people making these videos own the site they claim to get "massive winnings" from?
They didn't disclose.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;50641977]Re-posting this from the other thread coz this is something i find super disguting
the fact Valve is so painfully aware of all this and does nothing is disgusting[/QUOTE]
I remember people dumbing CounterTunes video rant about this 'round half a year ago.
Turns out he was mostly right.
[QUOTE=Wii60;50642432]what about the massive ethical problem that the people making these videos own the site they claim to get "massive winnings" from?
They didn't disclose.[/QUOTE]
That's not something Valve should be responsible for though. Say whatever you want about gambling, but lack of disclosure is totally not their field.
Ethan just said things that I wanted to say for years, CSGO gambling is one of the most shadiest and shittiest thing out there with Valve's name, And people have the audacity to just say "But what if it's gambling?" when you have people in this thread complaining about how much money they're spending on this whole stupid thing.
[editline]4th July 2016[/editline]
People don't realize how gambling can affect some people, to you it might be just a "game" that Valve made, but to million and millions of people, it's something otherwise.
i am pleased beyond words to see that the tides are turning against valve's economy. i've hated it from the start, and this may be the beginning of some positive changes.
i genuinely hope that we may see it shut down, or at least revamped, at some point.
If you want you can submit a complaint to the FTC here; [url]https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov[/url]. Internet services > Internet Gambling.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;50642527]i am pleased beyond words to see that the tides are turning against valve's economy. i've hated it from the start, and this may be the beginning of some positive changes.
i genuinely hope that we may see it shut down, or at least revamped, at some point.[/QUOTE]
I have my doubts. Afaik what Valve is doing is not illegal, thus unlikely they will change anything since it prints free money essentially.
Unless the laws change, unlikely Valve will.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;50642527]i am pleased beyond words to see that the tides are turning against valve's economy. i've hated it from the start, and this may be the beginning of some positive changes.
i genuinely hope that we may see it shut down, or at least revamped, at some point.[/QUOTE]
but 500$ hats
I really want to believe this is just Valve being incompetent and not really looking into how slimy these sites really are.
I used to moderately gamble on matches 2 years ago, back when DDOS attacks on matches were a regular thing. The whole CSGO community has been harping on about this shit for years. We all want gambling to go away even if it did help boost the game's popularity ever so slightly. Makes me wonder when something will finally happen.
[editline]4th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50642664]I really want to believe this is just Valve being incompetent and not really looking into how slimy these sites really are.[/QUOTE]
They choose to ignore it, the gambling scene helps drive the marketplace and as a result Valve makes more on fees. I mean, if they wanted to take a stand they would have back when they permanently banned the former iBuyPower lineup from competitive play after the match fixing scandal. They're well aware of gambling's huge presence, they just choose to do nothing outside of banning players involved in fixes.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;50642217]Of course it won't stop CSGO gambling, but perhaps it might be enough to dissuade enough people to make some kind of difference. The main point is though, Valve are doing literally nothing to fix this. They are pretty guilty.[/QUOTE]
Or rather, i'd argue they're not doing anything at this moment because some of the simpler solutions could very easily cause headaches for a larger majority of steam users, like the one you mentioned.
[editline]4th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=krail9;50642281]valve has to blacklist steam login access to these sites, plain and simple.
they are already straddling a very thin line with the crates and marketplace themselves: [U]crates are literally gambling[/U] and the only thing saving them is that it's 'steam dollars' instead of real dollars (anyone can see how dodgy that is when the steam $ can be exchanged for items of real value). they have to show that they definitively do not support this shit
these sites will be a lot less popular if you have to use some dodgy third party trade bot instead of the steam inventory integration[/QUOTE]
This would be a far better solution than to restrict things on steam.
Might be difficult to do in practice, if there really are that many sites.
[url]https://www.babygambles.net/[/url] Gamble with your babies today!
I only opened 2 crates in CSGO and I got a minimal wear Asiimov that was worth 30$. Never touched the shit again cause I knew If I continued I would be in deep shit.
Can't believe H3H3 didn't actually buy babybets dot com forward slash h3h3. Biggest scam I've seen today.
[sp]/sarcasm, this gambling shit is super fucked up and I'm glad he's put a spotlight on it[/sp]
[QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;50642487]I remember people dumbing CounterTunes video rant about this 'round half a year ago.
Turns out he was mostly right.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, a round a year ago I would've thought it was nothing. I didn't know how deep this gambling stuff went until the last 6 months or so
Csgo lottery websites and betting websites are fucking scum, essentially evil in every possible way, however I don't understand why everyone is trying to turn this against Valve, maybe I'm just biased, but here's my view on it.
outside of cases in csgo, dota 2, and tf2 being a form of gambling, in that you pay money to open a case without being guaranteed a particular item within (though you are guarenteed at least some form of item, there's no outright 'lose' scenario in cases) I don't get why people are saying why this falls on valve responsibility wise; especially in regards to them facilitating the websites. Logging into csgo lotto immediately gives me this prompt
[quote][img]http://puu.sh/pPzGF/4262b09964.jpg[/img][/quote]
Could valve disable this on their site? Absolutely. Should they? Also absolutely. But that won't stop additional gambling sites from popping up, and at that point it's no longer something manageable with the current system unless valve stops all third party websites from letting them use steam logins, which will never happen.
Ethan's point about how items are worth a monetary amount is also outright wrong, because valve themselves don't set that, by all means, items could be worth the exact same flat amount. There was a time in trading history back in tf2 when that WAS the case, and that's how it was really always meant to be, unusuals / knives are supposed to be intrinsically worth more, sure, but there's no actual attached $ value, so that kind of protects them in that regard, no matter what could be argued, Valve isn't actually the ones giving value to what's being unboxed, they never actually have.
And even then, the money you get by selling something on the market isn't actually something you can cash out through valve themselves, so, once again, that responsibility of cashing out for real monetary value doesn't fall onto valve from a legal standpoint.
Basically it's all one big fucking mess :s:
And unless someone can manage to find irrefutable proof that Valve themselves are helping these sites exist and facilitating them, then there's no grounds for that lawsuit, and subsequent ones regarding gambling within a game that's rated M+
Who knows maybe after 2 years something might actually get done. I remember when CSGO Lounge was the only betting site around and we all thought that was bad enough. Over time people pretty much got used to gambling being there, even after several campaigns against it. Like the time SirScoots led a crusade against underage betting.
It's not gonna last forever, just like single day fantasy leagues the government will crack down on it eventually. At least the US one will, untaxed revenue of that size is just begging to be shut down. I recall Richard Lewis aptly explaining the reasoning why so many people are taking on these shady gambling site sponsorships is because they know it won't last and they wanna get what they can from it while it's still up.
h3h3Alert
[QUOTE=Thatrandomuser;50642867]
And unless someone can manage to find irrefutable proof that Valve themselves are helping these sites exist and facilitating them, then there's no grounds for that lawsuit, and subsequent ones regarding gambling within a game that's rated M+[/QUOTE]
Apparently there might be a way to prove Valve's association with these sites, through Valve's API. This is from the last thread on the subject
[quote]"You are limited to one hundred thousand (100,000) calls to the Steam Web API per day. Valve may approve higher daily call limits if you adhere to these API Terms of Use."
If you use the steam API more than 100 000 times a day, valve has to manually approve you to use more, it's not unlikely these sites use more than this. If they can prove that these sites received permission to use more than 100 000 calls, they can use it to prove Valve's awareness of such sites.[/quote]
So basically if the gambling website has enough traffic in a day Valve has to come in and manually approve the site for additional log-ins.
This is fucking huge. Sooner or later, Gabe will have to intervene.
[QUOTE=nox;50643026]Apparently there might be a way to prove Valve's association with these sites, through Valve's API. This is from the last thread on the subject
So basically if the gambling website has enough traffic in a day Valve has to come in and manually approve the site for additional log-ins.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps thats why theres so many?
holy shit
[QUOTE=FreddiRox!;50643011]h3h3Alert[/QUOTE]
Except he actually did research and isn't talking about it just so he can fund a popcorn diet like Chemostar.
i think reddit found out this vid exists
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bKH5FKC.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=usaokay;50641971]Whoever thought about crates and ~unusuals~ is an ass.[/QUOTE]
Valve should not be working with him again.
So many of my friends gamble this shit, and supports it with "but I've won a lot of money several times". Wheres that money now? Gambled away of course.
[QUOTE=Treznor;50643414]So many of my friends gamble this shit, and supports it with "but I've won a lot of money several times". Wheres that money now? Gambled away of course.[/QUOTE]
Man im glad im too stingy with money to gamble any of it.
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