Motorcycle Robbery Goes Wrong When The Victim Pulls a Gun - General

Man there's always at least one guy that tries to stick up for the robber in these kinda topics :v:

[QUOTE=Kannata;49336869]come on dude the robber started running as soon as he pulled his gun. [B]why do you then have to shoot at him and later get out of the car to probably start chasing him? [/B]wtf[/QUOTE] He never fired a shot at the dude running away. Only 4 shots were fired by him, all directed at the dude with the scooter. Scooter dude might have been unarmed but the driver didn't know and had no way of knowing this. Additionally, you are making assumptions about the driver's intentions and then proceeding to demonize him based solely on [I]your[/I] assumptions. You have no idea what he was going to do upon exiting the vehicle, don't start making shit up to support your point.

I honestly cannot believe the zerosix guy [b]actually[/b] believes a mugger would never shoot/kill you to tie up loose ends. How bloody sheltered can you be? It actually astonished me.

It's pretty interesting that the guy with the gun started running the moment the dude in the car shut the door though, though maybe he saw him going for his own gun. So either his nerve failed him or he was packing an empty weapon.

[QUOTE=Aetna;49336706]You are a gigantic wuss. If someone pulls a gun on me, and I have an opportunity to draw my own, you bet your ass I'm going to and I'm going to unload as fast as I can. You don't fuck around with "maybe" and "probably" and "if" when your life is on the line.[/QUOTE] Sure you would big man. Sure you would.

This thread is... [I]powerful[/I] My inner Buddha is rising to shine upon my world

alright as a last post on the subject I admit that I didn't take into account the fact that this is in brazil, where gun crime is more rampant. I'm from the UK where it simply isn't commonplace (nor are any kind of fatal robberies. weapons are used only as scare tactics apart from in very very rare situations.) a lot of people here are from the US and also have more free gun laws and gun crime is high. I understand that in your own respective countries you'd react differently to how I would. that's fine. that isn't really the main point i want to argue, i'm trying to argue that the guy in the car shot these guys with absolutely no reason to do so. i understand shock is a factor, the area/country is a factor, but from what i can see in the video (and if i personally was in the same shoes as the guy) the robbers posed no threat and shouldn't have been shot. no amount of dumb ratings can make me change my position on that, sorry.

[QUOTE=draugur;49336905]Sure you would big man. Sure you would.[/QUOTE] Better to be willing to fight back and defend yourself at least.

[QUOTE=zerosix;49336619]great idea, shoot and potentially kill some guys that are trying to steal either a) £20 from your wallet and your insured bank card or b) your insured car the gun the robber is using looks like it'd explode rather than shoot too. and it's not like some lowly muggers are actually going to murder you over a car they can probably only shift for a couple of hundred quid anyway[/QUOTE] if there willing to point a gun at you why would bother to worry about there safety,.?!

[QUOTE=zerosix;49336907] that isn't really the main point i want to argue, i'm trying to argue that the guy in the car [B]shot these guys with absolutely no reason to do so[/B]. i understand shock is a factor, the area/country is a factor, but from what i can see in the video (and if i personally was in the same shoes as the guy) the robbers posed no threat and shouldn't have been shot. no amount of dumb ratings can make me change my position on that, sorry.[/QUOTE] I simply don't understand how you can take that position. One of them had a gun, it is entirely possible, especially from the driver's perspective, that the other guy had a gun.

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49336931]if there willing to point a gun at you why would bother to worry about there safety,.?![/QUOTE] Exactly. What if they have a super light trigger and they pull it by accident? I'd rather have killed the guy before he did that, then have him shoot me.

[QUOTE=zerosix;49336907]alright as a last post on the subject I admit that I didn't take into account the fact that this is in brazil, where gun crime is more rampant. I'm from the UK where it simply isn't commonplace (nor are any kind of fatal robberies. weapons are used only as scare tactics apart from in very very rare situations.) a lot of people here are from the US and also have more free gun laws and gun crime is high. I understand that in your own respective countries you'd react differently to how I would. that's fine. that isn't really the main point i want to argue, i'm trying to argue that the guy in the car shot these guys with absolutely no reason to do so. i understand shock is a factor, the area/country is a factor, but from what i can see in the video (and if i personally was in the same shoes as the guy) the robbers posed no threat and shouldn't have been shot. no amount of dumb ratings can make me change my position on that, sorry.[/QUOTE] You still don't get it. There are NO factors. IF someone pulls a gun on you that is reasonable intent to kill you. Whether you want to analyse the situation or not. It doesn't matter where you live. If you get the wrong person who's hopped up on drugs and is mentally unstable, no matter how much analysis of the situation you do they are still a threat to shoot and kill you. It's this kind of childish ignorance that makes people the victim and the assailants successful. Lets face the facts. You're making an opinion based on what you see in a video. Life isn't a video. Things happen in real time and it gives you no chance to think it over and come to your 'logical' conclusions, or read into it like some sort of sherlock holmes detective.

[QUOTE=zerosix;49336907]alright as a last post on the subject I admit that I didn't take into account the fact that this is in brazil, where gun crime is more rampant. I'm from the UK where it simply isn't commonplace (nor are any kind of fatal robberies. weapons are used only as scare tactics apart from in very very rare situations.) a lot of people here are from the US and also have more free gun laws and gun crime is high. I understand that in your own respective countries you'd react differently to how I would. that's fine. that isn't really the main point i want to argue, i'm trying to argue that the guy in the car shot these guys with absolutely no reason to do so. i understand shock is a factor, the area/country is a factor, but from what i can see in the video (and if i personally was in the same shoes as the guy) the robbers posed no threat and shouldn't have been shot. no amount of dumb ratings can make me change my position on that, sorry.[/QUOTE] So I guess police shouldn't shoot at people when criminals draw weapons on them, huh?

[QUOTE=zerosix;49336780]I know. Nobody can say for sure that he was planning on doing so either, but the fact that he was getting out of the car and checking the mirrors while waving the gun out of the window as the guy ran away (also looking at his body language etc) makes [B]me[/B] think that he had intention to. As well as that, the guy on the bike from what I can see on the video was unarmed and was trying to wheel the bike backwards to get away before he got shot.[/QUOTE] I don't see anything wrong with chasing down and shooting them even after they run away. It will teach them a lesson or better yet kill them.

[QUOTE=Buck.;49336993]I don't see anything wrong with chasing down and shooting them even after they run away. It will teach them a lesson or better yet kill them.[/QUOTE] Might save someone else's life too. If they get away and try it again...they might end up actually killing someone.

[QUOTE=Buck.;49336993]I don't see anything wrong with chasing down and shooting them even after they run away. It will teach them a lesson or better yet kill them.[/QUOTE] alright that's just fucked mate

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49337000]Might save someone else's life too. If they get away and try it again...[B]they might end up actually killing someone.[/B][/QUOTE] Probably more likely to do it too, since the mugger just learned that a supposedly unarmed victim could be carrying a pistol. [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=agentfazexx;49336979]So I guess police shouldn't shoot at people when criminals draw weapons on them, huh?[/QUOTE] We've seen enough videos of British police reacting to armed suspects to know how that will go down.

[QUOTE=Buck.;49336993]I don't see anything wrong with chasing down and shooting them even after they run away. It will teach them a lesson or better yet kill them.[/QUOTE] depends on the country, in a place like Brazil, yeah, that's one less criminal, but I mean if it happened elsewhere I'd say at least try to take the other guy into custody. Gotta draw a line somewhere on shooting people you know.

[QUOTE=Buck.;49336993]I don't see anything wrong with chasing down and shooting them even after they run away. It will teach them a lesson or better yet kill them.[/QUOTE] Yeah that is a bit too much. What you do in the heat of the moment and what you do to protect yourself I cannot comment on at all. If you can actually reach for your gun and pull it before the guy does, absolutely go for it. You have every right to defend yourself. If you get shot while you are pulling out your gun, you played with fire and lost but at least you gave it a shot. If you try to de-escalate the situation and give them what they want, that is completely fine too and it is not being fucking [I]spineless[/I] like a lot of idiots claim in this thread. It is reacting in a certain way to a very stressful and rapidly developing situation. Just as you don't know whether the guy is going to shoot you after he has your stuff, you don't know whether he is going to shoot if you make a sudden move so whatever you feel like going with at that point is fine with me. Actively chasing and executing someone who is running away is in no way self defence and it is not your job and I really hope you get tried and sentenced if you actually pull a stunt like that.

[QUOTE=zerosix;49336619]great idea, shoot and potentially kill some guys that are trying to steal either a) £20 from your wallet and your insured bank card or b) your insured car the gun the robber is using looks like it'd explode rather than shoot too. and it's not like some lowly muggers are actually going to murder you over a car they can probably only shift for a couple of hundred quid anyway[/QUOTE] Yes you should just let yourself get robbed and potentially hurt/murdered In a scenario like this, where it boils down to you or him, you should probably save yourself

I wish these guys wouldn't make the entirety of the UK seem like fucking babies who live sheltered lives.

[QUOTE=Buck.;49336993]I don't see anything wrong with chasing down and shooting them even after they run away. It will teach them a lesson or better yet kill them.[/QUOTE] like dude what the fuck I disagree with zerosix entirely and believe that this guy was well within his rights to defend himself from an armed robber, but you dont shoot someone unless they pose a threat to you, ie: are armed and threatening your life someone who is running away isn't a threat and shooting them isnt self-defense, its murder [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] you dont get to decide to kill them because "they might do it again"

[QUOTE=huggybear_13;49337250]I wish these guys wouldn't make the entirety of the UK seem like fucking babies who live sheltered lives.[/QUOTE] Well, you know, here in the UK nobody owns a gun, so robberies are conducted with pez dispensers and soggy dishtowels. Obviously this sets a mandate that nobody ever gets killed or hurt in the UK.

[QUOTE=Fetret;49337072]Yeah that is a bit too much. What you do in the heat of the moment and what you do to protect yourself I cannot comment on at all. If you can actually reach for your gun and pull it before the guy does, absolutely go for it. You have every right to defend yourself. If you get shot while you are pulling out your gun, you played with fire and lost but at least you gave it a shot. If you try to de-escalate the situation and give them what they want, that is completely fine too and it is not being fucking [I]spineless[/I] like a lot of idiots claim in this thread. It is reacting in a certain way to a very stressful and rapidly developing situation. Just as you don't know whether the guy is going to shoot you after he has your stuff, you don't know whether he is going to shoot if you make a sudden move so whatever you feel like going with at that point is fine with me. Actively chasing and executing someone who is running away is in no way self defence and it is not your job and I really hope you get tried and sentenced if you actually pull a stunt like that.[/QUOTE] if anything keeping completely calm and complying requires more guts than panicking and pulling a gun, regardless of which one would be smarter. like sure if everyone did that because they were some kind of deathly cold killing machine then i get where they're coming from, but realistically just as many if not more people would pull a gun mainly because they freaked the fuck out, not because they analyzed the situation in slow-motion completely detached from their own bodies like a T-800 and decided that yes, this was happening exactly as planned

[QUOTE=huggybear_13;49337250]I wish these guys wouldn't make the entirety of the UK seem like fucking babies who live sheltered lives.[/QUOTE] Sometimes I really wonder how these people think everything is perfect and how mr mean nasty person isn't mean and nasty, then again we somehow voted in a conservative party to rule the whole country so that kinda does say everything as of late. [editline].[/editline] Also for the record, for being someone who has had a gun shoved in their face while being robbed, the guy in the video had all right to stand his ground right as he found the chance. While it's clear the guy who had the revolver was scared and likely didn't intend to shoot it, the fucker still had a fucking gun and in the panic very likely could have fired it off. The driver saw the chance to defend himself from two attackers, we saw one with a gun and another on the bike who might have also had a gun, the victim, the driver pulled his own gun and the attacker on foot instantly ran but we have no idea what the guy on the bike was thinking, if he had his own gun and realised what was going on the driver could very likely have been shot. So the driver did what he did in defense, there is nothing to argue about here, he stood his ground when he found the chance.

[QUOTE=Buck.;49336993]I don't see anything wrong with chasing down and shooting them even after they run away. It will teach them a lesson or better yet kill them.[/QUOTE] I agree but that is kind of actually murder. In the eyes of the law, not a good idea.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49337305]Well, you know, here in the UK nobody owns a gun, so robberies are conducted with pez dispensers and soggy dishtowels. Obviously this sets a mandate that nobody ever gets killed or hurt in the UK.[/QUOTE] Sometimes I wish this stereotype was true.

Vigilante justice = best justice. [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] No but really guys, look at my avatar. I'm just being edgy. I don't endorse executing people in any fashion. But honestly if this guy did get out of his car and fire a few shots at the guy escaping I wouldn't care. With adrenaline flowing through your veins you are liable to do just about anything, can't fault him for that. [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] Also the guy that he shot was only the driver, the guy with the gun ran away.

[QUOTE=zerosix;49336631]the guy even gets out of the car as if he's going to chase down and shoot the other cunt what the fuck? he's running away, you can't claim that he even shot them in self defence [editline]17th December 2015[/editline] no there fucking isn't. burglars/muggers/robbers etc use weapons as scare tactics, someone that is breaking into your house/stealing your wallet/car/bike etc for very little monetary gain is not someone that is also planning on just fucking killing you for a laugh[/QUOTE] [url]http://fox8.com/2015/12/08/police-release-video-in-shooting-death-of-akron-pizza-shop-employee/[/url] I'm sure this pizza store employee thought the same thing. He was totally cooperative, handed over the money, and the suspect still shot and killed him. He also attempted to kill another store employee in a separate robbery. Sad you are this ignorant and naive. Criminals are criminals. Not exactly huggable and lovable. If they come pointing guns you better believe they intend to use it. You do not have a second chance to determine whether or not they plan on executing you.

[QUOTE=HkSniper;49337459][URL]http://fox8.com/2015/12/08/police-release-video-in-shooting-death-of-akron-pizza-shop-employee/[/URL] I'm sure this pizza store employee thought the same thing. He was totally cooperative, handed over the money, and the suspect still shot and killed him. He also attempted to kill another store employee in a separate robbery. Sad you are this ignorant and naive. Criminals are criminals. Not exactly huggable and lovable. If they come pointing guns you better believe they intend to use it. You do not have a second chance to determine whether or not they plan on executing you.[/QUOTE] Murderers are murderers and robbers are robbers. Link me some examples of people being mugged at gunpoint and getting away safely in the media? Oh right you can't because it isn't reported, it isn't as interesting to read. I assure you that X times more robberies happen daily where a gun or knife is used only as a scare tactic and nobody gets hurt.