[QUOTE=evilweazel;42143830]Uh I'm not sure if you just don't know anyone who hunts or what but it is definitely frowned up from all I've seen.
literally every hunter I know talks about how just killing the animal and not putting the hide or meat to use is incredibly disrespectful and a huge waste.
People hunt for the sport of it, yeah, it's enjoyable. But anyone who does it JUST for that is usually not well liked by other hunters.[/QUOTE]
Uh I live in the deep south so I don't know anyone who DOESN'T hunt.
Hunting for sport and because they enjoy it is by far the primary reason they do it. Selling/using the hide or meat is pretty typical but that's not why they do it.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;42146781]Uh I live in the deep south so I don't know anyone who DOESN'T hunt.
Hunting for sport and because they enjoy it is by far the primary reason they do it. Selling/using the hide or meat is pretty typical but that's not why they do it.[/QUOTE]
If they use the meat and other bi products from the carcass, whats it matter if they hunt for sport or not?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42142383]Coyote's aren't THE GLORIOUS BEASTS OF THE SPIRIT FORREST WHO DON'T DESERVE TO BE KILLED, they're pest animals. Coyotes are pest animals; they kill pet animals, live stock, and damage anything they can chew on, including irrigation pipes. It's not very common for them to see them attack a human, but you'll read a news story every now and again about a coyote attacking a small child playing outside.[/QUOTE]
Its as if you completely didn't read a word I said?
I'm not saying they are glorious spirit animals or anything. They aren't technically "pest" animals though, I don't know where you get that from (a pest is defined as an animal/insect that actively disturbs the ecology of the area), they are predatory animals which means they hunt small animals and livestock... even yours, if they coyote population is close enough to you, large enough, and/or your property isn't protected enough.
I'm not saying they are some paragon animal that must be saved. I'm just saying, where I live, there's zero chance of a coyote hunting anything except for your average rabbit in the woods, so they are almost [B]exclusively[/B] hunted for sport here, and while I'm not a hunter I personally could see myself hunting something like deer but not hunting something like coyotes (which was pretty much what I said in that post). Judging by where these people live, they aren't hunting them because its to defend their property, they are hunting them in the woods for the fun of it (coyote issues crop up in areas where theres lots of small livestock or areas where theres a high coyote population near an urban/suburban area, which likely doesn't qualify for this video). I don't think they are bad for hunting coyotes, I'm simply saying its not something I could personally do as I don't have any sort of issues with hunting them and I gain no tangible benefit out of it either.
I really don't understand why hunting has to be so black and white with facepunch. Every time something involving hunting comes up, there's always people who have to say all animals must be saved and then there's the other side of the camp that thinks you are completely stupid if you don't actively push for support of hunting everything.
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[QUOTE=evilweazel;42142652]Coyotes are considered pests in many places in the Country for good reason. We have family friends that lost a ton of chickens and cats to them before they started actively hunting down the ones that lived around their little farm area. They don't really threaten people, sure, but they're definitely pests that warrant hunting down if they're continuously threatening livestock and pets.
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Most hunters have a huge amount of respect for the animals they hunt, hunting solely for sport is usually frowned upon by most.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying they aren't a problem for people who own small animals, I'm just saying for me, I wouldn't want to hunt coyote because I gain nothing from doing so. Where I live coyotes also don't pose any real problem for small game either, so there's no need for me to "defend" my property by hunting coyotes in the local area.
I never said once in my entire post that nobody should ever hunt coyotes ever.
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[QUOTE=HkSniper;42142713]
These guys? These guys are likely sport hunters. There is a difference between sport hunting, standard hunting, and then pest control. Most of the people who film this crap are in it just for sport.[/QUOTE]
This is my entire point in my first post. It's pretty obvious they are sport hunters and likely aren't hunting to protect their grounds nearby, and aren't doing it to curb the population, especially considering their location. Which is why I posted what I posted in that I was talking about hunting coyotes for [I]sport[/I]. Its just not something I could ever want to do - hunting for the sport of it alone.
[QUOTE=KorJax;42147645]Its as if you completely didn't read a word I said?
I'm not saying they are glorious spirit animals or anything. They aren't technically "pest" animals though, I don't know where you get that from (a pest is defined as an animal/insect that actively disturbs the ecology of the area), they are predatory animals which means they hunt small animals and livestock... even yours, if they coyote population is close enough to you, large enough, and/or your property isn't protected enough.
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It's as if you didn't read a word I said dood
Coyote are [i]pest animals[/i]. They prey on live stock, pets, and destroy property as well as occasionally attack humans. Just because they're predatory doesn't make them any less of a pest. Coyotes are agile little creatures, [URL="http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/IMAGES/C/V-MA-CLAT-AD.003.jpg"]they can easily jump over typical barb wired fences [/URL] that would protect against any other typical threat to live stock. Believe it or not, it's much easier to buy a box of .223 rounds and kill a few coyotes than it is to build 12 foot barb wire fences around the length of your property to protect your lamb and chickens.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42143553]Would you feel any differently if it was a "catch of the week" and it showed fishermen reeling in a several hundred pound tuna or sailfish?[/QUOTE]
yes because I don't have to see a fish run for its life in slow motion
that and its far easier to empathise with a coyote than a fish
lol get a load of this faggot hunting with an AR15.
Where's the goddamn skill in that?
Might as well just bring the 240 next time.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;42148649]yes because I don't have to see a fish run for its life in slow motion
that and its far easier to empathise with a coyote than a fish[/QUOTE]
If anything I'd say that a fish being reeled in on film is much more cruel than watching an animal die a few seconds after being shot. A fish, especially large ones like mahi-hai and sailfish, is going to have a massive hook in it's mouth or gut, and is being slowly reeled into it's doom while fighting for it's life. Then it gets yanked into a foreign atmosphere which it has no control in and flops around till it's either beheaded, or tossed on ice until it freezes to death.
If it's a deep water fish it's even worse. As it's reeled in from several hundred feet under water, certain organs start to inflate like balloons probably causing it pretty bad discomfort. After that if the fisherman decides to release it back, he'll have to take a blade or a pin and pop the organs protruding from his gills or mouth so it can go back down to the deeper waters. If that doesn't happen, it'll just float on the surface till I guess it dies. Thats at least how it was with tons the Red Snapper I've caught.
Fishing is a really nasty and cruel sport if you have any sort of sympathy for the lil creatures of the sea. I feel worse for them rather than I would for a pest animal that gets a near instant death.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42149618]If anything I'd say that a fish being reeled in on film is much more cruel than watching an animal die a few seconds after being shot. A fish, especially large ones like mahi-hai and sailfish, is going to have a massive hook in it's mouth or gut, and is being slowly reeled into it's doom while fighting for it's life. Then it gets yanked into a foreign atmosphere which it has no control in and flops around till it's either beheaded, or tossed on ice until it freezes to death.
If it's a deep water fish it's even worse. As it's reeled in from several hundred feet under water, certain organs start to inflate like balloons probably causing it pretty bad discomfort. After that if the fisherman decides to release it back, he'll have to take a blade or a pin and pop the organs protruding from his gills or mouth so it can go back down to the deeper waters. If that doesn't happen, it'll just float on the surface till I guess it dies. Thats at least how it was with tons the Red Snapper I've caught.
Fishing is a really nasty and cruel sport if you have any sort of sympathy for the lil creatures of the sea. I feel worse for them rather than I would for a pest animal that gets a near instant death.[/QUOTE]
The reason most people don't care, mostly, is "out of sight, out of mind". Fish don't really have the emotional cues that mammals have, and we don't actually see most of the fight, so most people find it hard to be sympathetic.
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