The only thing cinema sins is good for is background noise when you're working. And even then it'd be out of desperation because you don't have anything else to listen to
[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52887171]And there's people that run people over because they played GTA. If that's not a good comparison then let me know why, and we'll discuss it[/QUOTE]
WHAT?! I'm sorry but is your brain malfunctioning? That sort of line of thinking was a big criticism in the video! You know, about how CinemaSins is damaging film criticism, and as an extent the industry as a whole by spreading misinformation? People watch these videos thinking they're 100% geniune, because they don't use satire properly, which is another point elaborated on extensively in the video, and because of this they base their opinions on the false information presented, because they don't see that it's satire, which in reality it isn't, only the creators said it was in order to make a half-assed defense of the inaccuracies of their videos, [I]which is another big point made in the video that you still refuse to watch fully and make an attempt to understand![/I]
Does this mean it's safe to watch CinemaWins instead
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/CinemaSins/comments/7crrtq/sustaining_stupidity_why_cinemasins_is_terrible/[/url]
[editline]13th November 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=MoopsiePook;52887504]Does this mean it's safe to watch CinemaWins instead[/QUOTE]
It's always been safe to watch CinemaWins
I find it kinda funny how he says CinemaSins is lazy on how they make videos yet if you look at the videos he makes, most of them are hour long gaming streams.
[QUOTE=Geos88;52887553]I find it kinda funny how he says CinemaSins is lazy on how they make videos yet if you look at the videos he makes, most of them are hour long gaming streams.[/QUOTE]
What is an Archive of a Stream
[QUOTE=Geos88;52887553]I find it kinda funny how he says CinemaSins is lazy on how they make videos yet if you look at the videos he makes, most of them are hour long gaming streams.[/QUOTE]
How is that even relevant to the discussion?
Jeez this thread. I thought people used to get banned for posting without watching the OP's video in threads like this.
[QUOTE=Loofiloo;52887579]Jeez this thread. I thought people used to get banned for posting without watching the OP's video in threads like this.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that what that guy got banned for? He didn't watch the the video and came in to blatantly troll
cinemasins is such a jack ass
[QUOTE=Sanjuaro;52887575]How is that even relevant to the discussion?[/QUOTE]
On how he comments on how CinemaSins make their videos? Yeah, this video is well edited and if you look at his views on his Everything Wrong With CinemaSins videos (which are edited nicely) they attract more attention. Either because he is doing battle with a beast like CinemaSins or people actually like how he puts effort in his craft/making a video.
All I am saying he should make more videos like these instead of posting hour long streams when talking about laziness.
god that clip of the dude's own rant in the car is INCREDIBLE. A good rant on the state of media and entertainment on its own, and fucking [I]ludicrous [/I]after going through the rest of this video. I'm glad he played it at both endcaps
[QUOTE=fredstin22;52887617]Don't like it? Don't watch it. Simples.
Meanwhile those who do like it don't need you to tell them why their opinions are wrong.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure it was said in the thread already but, this isn't about watching it or not watching it.
Some people who watch cinema sins think that it's an actual movie review channel that points out flaws in movies, I even thought that the first time I watched it, this can lead viewers into thinking that the movies they criticize are actually bad when there's a lot of times cinema sins will make misleading cuts, or skip over a crucial bit of information that brings context to what their criticizing, this misleads the watchers into either avoiding the movie or passing on this unfair criticism.
Cinemasins makes up sins by intentionally skipping/editing out context misleading viewers who may not know the actually know what's going on, to them the review is pointing out reasons to not waste their time on the movie.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;52887547][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/CinemaSins/comments/7crrtq/sustaining_stupidity_why_cinemasins_is_terrible/[/url][/QUOTE]
[quote]Frankly, I would argue that Cinemasins is good for intellectual stimulation (or whatever the third point was in the video) because it utilizes a unique style of satiric commentary that is foreign to most people. I know people will say that it’s not satire, but... it is. You just have to have the intellectual capacity to understand that what you’re watching isn’t totally serious. I would recommend any of these anti-Cinemasins people to watch the EWW with Cinemasins video just so they can understand how seriously the criticisms in sins videos are meant to be taken (hint: it’s not meant to be taken seriously) P.S. They’re not reviewers, they’re assholes. Why are they bad for serious film criticism if that’s not what they’re doing?[/quote]
"guys they're just assholes its ok and its actually very smart!!!"
[QUOTE=fredstin22;52887617]Don't like it? Don't watch it. Simples.
Meanwhile those who do like it don't need you to tell them why their opinions are wrong.[/QUOTE]
So just never think critically about anything ever then? I mean shit the entire PREMISE of cinemasins is to criticize a film. Is that not allowed to exist either because "film-goers who like a movie don't need you to tell them their opinions are wrong"? What a completely nonsense argument.
[QUOTE=bdd458;52887721]"guys they're just assholes its ok and its actually very smart!!!"
[quote]Frankly, I would argue that Cinemasins is good for intellectual stimulation (or whatever the third point was in the video) because it utilizes a unique style of satiric commentary that is foreign to most people.[/quote][/QUOTE]
To Be Fair, You Have To Have a Very High IQ to Understand CinemaSins
[QUOTE=dai;52887747]To Be Fair, You Have To Have a Very High IQ to Understand CinemaSins[/QUOTE]
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand CinemaSins. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of film satire most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Jeremy’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from lap dances, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike CinemaSins truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in CinemaSinsJeremy’s existential catchphrase “Deus Ex Machima Cliche,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Jeremy’s genius wit unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them.
And yes, by the way, i DO have a CinemaSins tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 sin points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. It's just a joke kiddo.
[QUOTE=fredstin22;52887617]Don't like it? Don't watch it. Simples.
Meanwhile those who do like it don't need you to tell them why their opinions are wrong.[/QUOTE]
Oh I didn't realise everything was immune to criticism with the caveat 'just don't watch it'.
You can't do an essay on why something is bad, just don't watch!
[QUOTE=fredstin22;52887617]Don't like it? Don't watch it. Simples.
Meanwhile those who do like it don't need you to tell them why their opinions are wrong.[/QUOTE]
Facepunch user fredstin22 completely annihilates criticism as a concept in one post, incredible
Are you trying to backtrack your comment by pretending to be retarded?
what was cinemasins trying to do with this statement? it's been bugging me for months and I finally get a thread to ask this in.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/fPo8E1E.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=meppers;52887828]what was cinemasins trying to do with this statement? it's been bugging me for months and I finally get a thread to ask this in.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/fPo8E1E.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I think they misinterpreted the shot, it looks to me like we're in between the star destroyer and the planet, we're looking at the dark side of the destroyer and it creates a black silhouette that they mistake for a shadow.
[QUOTE=meppers;52887828]what was cinemasins trying to do with this statement? it's been bugging me for months and I finally get a thread to ask this in.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/fPo8E1E.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
he thinks it's a shadow of the ship being cast on an entire planet, mocking the physics of how that would have to be to work and that the art directors chose to ignore physics for a cool shadow. Also misconstrues terminology for a solar system as 'galaxy'
[i]it's the ship obscuring our view of the planet because it's close to us[/i]. That's how perspective works, and why we'd see a crisp silhouette at this angle relative to the planet when the light source is clearly off to our side. It's a [i]thematic[/i] visual choice as he tries to also jam in there, yes, but that doesn't excuse fundamentally sucking at understanding what's going on here
Whenever someone mentions CinemaSins I think of this.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/IrwiRNF.png?1[/IMG]
Variations of this thread happen a lot on Facepunch. Guy with opinion A posts with his thoughts. 1 other guy with opinion B posts with a very specific counterpoint.
If guy A is unsuccessful in making a valid argument against it within the next few posts, a hype train begins wherein 20 more people with opinion B make the original poster the Thread villain, which makes that person lash out in self defence.
You know what breeds that self defensive, argumentative impulse? Being a part of a community which consistently makes a game out of attacking people's opinions in a needlessly confrontational manner.
It fosters the belief that each individual user has to fight tooth and nail to justify having opinions, as if the very nature of subjectivity doesn't consistently blur the line between correct and incorrect statements. And pray to god you don't go against the grain! Otherwise the same users which once might have argued alongside you could turn against you instead. It's the most toxic kind of group think imaginable.
I see some people in these threads *acknowledge* the fact that subjectivity exists to a certain extent. But that kind of isn't enough.
We're all both wrong and right about a number of things. Regardless of whether the argument is fact or opinion based, both sides have to agree that vilifying the other person for seeing things differently does nothing but let a hateful, unproductive atmosphere permeate the discussion.
This can only be exacurbated by pointing at those you disagree with and saying "lol, look at this fucko. Being upset that 20 people are treating him with disrespect. What an idiot, who needs feelings?"
Wouldn't you much rather have a discussion where you're feasibly *allowed* to be wrong without fear of such a strong reaction being mounted against you? I usually don't like to make generalisations about how a group of people act, as there's enough individuals here to lend exceptions to the rule. But this happens so frequently that I genuinely wonder if anybody else has been seeing the same patterns.
[QUOTE=Dancingonpie;52887846]Variations of this thread happen a lot on Facepunch. Guy with opinion A posts with his thoughts. 1 other guy with opinion B posts with a very specific counterpoint.
If guy A is unsuccessful in making a valid argument against it within the next few posts, a hype train begins wherein 20 more people with opinion B make the original poster the Thread villain, which makes that person lash out in self defence.
You know what breeds that self defensive, argumentative impulse? Being a part of a community which consistently makes a game out of attacking people's opinions in a needlessly confrontational manner.
It fosters the belief that each individual user has to fight tooth and nail to justify having opinions, as if the very nature of subjectivity doesn't consistently blur the line between correct and incorrect statements. And pray to god you don't go against the grain! Otherwise the same users which once might have argued alongside you could turn against you instead. It's the most toxic kind of group think imaginable.
I see some people in these threads *acknowledge* the fact that subjectivity exists to a certain extent. But that kind of isn't enough.
We're all both wrong and right about a number of things. Regardless of whether the argument is fact or opinion based, both sides have to agree that vilifying the other person for seeing things differently does nothing but let a hateful, unproductive atmosphere permeate the discussion.
This cannot be achieved by pointing at those you disagree with and saying "lol, look at this fucko. Being upset that 20 people are treating him with disrespect. What an idiot, who needs feelings?"
Wouldn't you much rather have a discussion where you're feasibly *allowed* to be wrong without fear
of such a strong reaction being mounted against you?[/QUOTE]
I didn't read this post, but I think you're wrong.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;52887848]I didn't read this post, but I think you're wrong.[/QUOTE]
Heh, Touché.
[QUOTE=Dancingonpie;52887846]Variations of this thread happen a lot on Facepunch. Guy with opinion A posts with his thoughts. 1 other guy with opinion B posts with a very specific counterpoint.
If guy A is unsuccessful in making a valid argument against it within the next few posts, a hype train begins wherein 20 more people with opinion B make the original poster the Thread villain, which makes that person lash out in self defence.
You know what breeds that self defensive, argumentative impulse? Being a part of a community which consistently makes a game out of attacking people's opinions in a needlessly confrontational manner.
It fosters the belief that each individual user has to fight tooth and nail to justify having opinions, as if the very nature of subjectivity doesn't consistently blur the line between correct and incorrect statements. And pray to god you don't go against the grain! Otherwise the same users which once might have argued alongside you could turn against you instead. It's the most toxic kind of group think imaginable.
I see some people in these threads *acknowledge* the fact that subjectivity exists to a certain extent. But that kind of isn't enough.
We're all both wrong and right about a number of things. Regardless of whether the argument is fact or opinion based, both sides have to agree that vilifying the other person for seeing things differently does nothing but let a hateful, unproductive atmosphere permeate the discussion.
This can only be exacurbated by pointing at those you disagree with and saying "lol, look at this fucko. Being upset that 20 people are treating him with disrespect. What an idiot, who needs feelings?"
Wouldn't you much rather have a discussion where you're feasibly *allowed* to be wrong without fear of such a strong reaction being mounted against you? I generally don't like to make generalisations about how a group of people act, as there's enough individuals here to lend exceptions to the rule. But this happens so frequently that I genuinely wonder if anybody else has been seeing the same patterns.[/QUOTE]
He literally did nothing to refute the points brought up and didn't even watch the video. There's the difference there. If you're going to have a diffing opinion that's fine, but you can't come in to threadshit and not even pretend to watch the video (he did later, pretend to watch the video I mean, but it was obvious at that point that he didn't and wasn't going to). Also that only generally happens with something this blatantly stupid, so this and Tudd threads.
[QUOTE=doomkiwi;52887854]He literally did nothing to refute the points brought up and didn't even watch the video. There's the difference there. If you're going to have a diffing opinion that's fine, but you can't come in to threadshit and not even pretend to watch the video. Also that only generally happens with something this blatantly stupid, so this and Tudd threads.[/QUOTE]
See now we're going into the specifics of this particular argument again. It's the attitude of the user base which allows arguments like this to continue snowballing into the state this thread is in now.
Though I respect what you said, I can definetley see how that could be frustrating.
[QUOTE=Dancingonpie;52887863]See now we're going into the specifics of this particular argument again. It's the attitude of the user base which allows arguments like this to continue snowballing into the state this thread is in now.
Though I respect what you said, I can definetley see how that could be frustrating.[/QUOTE]
Specifics are everything in this case though. I would have respected him if he could bring an argument.
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