[QUOTE=J!NX;49034708]oh my god, a 5 hour game for 60 dollars?
this game is a fucking [B]joke[/B]
if I'm paying 60 dollars for even an 8 hour game it better be the most compelling experiences of my entire life[/QUOTE]
that's what halo 3 was, I still remember the thread title "Halo 3 - Finish the fight in 5 fucking hours"
[QUOTE=Makol;49034612]And those games are?[/QUOTE]
Basically [I]every game[/I] published before 2004? Halo 2 was the first game that I know of that had map packs. However, the practice did not become common until the 7th console generation.
Map packs, cosmetics, and pay-to-not-grind bullshit has become much more prevalent since publishers realize people will lap that shit up and then thank them for it, but there are still (mostly indie) games that have neither, such as Strike Vector.
[QUOTE=Wii60;49033702]how are card packs that only are used in one single gamemode out of five gamemodes where you can obtain enough points to get a pack for free in like 1-2 games (any gamemode builds up points) grind-tastic dlc.
you get card packs for leveling up in multiplayer, card packs for completing challenges, card packs everywhere for doing anything.
even if you do decide to buy card packs for some inane reason, part of the cost goes directly into the community tournaments and stuff. Your helping the community thrive if you buy a card pack similar to how Dota 2 compendiums work (Buy compendiums/compendium points and get in-game content) but i dont see anyone complaining about the compendium.
if you don't like the idea of req, just don't play warzone. they made it a completely different category in the main menu so you can avoid it all together and you can go play the great halo 5 mp arena content
Also, they opted to do rec packs so they wouldn't have to charge for future map packs.
but y-know, i guess people prefer to fragment the community than to buy stuff that supports the tourney scene and game content creation.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Makol;49034480]Would you rather have paid DLC/map packs that fragment the community instead of [u]completely optional[/u] microtransactions?[/QUOTE]
Here's an idea, how about neither, we shouldn't have to buy cosmetics in games nor should we pay for map packs, reward your players or go on to the next game or expansion.
You're exactly the kind of people companies love to exploit, and you're ruining it for the rest of us.
I spent $6 on the optional packs, way worse than buying a $50 season pass.
Clearly I am being exploited.
[QUOTE=TDocter;49034822]Here's an idea, how about neither, we shouldn't have to buy cosmetics in games nor should we pay for map packs, reward your players or go on to the next game or expansion.
You're exactly the kind of people companies love to exploit, and you're ruining it for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]
haven't spent a single cent except for the game, opened up like 10-15 req packs that i earned from leveling up and completing challenges, a few promo reqs for taking part in halo surveys that improve the game and pre-ordering the game before launch, and got a few gold req packs for free by playing a great game
im so exploited
[QUOTE=Makol;49034480]Would you rather have paid DLC/map packs that fragment the community instead of [u]completely optional[/u] microtransactions?[/QUOTE]
We shouldn't be okay with microtransactions that give players an undeniable advantage or try to entice players into spending $70 for the [I]chance[/I] to get a cosmetic they want.
Sure, they're optional. I'd rather the optional transactions stuck to things like skins, emotes, or animations. Not spawning into battle with an overshield and a goddamn mech.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;49034870]We shouldn't be okay with microtransactions that give players an undeniable advantage or try to entice players into spending $70 for the [I]chance[/I] to get a cosmetic they want.
Sure, they're optional. I'd rather the optional transactions stuck to things like skins, emotes, or animations. Not spawning into battle with an overshield and a goddamn mech.[/QUOTE]
that stuff only appears in warzone
play arena if you dont want that.
they literally put warzone in another section so you don't ever have to look at it.
[QUOTE=Wii60;49034851] [I] got a few gold req packs for free by playing a great game[/QUOTE]
Not everyone will get a good roll when they open packs.
[QUOTE=Wii60;49034880]that stuff only appears in warzone
play arena if you dont want that[/QUOTE]
You're actually telling people not to play an entire gamemode to avoid balance fuckery from microtransactions. Are you serious? [I]How is this not a problem?[/I]
"Don't play this part of the game, it's not a big deal!"
Seriously, what the fuck. The game is already missing staple gamemodes from previous halo games.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;49034900]
You're actually telling people not to play an entire gamemode to avoid balance fuckery from microtransactions. Are you serious? [I]How is this not a problem?[/I][/QUOTE]
because theres 4 other gamemodes that give just as much fun if not more.
its like complaining about mann vs machine in tf2.
There is no RNG in the earning the packs Wii60 mentioned. They're based on completing challenges.
[QUOTE=Makol;49034917]There is no RNG in the earning the packs Wii60 mentioned. They're based on completing challenges.[/QUOTE]
The contents of the packs.
i honestly would agree if the req packs are money only
but they are not. all you gotta do is play a game you love to get more.
it isn't like you gotta spend 10 hours of your life for one pack either. infact during this whole argument i been playing halo 5 and im like 2 games away from a gold pack again.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;49034932]The contents of the packs.[/QUOTE]
Those packs give you emblems and warzone weapons that are relevant to that challenge.
[QUOTE=Wii60;49034916]because theres 4 other gamemodes that give just as much fun if not more.
its like complaining about mann vs machine in tf2.[/QUOTE]
you can still play mvm without paying for it
[QUOTE=J!NX;49034956]you can still play mvm without paying for it[/QUOTE]
not if you want to do a tour of duty, which is the only way to obtain cosmetics in MVM.
the only way to get one is to pay money, unlike req packs which are free.
[QUOTE=Makol;49034945]Those packs give you emblems and warzone weapons that are relevant to that challenge.[/QUOTE]
You can't specifically work towards getting particular armor pieces or weapon skins, everything you get from the packs are random. How is this not bad
[QUOTE=NoobSauce;49034968]You can't specifically work towards getting something like armor pieces or weapon skins, everything you get from the packs are random. How is this not bad[/QUOTE]
That post is about the commendation packs, not the regular REQ packs.
[QUOTE=NoobSauce;49034968]You can't specifically work towards getting particular armor pieces or weapon skins, everything you get from the packs are random. How is this not bad[/QUOTE]
TF2 is random too
the only difference is tf2 doesn't do it in a shit way
if you want a certain item you can EASILY craft for it, or even just trade
i forgot to mention that the stuff hes talking about with overshield tanks don't pop up until super late into warzone because of REQ level limitations.
The Req Video explains it better than i can.
[video=youtube;eN_tD5y6k6s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN_tD5y6k6s[/video]
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[QUOTE=Super Muffin;49034900]Not everyone will get a good roll when they open packs.
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Gold Req Packs are one of the 3 types of req packs you can get
bronze is lowest, silver is middle, gold is highest.
gold is a ton o cards with no restrictions of rarity, silver lot of cards with the highest rarity being rare, bronze is ok amount of cards with the highest rarity being common.
i don't know if you guys finished the video at all but he admits the req system isn't that intrusive as it is right now, and he doesn't have that many bad things to say about it at all other than it's potential to get bad with later games
6/10 with a possibility for a 7/10 isn't that bad tbh considering they gut the campaign mode, no splitscreen, no masterchief, a mediocre story, cutscene boss battle, arguably good multiplayer
no split screen is fucking shit though and most people i know(who are casual halo fans(which was a pretty casual as fuck game from the start)) bought it and returned it, i don't plan on buying it, and some army guys are also upset because split screen halo was literally all they played because of lack of internet(none of these are the majority of people but i know that it's more than just the people i know that are upset about lack of split screen) and the amount of people that are trying to justify the lack of split screen is absolutely disgusting
Remember when Armor Cosmetics were unlocked by playing the game for a while or doing a rare feat with the odd unlock being a pre-order bonus?
Fucking hell, 600 hours or thousands of dollars to get all the unlocks.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;49035315]Remember when Armor Cosmetics were unlocked by committing time or doing a rare feat with the odd unlock being a pre-order bonus?
Fucking hell, 600 hours or thousands of dollars to get all the unlocks.[/QUOTE]
Working with my buddies to unlock all the armor were some of my best memories of Halo 3 :c
Halo Reach's armor system was really cool too. Some of the helmets were unlocked at high ranks so if you saw people with some certain Armor/Helmets you knew for a fact they were long-time players.
I watched a lets play of the story, that's about as close to buying the game I'm gonna get.
[QUOTE=Wii60;49034916]because theres 4 other gamemodes that give just as much fun if not more.
its like complaining about mann vs machine in tf2.[/QUOTE]
thats a terrible example because mann vs machine was the straw that broke the camels back for A LOT of the playerbase
[QUOTE=Wii60;49034880]that stuff only appears in warzone
play arena if you dont want that.
they literally put warzone in another section so you don't ever have to look at it.[/QUOTE]
And miss out on all of the vehicles in the game? Arena is only 5v5 infantry matches on incredibly small maps with poor spawns. Many of the most popular modes in the previous Halo games were ones riddled with vehicles - which you can only use in Warzone, and you can only get randomly from REQ packs. I want Big Team Battle and Action Sack and Team Snipers. Vehicle spawns and proper power weapon spawns and dumb fun. Not getting stomped by a team with 3 tanks that they spawned in and having no one on our team with any power weapon cards to do anything about it
[QUOTE=Wii60;49034880]that stuff only appears in warzone
play arena if you dont want that.
they literally put warzone in another section so you don't ever have to look at it.[/QUOTE]
This problem that I have with this is that I want to play casual, non-ranked, big team battles so that I way I don't have to feel like I'm weighing my team down as much if "m not doing too well that round.
The Req system only introduces random chances for better gear as you go through the game which leads to the snowball effect with the team that has the better RNG winning the rounds while the others are stuck with the default AR and Mag. This doesn't make the game fun, this doesn't add to the game in any meaningful way, it just tells the player "we don't think you've played enough yet, go grind some more."
Honestly with the whole aging community thing, it's totally true. I personally died off halo after 4, i haven't gotten this game on purpose just because im not interested in the fast paced direction that 343 has taken. I'm not picking it up anytime soon.
I prefer the slower days of halo, as opposed to the AW approach of speeding things up, doing ground pounds and having a double jump. It might add to a game but there was a simplicity to Halo 3 that made it so much more enjoyable, the same sort of pace up to reach. Halo 4 was similar but it felt like it was too different with the loadout system, almost alienating. Vehicles were useless because i could constantly just switch to a Plasma Pistol and disable it long enough to pound the shit out of a guy.
[QUOTE=Pandamox;49037245]And miss out on all of the vehicles in the game? Arena is only 5v5 infantry matches on incredibly small maps with poor spawns. Many of the most popular modes in the previous Halo games were ones riddled with vehicles - which you can only use in Warzone, and you can only get randomly from REQ packs. I want Big Team Battle and Action Sack and Team Snipers. Vehicle spawns and proper power weapon spawns and dumb fun. Not getting stomped by a team with 3 tanks that they spawned in and having no one on our team with any power weapon cards to do anything about it[/QUOTE]
Big team battle is coming out next week with 4 forge maps made for the playlist
[url]https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/community/blog-posts/november-sneak-peek[/url]
if you don't want to play warzone, don't. its that simple.
Here's a video of them explaining how Community Forge makers got to use the Halo 5 Forge before it's free December release to make BTB maps
[video=youtube;WVQ4Bp7vlwc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVQ4Bp7vlwc[/video]
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