• Alien: Covenant | Official Trailer #2
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[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;51892024]How are a dozen or two people supposed to have enough genetic diversity to populate a planet anyway?[/QUOTE] I think the idea is to just establish a colony. Shake and Bake, like Hadley's Hope.
Looks... generic?
The problem with the Alien sequels is that they have no concept of subtlety. Aliens played into it by making it the opposite situation to the first (a small group of civilians against 1 alien vs well trained soldiers against many aliens), but all the other just lean on what came before and point everything out. Ooh, it's Weyland Yutani, bad shit is going to happen. Oh man, is that weird goo? Hey look, it's a xenomorph, let's show it off and make sure everyone gets a good detailed look at it. To make a good Alien film they should look at HOW Alien was presented, rather than just regurgitating what it presented. It should be set up as a cool sci-fi film, one where you get to know the characters over time before anything happens. Hell I'd go as far as to say the audience shouldn't even know they're watching an Alien film until the xenomorphs show up, maybe the more observant fans would see that the ships are similar and the tech is the same, but they shouldn't go around parading Alien iconography everywhere.
[QUOTE=MenteR;51891872]yuck. that cgi alien looked terrible.[/QUOTE] CGI is never final in trailers. @video: It definitely looks better than what the first trailer showed. I just hope the script really delivers because Scott is a good director.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;51891356]the only acid aliens have is their blood resurrection isn't canon[/QUOTE] Alien 3
[QUOTE=27X;51892804]Alien 3[/QUOTE] if blomkamp's alien sequel actually happens both alien 3 and resurrection will be non-canonized.
I've had faith in Ridley Scott up until now but I don't know what he's going for here. For years he repeatedly said that the alien is a tired design, then seemingly got roped into this because Prometheus received mixed reception and the studios funding him need a return investment. Clearly he understands why Alien succeeded so I thought he'd hark back to it and make the creatures scary again. Then came the big action piece where Danny McBride wears a straw hat and says "Ho-lee shit" as bad CGI headbutts his windscreen. So what the fuck.
Hopefully this trailer cut isn't representative of how the film is actually paced. It makes it look like an action flick.
The only question i have with the prequels is "Why?" There wasn't a reason to explain where the Aliens came from and they're scarier without the backstory. [QUOTE=BeardyDuck;51892859]if blomkamp's alien sequel actually happens both alien 3 and resurrection will be non-canonized.[/QUOTE] I have a soft spot for Alien 3. So even if it's no longer canon, I'll still watch it.
[QUOTE=Ithon;51890754]wouldn't an alien use it's acid spit then headbutt?[/QUOTE] The Xenomorph aliens are always a bit different from movie to movie and they usually only seem to have acid blood, unable to spit it. Like in Alien 4 for example, you see they kill one of their own so it's blood melts through a floor so they can escape. They definitely couldn't spit. I think it's implied they did the same trick in Aliens.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;51893392]The Xenomorph aliens are always a bit different from movie to movie and they usually only seem to have acid blood, unable to spit it. Like in Alien 4 for example, you see they kill one of their own so it's blood melts through a floor so they can escape. They definitely couldn't spit. I think it's implied they did the same trick in Aliens.[/QUOTE] The aliens are different from movie to movie because of their hosts and the situation. In Alien you got a single alien which begins to use the crew to grow eggs and bring up a queen/become a queen itself to lay even more eggs without the need of organic bodies. It doesn't feel threatened so it is not aggressive in its approach to take over the ship. Aliens shows us an alien hive with a queen and warriors to defend it. Here you can see the aliens aggressively attacking the space marines, after having learnt that humans have weapons that can kill xenomorphs. They are outnumbering them so rushing them is viable tactic. In Alien 3 the alien is "born" from a animal (dog in theatrical version or cow in assembly cut version) and behaves much more like an animal. This is the first time most film watchers got to know how much genetic mixing up is possible with the alien lifeform. Alien Resurrection goes full retard on a genetic level. Ripley is a mix of human and xenomorph, having claws and acidic blood, while the Alien queen borrows a womb from the human side. The movie was pretty forgetful for me, so I don't know where the eggs for the other aliens came from, maybe Ripley laid them? The alien queen couldn't because she has a womb or whatever. So these aliens might also have inherited the way of spitting. I can't remember. When I hear the name of the movie, the only thing that pops up in my mind is this: [IMG]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6a/00/54/6a00549a552fba74c52d5dd8cf768f92.jpg[/IMG] Mister Vagina.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;51892049]Within the space of 200 years we went from the Musket to metallic cartridges and breech-loaders, to the bolt-action, to semi/automatics. Technological advancement is exponential. When it's meant to be the late 21st/early 22nd century, suspension of disbelief goes out the window when they're using an already 60-year old design, which wouldn't be too bad if it weren't one of, if not the most iconic firearm in history. At least in the Aug's case it's relatively obscure and can be easily dressed up to look even more futuristic than it already does, but they didn't even try, just slapped on more rails and an ACOG.[/QUOTE] Fair enough, the AR variant is a bit goofy. I like the AUG look, but like you said the acog could be a bit different. But I digress, I'm curious to see how weapons will change in 80 years. I mean, at some point I think we'll hit a wall with advances in actual bullet firing rifles, right?
[QUOTE=TerrorShield;51891410]honestly sounds like they used kazoos in the background music also still waiting for: [t]http://i.imgur.com/N9FU2Ve.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] I think this would make for at least a pretty cool handful of scenes, you could have the controlled xenomorph fight another, maybe later the headset thing malfunctions and it goes berserk and attacks the crew etc. there's some potential for at least [i]something[/i] we haven't already seen.
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;51893144]I've had faith in Ridley Scott up until now but I don't know what he's going for here. For years he repeatedly said that the alien is a tired design, then seemingly got roped into this because Prometheus received mixed reception and the studios funding him need a return investment. Clearly he understands why Alien succeeded so I thought he'd hark back to it and make the creatures scary again. Then came the big action piece where Danny McBride wears a straw hat and says "Ho-lee shit" as bad CGI headbutts his windscreen. So what the fuck.[/QUOTE] I think he's trying to harken moreso to Aliens than Alien. Like, Prometheus was very clearly trying to recapture that Alien feel; you had the sinister android, the company doublecross, the derelect ship, the last girl chase at the end, the whole exploration scene, that "BWOOOOAAAAHHH" sound in the trailers, etc. And now in the follow-up we have multiple creatures, more guns, and more agile "crawling all over the walls" monsters than the first one. Also Prometheus was bogged down by trying too hard to be deep and mysterious, so the studio probably mandated that a sequel would need 200% more xenomorphs and action sequences. [editline]1st March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=New Cidem;51895018]I think this would make for at least a pretty cool handful of scenes, you could have the controlled xenomorph fight another, maybe later the headset thing malfunctions and it goes berserk and attacks the crew etc. there's some potential for at least [i]something[/i] we haven't already seen.[/QUOTE] I'd kinda like to see them pull a Jurassic World, where we almost stop being afraid of the xenos since they're "under control", but then shit malfunctions and they become more brutal and terrifying than ever. Like a trusty family dog who goes mad from rabies and tears apart a toddler.
let me guess, Elizabeth Shaw crashed her stolen engineer spaceship on that planet and she had to grow crops (wheat) to survive.
[QUOTE=meppers;51895325]let me guess, Elizabeth Shaw crashed her stolen engineer spaceship on that planet and she had to grow crops (wheat) to survive.[/QUOTE] Given that's covered with fields and trees, I think it's more likely to have been terraformed by Engineers.
So from what i'm seeing of fan reactions so far: Prometheus: "OMG NOT ENOUGH ALIENS WAH WAH WAH!" Covenant: "OMG ALIENS ALL WRONG!! TOO MUCH ALIENS!"
[QUOTE=TerrorShield;51891410]honestly sounds like they used kazoos in the background music also still waiting for: [t]http://i.imgur.com/N9FU2Ve.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Looks pretty stupid to be honest.
[QUOTE=Source;51896225]So from what i'm seeing of fan reactions so far: Prometheus: "OMG NOT ENOUGH ALIENS WAH WAH WAH!" Covenant: "OMG ALIENS ALL WRONG!! TOO MUCH ALIENS!"[/QUOTE] Uh, Prometheus was just fucking retarded, lack of aliens makes no difference.
I just want another movie with colonial marines. This one just seems to be more of Prometheus.
[QUOTE=Source;51896225]So from what i'm seeing of fan reactions so far: Prometheus: "OMG NOT ENOUGH ALIENS WAH WAH WAH!" Covenant: "OMG ALIENS ALL WRONG!! TOO MUCH ALIENS!"[/QUOTE] "I can't believe that people wanted aliens in a movie that was supposed to expand alien's universe" "I can't believe people might not like when a movie with aliens takes a different approach to them than the originals"
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;51892049]Within the space of 200 years we went from the Musket to metallic cartridges and breech-loaders, to the bolt-action, to semi/automatics. Technological advancement is exponential. When it's meant to be the late 21st/early 22nd century, suspension of disbelief goes out the window when they're using an already 60-year old design, which wouldn't be too bad if it weren't one of, if not the most iconic firearm in history. At least in the Aug's case it's relatively obscure and can be easily dressed up to look even more futuristic than it already does, but they didn't even try, just slapped on more rails and an ACOG.[/QUOTE] whoever heard of using an ancient gun design right guys [thumb]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/M1911A1.png/300px-M1911A1.png[/thumb] completely impractical
The marketing of this film screams "Prometheus, but with Aliens this time... remember ALIENS?". Elizabeth Shaw interacting with an Engineer Society (possible Alien involvement) would have been a creative opportunity with a decent writer. All I see is Alien with modern tropes and no character. How real did Alien feel honestly? You had no idea who the lead character/actor was, no guns, no merry sues, working class characters on an industrial station just doing their job. Every scene was tense because no one seemed immune to death, no plot armor. A moment of that Covenant trailer shows what is clearly a Ripley clone ab sailing from a crashing air ship shooting an assault rifle with one arm. I'm whinging about this but, I'll likely go pay money and see this Soft Sequel Sea-boot Reboot Prequel because "Fuck You It's Year" - RLM.
[QUOTE=Gar;51896252]Uh, Prometheus was just fucking retarded, lack of aliens makes no difference.[/QUOTE] I don't know. There were some retarded sequences (thanks to the script) but it did a lot of things correctly.
i don't get this nitpicking about the weapons. for starters, this is a colony ship. since when did colony ships have anything hi-tech? second, the pulse rifles you see in aliens haven't even been made yet (m41a pulse rifles were produced in the late 22nd century, covenant takes place roughly ~2090-2100) even the m41a rifles were outdated by the time aliens takes place [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] hell, hudson has an ithaca 37 in aliens, 250 years since it was first produced in terms of when aliens takes place
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;51898692]i don't get this nitpicking about the weapons. for starters, this is a colony ship. since when did colony ships have anything hi-tech? second, the pulse rifles you see in aliens haven't even been made yet (m41a pulse rifles were produced in the late 22nd century, covenant takes place roughly ~2090-2100) even the m41a rifles were outdated by the time aliens takes place [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] hell, hudson has an ithaca 37 in aliens, 250 years since it was first produced in terms of when aliens takes place[/QUOTE] Mainly the fact that they weren't creative with it at all. Could've made up something half-way between the weapons they created for Aliens, and modern firearms, even if it's something that exists and is relatively exotic but dressed up, eg the Kriss Vector which if upscaled, would be especially convincing in that role. That fact lends to the notion this'll be a half-hearted rehash. Even the two guns in Prometheus managed it through use of their colour, futuristic sounds and visual effects; the profile of a shotgun is generic enough in the first place, and the pistol is a real weird looking thing to begin with.
[QUOTE=CrowdControl;51898525]The marketing of this film screams "Prometheus, but with Aliens this time... remember ALIENS?". Elizabeth Shaw interacting with an Engineer Society (possible Alien involvement) would have been a creative opportunity with a decent writer. All I see is Alien with modern tropes and no character. How real did Alien feel honestly? You had no idea who the lead character/actor was, no guns, no merry sues, working class characters on an industrial station just doing their job. Every scene was tense because no one seemed immune to death, no plot armor. A moment of that Covenant trailer shows what is clearly a Ripley clone ab sailing from a crashing air ship shooting an assault rifle with one arm. I'm whinging about this but, I'll likely go pay money and see this Soft Sequel Sea-boot Reboot Prequel because "Fuck You It's Year" - RLM.[/QUOTE] I would laugh so hard if nu-Ripley missed every shot then crashed into the ship's hull.
I enjoyed Prometheus but the scene with the two guys, you know the one, was fucking retarded. They cut the scene where they show that the smaller ones are harmless so that's why they were touching it but knowing that after doesn't change how retarded that was on my first viewing. Fassbender's motivations weren't really all that clear or good either. There wasn't a build up to him becoming that way unless you want to say him being on the ship all alone for years is what made him that way
People should stop looking so closely to potentially dangerous items (Opening organic containers, Alien snakes ETC) If the majority of deaths in a movie seem to be utterly for utterly moronic causes, it's not a great film.
[QUOTE=The Jack;51902225]People should stop looking so closely to potentially dangerous items (Opening organic containers, Alien snakes ETC) If the majority of deaths in a movie seem to be utterly for utterly moronic causes, it's not a great film.[/QUOTE] I like how Aliens subverted that by avoiding the eggs altogether. When they get to Hadley's Hope, everyone's already been facehugged, so there's no drawn out "HUH, LEMME STICK MY FACE IN THIS WIGGLING SPACE PUSTULE" scene. They show up, you're waiting for SOMETHING bad to happen, you get a new chestburst, and then the movie officially begins. [editline]2nd March 2017[/editline] We as the audience already know facehuggers are dangerous, but so do the characters, and that saves a lot of time and bullshit (as well as raises the stakes, since we can connect to them easier).
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