No mosque at ground zero - General

[QUOTE=QQBistro;24484677]"The religion that killed them". What an idiot. (Edit: maybe just an idiotic statement, it seems people here find him reasonable for most of the time aside from this) Pretend Muslims are black people and mosques are black culture centers. That would be some extreme racism that a large amount of Americans would be committing, why is is not considered that when it's a religion?[/QUOTE] I like you, you make good points.

Life would be good if 9/11 never happened.

[QUOTE=Tanner;24474227]No he doesn't.[/QUOTE] Grow a brain, dumbass.

Building a 'mosque' two blocks away from Ground Zero and then opening it at 9/11's 10 year anniversary is just wrong and disrespectful in my opinion.

[QUOTE=kevlar jens;24490866]Building a 'mosque' two blocks away from Ground Zero and then opening it at 9/11's 10 year anniversary is just wrong and disrespectful in my opinion.[/QUOTE] Shaddap dude, muslims want their freedoms and rights too. How dare you say anything bad about them? Prepare to get stoned, WITH STONES

[QUOTE=TropicalV2;24474279]yes he does.[/QUOTE] Actually no he doesn't. He's bringing up the same points that everyone against the Mosque has already brought up.

[QUOTE=Billiam;24491629]Actually no he doesn't. He's bringing up the same points that everyone against the Mosque has already brought up.[/QUOTE] [url]http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=4261036[/url]

This guy makes alot of good points, anyone who says otherwise is ignorant and/or islamic.

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24478989]Pat Condell is a fascist moron[/QUOTE] Truth. [editline]12:46PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Kirrimir;24491917]This guy makes alot of good points, anyone who says otherwise is ignorant and/or islamic.[/QUOTE] Hurrrrr Ad Hominem Durrrrr

The people building this mosque have been offered free land to build it somewhere else, but they refuse because they want it as near ground zero as possible.

The arguments against the community center is utterly silly and weak. [editline]07:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Leintharien;24481672]A very small fraction of the American community bombed Hiroshima too. What's your point? [/QUOTE] The attack was represented by the U.S and was carried out by the head of the U.S 9/11 was carried out by a few extremists for political - not religious reasons who do not represent Islam, nor was it carried out by the "head of Islam".

I just fear for the safety of the Muslims attending the mosque.

[QUOTE=kevlar jens;24490866]Building a 'mosque' two blocks away from Ground Zero and then opening it at 9/11's 10 year anniversary is just wrong and disrespectful in my opinion.[/QUOTE] It's not meant to be a symbol of disrespect. And besides, the building itself [b]IS NOT A GOD DAMN FUCKING MOSQUE[/b]. It's a [u][b]CULINARY SCHOOL/COMMUNITY CENTER[/b][/u]. The top two floors are going to be a Muslim Prayer center (or equivalent,) those top two floors are in no way meant to offend. It is simply meant to show people that Islam and Muslims are not violent, blood thirsty people as portrayed by the media. [QUOTE=Kirrimir;24491917]This guy makes alot of good points, anyone who says otherwise is ignorant and/or islamic.[/QUOTE] You. Yeah, no. Just no.

[QUOTE=Detective P;24476279]I can say Islamification. It's a serious issue, whether you support it or think it's bad or just don't care. Islamification is a off shoot of Islamisation, which is an actual word. It's the process of turning into a follower of Islam- int he sense that he uses it, and is often used, it means the heavy immigration of muslims and the influence they hold in society and over government.[/QUOTE] And the native Christians who want to teach intelligent design in schools are any better? The people who are already here are fucking stupid bastards, how does more fucking stupid fucking bastards matter? [editline]05:26PM[/editline] [QUOTE=The Pretender;24492305]The people building this mosque have been offered free land to build it somewhere else, but they refuse because they want it as near ground zero as possible.[/QUOTE] yes that's the only explanation and if you don't want cameras in your house is because you don't want anyone to know you fuck dog corpses fuck off with that [editline]05:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=splitsticks;24482275]Don't let them build there, and by the same token don't let ANY other religion build there because no matter how you try to justify it, putting a place of worship next to ground zero is just grabbing for attention and cheapens both parties.[/QUOTE] theres already a fucking church there and theres already a mosque three blocks away blow it out your ass, all of you

I don't think these people understand. If it WAS a mockery towards America, then they are just feeding the trolls. If everyone were to ignore it and not try to fuck with the liberties of these Muslim Americans, then there would be no problem. The "evil mocking Muslims" would just be a whisper in the wind. But NOOOOOO. Everybody and their grandma is having a fucking temper tantrum over the bloody building. If the Muslims were trying to mock America, then they'd be pissing their pants in laughter right now.

good god humanity is fucking doomed no species can survive while being this stupid

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24493049]good god humanity is fucking doomed no species can survive while being this stupid[/QUOTE] We should start a small army to overthrow the government.

[QUOTE=QQBistro;24484677]"The religion that killed them". What an idiot. (Edit: maybe just an idiotic statement, it seems people here find him reasonable for most of the time aside from this) Pretend Muslims are black people and mosques are black culture centers. That would be some extreme racism that a large amount of Americans would be committing, why is is not considered that when it's a religion?[/QUOTE] well because religion is voluntary well about as voluntary as you can get when you're a fucking cow designed to follow what your mommy told you and never question it he's still a fucking tard though [editline]05:31PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Viephemeral;24493089]We should start a small army to overthrow the government.[/QUOTE] an army made of fucking stupid people. then we can overthrow the fucking stupid government so we can put another fucking stupid government in place hell it worked for mexico

The more you people bitch about this guy being a racist or anti-religionists, or fascist, the more I seem to like him. to quote myself [QUOTE=Novistador;24476438]It's not bigoted or racist to say that Islam is a vile religion of hate and death. It advocates theocratic totalitarianism and does not recognize the rights of non-Muslims, not to mention being just as life (biological human life) hating and sex fearing (if not more so) than Christianity or Judaism. I find it strange how often Atheist liberals constantly come to the defense of Islam, one of the most repressively religious and conservative ideologies in existence, yet will rant and rant about the evils of Christianity and Judaism. I also find it highly hilarious liberals will defend the mosque on the basis of property rights, considering the fact that liberals( in the socialist sense of the word) have never respected property rights and have actively sought to destroy them. I'd love to see what some of the liberals who defend the mosque on the basis of property rights would have to say on the issue of income tax, anti-trust, emminiate domain, or zoning laws. For the record I am not a religious conservative, or a liberal socialist.[/QUOTE] *as a side note, I just heard the end of the video where he states public opinion is the proper way to deal with the mosque, a point I must dissagre with as one can use public opinion to justify anything, if one were to oppose the most they must do so with reason, and demonstrate objectivly why their suggested actions should be carried out, not juts shout "THE MOB DEMANDS THIS"* I agree with him otherwise though.

I support this guy and what he says, but I imagine that if it were an American who had made this video, then everyone would blindly bash him for being "an intolerant and blind fool". Am I okay for a mosque being built? Yes. Right near where thousands of people were killed in the name of Jihad? No. He made a good point on how they are building mosques on key points in the world of their "masquerade". We shouldn't allow America to be stepped on all over by this but unfortunately the political leaders are trying to play nice and act like they're just being culturally accepting.

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;24493230]I support this guy and what he says, but I imagine that if it were an American who had made this video, then everyone would blindly bash him for being "an intolerant and blind fool". Am I okay for a mosque being built? Yes. Right near where thousands of people were killed in the name of Jihad? No. He made a good point on how they are building mosques on key points in the world of their "masquerade". We shouldn't allow America to be stepped on all over by this but unfortunately the political leaders are trying to play nice and act like they're just being culturally accepting.[/QUOTE] Again. Political leaders can not OVERRIDE THE CONSTITUTION because "somebowy's little feewings got hurt :(" If they did override it, they would have to do it for everyone. That means you can't build a church near elementary schools etc.

[QUOTE=Viephemeral;24494038]Again. Political leaders can not OVERRIDE THE CONSTITUTION because "somebowy's little feewings got hurt :(" If they did override it, they would have to do it for everyone. That means you can't build a church near elementary schools etc.[/QUOTE] Yes, I know this, and it's unfortunate that the construction of it will most likely happen. I was only trying to convey my feelings on how our political leaders were way to passive and lax on the situation, they really should've thought this out more instead of trying to "play nice with all cultures without question." I mean, they're American leaders, right? Shouldn't they be functioning with a mindset to do what's best for the country they're leading?

So are we still stuck on the superficial fantasy that building this is actually a symbolic display of religious freedom in the United States?

[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;24506800]Yes, I know this, and it's unfortunate that the construction of it will most likely happen. I was only trying to convey my feelings on how our political leaders were way to passive and lax on the situation, they really should've thought this out more instead of trying to "play nice with all cultures without question." I mean, they're American leaders, right? Shouldn't they be functioning with a mindset to do what's best for the country they're leading?[/QUOTE] Maybe they don't see anything wrong with it? It's not like if it were a jihad recruiting center/bomb factory. [editline]10:19PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Novistador;24493209]The more you people bitch about this guy being a racist or anti-religionists, or fascist, the more I seem to like him. to quote myself *as a side note, I just heard the end of the video where he states public opinion is the proper way to deal with the mosque, a point I must dissagre with as one can use public opinion to justify anything, if one were to oppose the most they must do so with reason, and demonstrate objectivly why their suggested actions should be carried out, not juts shout "THE MOB DEMANDS THIS"* I agree with him otherwise though.[/Quote] [quote]It does not recognize the rights of non Muslims[/quote] Read Qu'ran 5:69. Sounds slightly more accepting than the other religions.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;24507128]Maybe they don't see anything wrong with it? It's not like if it were a jihad recruiting center/bomb factory.[/QUOTE] Yes, there is a certain credibility to it. I had imagined that the constant public opinion about it being an insult to 9/11 and America would've somehow reached and possibly affected the leaders' thoughts on it, but I guess not. In any case, we won't know what will really be going on in the mosque, and I'm not trying to sound paranoid by saying that, and they most likely will do worshiping as always, but there will always be speculation. One thing that just recently struck my mind, seeing how there was a recent arson attack against a mosque, do you think some people might take illegal action against it? [editline]11:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Novistador;24493209]*as a side note, I just heard the end of the video where he states public opinion is the proper way to deal with the mosque, a point I must dissagre with as one can use public opinion to justify anything, if one were to oppose the most they must do so with reason, and demonstrate objectivly why their suggested actions should be carried out, not juts shout "THE MOB DEMANDS THIS"*[/QUOTE] Democracy is highly based upon public opinion, what the people want. It's how we elect leaders and government officials, it how we decide what propositions should take place, you could almost say it navigates the course of the nation. While it would be a little outlandish to have a vote or hearing on the building of a place of worship, on this special occasion, it may would have been deemed like a justifiable course of action, but I assume the government would follow protocol, and you really can't blame them for that.

There will most likely be another arson, but it won't benefit both sides at all.

you people think this guy has valid points? Jesus christ

[QUOTE=Atchell;24507849]you people think this guy has valid points? Jesus christ[/QUOTE] save me atchell, they are all around us

I didn't see the part where he brought up valid points. All I saw is "Muslims hate everyone else and reject other's rights."

He forgot that Muslims died in 9/11 too. [editline]12:05PM[/editline] And that Islamic spiritual leaders don't support the murder of innocent people.