Nintendo is finished: functional 3DS emulator shown on video - General

[QUOTE=Jeremie. B;46867105]So it really is just a better DS?[/QUOTE] It's a successor. Are you trolling? The PS4 isn't "a better PS3", it's an entirely new device that works differently.

[QUOTE=Jeremie. B;46866898]*yawn* The space thing is getting a bit old, maybe we could like solve world hunger or something before wasting so much money on these useless endeavours.[/QUOTE] Yeah nevermind it's a troll

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;46867122]Pretty sure this guy is trolling you all[/QUOTE] -snip- misread, you mean the dude in this thread. Yeah, you're right.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;46867122]Pretty sure this guy is trolling you all[/QUOTE] Pretending to be retarded is not trolling. It's just being retarded.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;46866523]OOOOOOOOOooooo i would love to play some animal crossing on PC[/QUOTE] You can already do that. There's a Gamecube/Wii emulator called Dolphin that works great. As long as you own the game for the console it's perfectly legit to download the rom and play it. Been having fun with Twilight Princess: [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/IDEMDPF.jpg[/img_thumb] Runs great, and this is with it rendering at 4x the native resolution for some supersampling.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;46867273]You can already do that. There's a Gamecube/Wii emulator called Dolphin that works great. As long as you own the game for the console it's perfectly legit to download the rom and play it. Been having fun with Twilight Princess: [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/IDEMDPF.jpg[/img_thumb] Runs great, and this is with it rendering at 4x the native resolution for some supersampling.[/QUOTE] Do you sincerely think its legal to download ROMS if you own a physical copy of the game? [URL="http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp"]http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.js[/URL]p [quote="Nintendo]There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.[/quote]

[QUOTE=TheTalon;46867273]Runs great, and this is with it rendering at 4x the native resolution for some supersampling.[/QUOTE] It's not really supersampling. It does render at the higher resolution but the biggest effect a higher internal resolution has is to make textures look far better.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46867298]Do you sincerely think its legal to download ROMS if you own a physical copy of the game? [url]http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp[/url][/QUOTE] Legal and being in the right are two things that often conflict. It's very difficult to make a ruling saying "it's okay to pirate if you already own it" since people would go out and buy a copy of the game before they're about to get fucked over but if it was taken to court, it'd probably get thrown out.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;46866656]Now with this emulator out, people have no reason to buy a single Nintendo product ever again, when they can just emulate it all They're [I]doomed[/I][/QUOTE] Yes, now everyone can just whip out their PCs from their back-pockets and play on-the-go, for FREE! THEY'RE DONE! [sp]I re-read this post a few times and the sarcasm isn't obvious. It's there I swear![/sp]

[QUOTE=Korova;46867308]Legal and being in the right are two things that often conflict. It's very difficult to make a ruling saying "it's okay to pirate if you already own it" since people would go out and buy a copy of the game before they're about to get fucked over but if it was taken to court, it'd probably get thrown out.[/QUOTE] Also it would be fairly difficult to prove that the rom/iso you have wasn't a copy you ripped from your own personal copy rather than downloaded. (More so in the case of isos since ripping roms requires special equipment.)

[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;46867311]Yes, now everyone can just whip out their PCs from their back-pockets and play on-the-go, for FREE! THEY'RE DONE! [sp]I re-read this post a few times and the sarcasm isn't obvious. It's there I swear![/sp][/QUOTE] To be fair, once they have a stable Windows version, it's going straight to Android.

[QUOTE=Korova;46867390]To be fair, once they have a stable Windows version, it's going straight to Android.[/QUOTE] Porting from x86 to ARM is not that easy.

[QUOTE=tempotempo;46867393]Porting from x86 to ARM is not that easy.[/QUOTE] Great thing about Citra is that it's all open source so I'm sure there's a team working on it. I wouldn't be surprised if the emulator came to ARM first given the financial incentive.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;46867315]Also it would be fairly difficult to prove that the rom/iso you have wasn't a copy you ripped from your own personal copy rather than downloaded. (More so in the case of isos since ripping roms requires special equipment.)[/QUOTE] Well...[quote=Nintendo]Are game copying devices illegal? Yes. Game copiers enable users to illegally copy video game software onto floppy disks, writeable compact disks or the hard drive of a personal computer. They enable the user to make, play and distribute illegal copies of video game software which violates Nintendo's copyrights and trademarks. These devices also allow for the uploading and downloading of ROMs to and from the Internet. Based upon the functions of these devices, they are illegal. [/quote]

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46867405]Well...[/QUOTE] If that was the case then you couldn't buy rom dumping equipment from a [url=http://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?products_id=36]US-based company[/url]. Also people whose best interest it is to actually know the laws regarding rom dumping have also [url=http://www.zophar.net/articles/FairUseROMs.html]written articles on the legality of dumping roms[/url] as well. Very first paragraph: [QUOTE]I'm getting sick and tired of certain vendors screaming software piracy anytime somebody raises the ugly specter of everyday gamers using cart dumpers on older console videogames. They seem to think we on the emuscene are out to burn them, that we somehow have the means to steal "billions and billions" of dollars from them just because we don't want to play our legitimately purchased games on the original hardware anymore. This is an absolute crock. You want to know something? You want to know the truth behind the practice of dumping ROM cartridges for use with a software emulator? This practice is both ethical and legal.[/QUOTE] [editline]6th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Teddybeer;46867424]My point: Nintendo will always state that on their site because its their best interest to do so, even if your local laws tell a different story.[/QUOTE] There's nothing legally obligating them to say otherwise anyways as far as I know. It's not false advertising since they're not advertising anything. And if simply spreading false information was a valid reason to take something down then there wouldn't be conspiracy sites either.

If you want your game to sell and be timeless, it has to be on a timeless platform (PC) and it has to be available digitally because after a console generation or a couple years of having physical boxes on the shelves, they have to go away at some point. First we need to address bullshit licensing deals. Look at what happened in the recent San Andreas updates, songs were removed because Rockstar wanted to patch the game. That shouldn't happen. Even more recent, Alien: Colonial Marines and AVP 2010 were removed from Steam. I don't know why anyone would want to play either of those titles but it's a bit ridiculous to think that the only way for a new user to play these games is through piracy. I'm all for intellectual property owners having control over their intellectual properties but having time limits on a product's shelf life is bullshit. If I want to buy that Deadpool game released in 2012 in 2030 digitally, I should have that ability without Disney having the ability to tell Steam "you must take off Deadpool from Steam or we'll sue you".

[QUOTE=Alice3173;46867315]Also it would be fairly difficult to prove that the rom/iso you have wasn't a copy you ripped from your own personal copy rather than downloaded. (More so in the case of isos since ripping roms requires special equipment.)[/QUOTE] dumping wii/gcube ISOs actually only requires a wii able to run homebrew - [url]http://wiibrew.org/wiki/CleanRip[/url]

Can we not have this ROMs legal discussion for the umpteenth time please?

10x speed, damn if only it ran like that normally I wanna play cave story 3D dammit. Hopefully Citra ends up being the new no$gba.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;46867487]If that was the case then you couldn't buy rom dumping equipment from a [url=http://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?products_id=36]US-based company[/url]. Also people whose best interest it is to actually know the laws regarding rom dumping have also [url=http://www.zophar.net/articles/FairUseROMs.html]written articles on the legality of dumping roms[/url] as well. Very first paragraph: [editline]6th January 2015[/editline] There's nothing legally obligating them to say otherwise anyways as far as I know. It's not false advertising since they're not advertising anything. And if simply spreading false information was a valid reason to take something down then there wouldn't be conspiracy sites either.[/QUOTE] Since you guys still don't believe me: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROM_image#Copyright[/url] [quote]In some countries, it is legal for an individual to personally make backup copies of a game one owns. Individuals may make backup copies for various reasons, perhaps as insurance against losing the game or as redundancy in the event that the original game's medium becomes unreadable. See the section on ROMs and Preservation. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the personal use of copyrighted material, irrespective of how those copies are made, or in what format they are stored - even if it differs from the original, is non-infringing (Sony v. Universal).[url=http://www.worldofspectrum.org/EmuFAQ2000/EmuFAQ_Y2KAddendum2.htm][5][/url][unreliable source?] Chuck Cochems has put forth the argument that copying a legitimate item of software specifically for personal use with an emulator is legally justifiable under principles established by the Sony v. Universal ruling, particularly with regard to personal use being favorable towards justification under the fair use doctrine.[url=http://www.worldofspectrum.org/EmuFAQ2000/EmuFAQ_Y2KAddendum2.htm][6][/url] Some games companies, such as Nintendo, print warnings inside their game manuals that they do not allow users to make backup or archival copies. Whether these warnings in this specific form can be considered valid contracts or not is legally questionable. For an overview of relevant issues, see user agreement (EULA), shrink wrap contract, clickwrap, Fair Use, Fair Dealing, and DMCA.[/quote] Other articles referenced there: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Universal_City_Studios,_Inc.]Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc.[/url] [QUOTE]Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417 (1984), also known as the “Betamax case”, is a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States which ruled that the making of individual copies of complete television shows for purposes of time shifting does not constitute copyright infringement, but is fair use. The Court also ruled that the manufacturers of home video recording devices, such as Betamax or other VCRs (referred to as VTRs in the case), cannot be liable for infringement. The case was a boon to the home video market as it created a legal safe haven for the technology. Ironically, the popularity of VCRs significantly benefited the film industry through the sale of pre-recorded movies. The broader legal consequence of the Court's decision was its establishment of a general test for determining whether a device with copying or recording capabilities ran afoul of copyright law. This test has created some interpretative challenges to courts in applying the case to more recent file sharing technologies available for use on home computers and over the Internet.[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use]Fair Use[/url] [QUOTE]Examples of fair use include commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, teaching, [B]library archiving[/B] and scholarship. It provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test.[/QUOTE] From my understanding of the fair use bit, rom dumping specifically falls under the library archiving bit. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license#Software_licenses_and_copyright_law]Software Licensing[/url] [QUOTE]n the United States, Section 117 of the Copyright Act gives the owner of a particular copy of software the explicit right to use the software with a computer, even if use of the software with a computer requires the making of incidental copies or adaptations (acts which could otherwise potentially constitute copyright infringement). Therefore, the owner of a copy of computer software is legally entitled to use that copy of software. Hence, if the end-user of software is the owner of the respective copy, then the end-user may legally use the software without a license from the software publisher. As many proprietary "licenses" only enumerate the rights that the user already has under [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_17_of_the_United_States_Code]17 U.S.C.[/url] [url=http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html]§ 117[/url],[citation needed] and yet proclaim to take rights away from the user, these contracts may lack consideration. Proprietary software licenses often proclaim to give software publishers more control over the way their software is used by keeping ownership of each copy of software with the software publisher. By doing so, Section 117 does not apply to the end-user and the software publisher may then compel the end-user to accept all of the terms of the license agreement, many of which may be more restrictive than copyright law alone. The form of the relationship determines if it is a lease or a purchase, for example [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMG_v._Augusto]UMG v. Augusto[/url][url=http://www.eff.org/cases/umg-v-augusto][1][/url] or [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernor_v._Autodesk,_Inc.]Vernor v. Autodesk, Inc.[/url][url=http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2008/05/court-smacks-autodesk-affirms-right-to-sell-used-software/][2][/url][url=http://www.citizen.org/litigation/forms/cases/getlinkforcase.cfm?cID=437][3][/url][/QUOTE] That [url=http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html]§ 117[/url] bit btw specifies this: [QUOTE](a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy.— Notwithstanding the provisions of section [url=http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/106]106[/url], it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided: (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner, or (2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.[/QUOTE] So please, explain to me what there is to disagree with about my claim. [editline]6th January 2015[/editline] Alright InvaderNouga, since you still somehow believe I'm wrong then explain how and why.

Jesus christ who cares, let's just talk about the emulator and how awesome it'll be to play 3DS games at higher resolution when it gets optimized a bit more

[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;46867812]Jesus christ who cares[/QUOTE] Oh, I dunno, anyone who is interested in emulating games maybe? I mean if it's actually illegal then basically everyone in this thread has kinda admitted to breaking the law, no?

It's the same argument as taping a show from TV using your VCR. I'll make a copy of something I paid for for my own use if I damn well please

[QUOTE=Korova;46866481][video=youtube;zF8qBGYrYjA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF8qBGYrYjA#t=149[/video][/QUOTE] I've known this project from the start. It seems like the 3ds getting hacked via that one game helped them speed up development a lot :dance:

[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;46867812]Jesus christ who cares, let's just talk about the emulator and how awesome it'll be to play 3DS games at higher resolution when it gets optimized a bit more[/QUOTE] looking forward to get a more detailed look on the lod popping in smash bros

I said this in the 3DS thread but I hope it eventually runs as well as PPSSPP. [editline]6th January 2015[/editline] I can't wait to see Smash 4 3DS in HD.

[QUOTE=Durrsly;46869349]I said this in the 3DS thread but I hope it eventually runs as well as PPSSPP. [editline]6th January 2015[/editline] I can't wait to see Smash 4 3DS in HD.[/QUOTE]honestly i dont think it'll work quite that way. that said, it might be possible to anti alias the title a bit so larger resolutions look better. edit: another thought occurs as well, why is everyone in such a fit over the right and wrongness of this existing? sure this offers a way to play games for free but in a limited fashion for some. smash bros for example would become a single player game, thats only about half the fun one could get out of it. a few other examples, Mario kart 7, Pokemon, Monster hunter, all a bit more fun with their online enabled but with how most emulators work, multi wont be possible. iirc most and GBA emulators that even had a link function, had one that rarely even worked in the first place. so what you have here, is a way to play an extended DEMO of the real thing. maybe even a way to play games that are region locked due to publisher choice (like it taking 2 years or so to get america its version of monster hunter 4, or any other title that never leaves japan) so this can be some way to gain access to these titles without having to pay out the ass first for a whole nother handheld, just to play a foreign title. or to try something for a console you already own, that has no good available demo. or hey i could go as far as sayin it'll be a decent way for an indie dev to TEST something he wants to develop for the 3DS without paying a bunch of licensing costs first and then only have it flop because it was rushed to pay his bills. it opens up for many opportunities, not all of em are bad ones either. nintendo will get along fine, piracy or no, they always have.

[QUOTE=Xilo;46869476]honestly i dont think it'll work quite that way. that said, it might be possible to anti alias the title a bit so larger resolutions look better.[/QUOTE] Most emulators let you change the internal rendering resolution, making 3D games look awesome, like this [t]http://i.imgur.com/ANLBQk5.png[/t] That's from some weird build of DesMuMe, it actually works quite well though it's still WIP, the performance in anything but the OpenGL renderer is terrible at higher resolutions [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13796438/Screenshot%202014-11-04%2023.40.44.png[/t] [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13796438/Screenshot%202014-06-11%2000.18.03.png[/t] And this is from PCSX2 set to run at 1080p, the games look almost as good as if they were just HD remakes

[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;46869550]Most emulators let you change the internal rendering resolution, making 3D games look awesome, like this [t]http://i.imgur.com/ANLBQk5.png[/t] That's from some weird build of DesMuMe, it actually works quite well though it's still WIP, the performance in anything but the OpenGL renderer is terrible at higher resolutions [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13796438/Screenshot%202014-11-04%2023.40.44.png[/t] [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13796438/Screenshot%202014-06-11%2000.18.03.png[/t] And this is from PCSX2 set to run at 1080p, the games look almost as good as if they were just HD remakes[/QUOTE] lol wow i hadnt touched desmume in so long i forgot it could even do that. though back then my PC was still a PoS that couldn't even handle Crysis so emulators running on default was pretty much my main option.

[QUOTE=Xilo;46869603]lol wow i hadnt touched desmume in so long i forgot it could even do that. though back then my PC was still a PoS that couldn't even handle Crysis so emulators running on default was pretty much my main option.[/QUOTE] You're gonna need to download it from here [url]http://shikaver01.webcrow.jp/[/url] if you want to mess around with higher resolutions, the builds on the official site for some reason don't have that option yet