Adam Ruins Everything: Wine Experts don't know shit.
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[QUOTE=GURREN LAGANN;48991935][IMG]http://scene7.targetimg1.com/is/image/Target/14767790?wid=480&hei=480[/IMG]
The only wine I can drink.
Because it doesn't even taste like wine, it tastes like a alcohol-y fruit juice.[/QUOTE]
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This literally tastes like jam. I know it's the girliest drink out there but it's so easy to drink.
People drink wine for the atmosphere it brings to a company.
I don't enjoy the stuff too much myself. But i would be lying if it doesn't have a cultural power to put people in a certain mood.
I have to disagree, to some degree.
My dad was a winemaker (did nearly every role in a winery at some point)
Low quality wine tastes very different to high quality wine and I've had a lot from all the categories. As always you'll like certain flavors more than other based on preference (I hate dry wines myself) but you'll find there's a lot of variation.
I can't stand super cheap wine, but there's a lot of fairly cheap ones I enjoy. I think it's like most alchohol, find a specific one you like, and drink that. Maybe it's expensive, maybe it's cheap.
I don't agree with wines costing upwards of 100 bucks a bottle though, that's just silly.
Has anyone else had plum wine before?
I don't like regular wine but that shit is delicious.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48992147]My big confusion is why we care so much. I've never had and never will have wine, but expensive or not expensive, high production quality or low production quality, it's just a drink. It should matter about as much as orange juice as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE]
People want to feel like they're superior by belonging to an elite group, and that elite group is people who drink wine.
I had red wine made with blueberries the other week. It wasn't bad. Or blue
americans are weird
boxed wine
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48992147]My big confusion is why we care so much. I've never had and never will have wine, but expensive or not expensive, high production quality or low production quality, it's just a drink. It should matter about as much as orange juice as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE]
I would like to say because it is an ancient drink that has been very important to human civilisation economically and culturally. It is the subject of or the muse for many pieces of art and it plays an important role in religion (in the western world). This is all probably because it is a relatively good tasting moderately strong alcoholic drink that goes well with a lot of food. Since it has so much history you are going to find people who have created a culture around it and you are going to find people who like the stuff just because of the culture it is associated with.
I don't care about it and obviously neither do you, but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong about caring about wine.
[QUOTE=vodka quest;48992606]americans are weird
boxed wine[/QUOTE]
isn't boxed wine perfectly normal anywhere in the world?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;48989407]cheapest wine best wine
$3/bottle A+[/QUOTE]
It's actually not that far from truth. One of my teachers who drank a lot told me that superb quality wines in France and around it start from 5 euro a bottle. I bought two for 6-7 euro and holy fuck were they good, they were from Bordeaux or something.
I can tell some wines apart but mainly because they either taste alright or shit to me. Beer > Wine, especially dark ales and stouts. Lagers can be great too but nothing compares to a Skullsplitter or a pint of Guinness.
[QUOTE=SpartanApples;48992416]I know it's the girliest drink out there but it's so easy to drink[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;7lPtr6dQrnY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lPtr6dQrnY[/video]
[QUOTE=vodka quest;48992606]americans are weird
boxed wine[/QUOTE]
Think about it though. The two enemies of wine are sunlight and air. In a box, sunlight can't reach it like it can in a bottle. In the box, wine is kept in an airtight container, only wine can exit and air can't come back in.
It's actually an incredibly intelligently way to store wine. If you're storing for years though glass is superior because it doesn't degrade.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;48991993]This reminds me so much of coffee. Sister-in-law thinks she knows coffee so I had her do a blind taste test with her fancy organic fair trade shit and some Costco arabic coffee, and she liked the bulk Costco stuff more. And honestly, so do I.
And then there's Starbucks. Tastes like burnt shit, sells like crazy. How?[/QUOTE]
There's a huge difference between good coffee and bulk coffee. If you can't drink coffee black but like coffee, you need to try good coffee that is fresh. I didn't start liking black coffee until I started buying good beans that are fresh roasted.
Of course, the kicker is the quality of the bean has nothing to do with it being organic, fair trade, or from an expensive region (i.e. kona). The only thing the region really affects in Coffee are just subtle differences in how it tastes when brewed.
95% of what makes a good quality coffee in order of importance is it being fresh ground (within 15 minutes of use), fresh roasted (within 3-4 weeks of use), using a good brew method (most auto drips aren't good), and being roasted well. A roaster that is good roasts the beans evenly, without damaging them and roasts it at a level that accents the region it comes from. A lot of african beans for example are fruitier than other regions, so a good roaster tends to roast beans from that region a bit lighter than they might a central american bean. Of course this is all subjective - you can roast african beans dark just fine and have it taste good. It's just a bean from another region might accent a darker roast better than an african bean does.
If have beans/grounds that aren't fresh they are gonna taste just like shitty beans. And if the roaster you get your beans from can roast well + roast fresh, then there literally isn't any difference between them and a high end $20-for-12oz roaster. They all get their beans from the same farms.
Also, Starbucks is not good quality coffee at all (even though they sell it like it is). They taste burnt because it is. Starbucks beans are over-roasted due to the contracts they get with coffee farms that require them to mix huge amounts of beans from pretty much all over the world and have them sit in a warehouse for months. The quality goes out the window, so to ensure consistency of their product across all stores the beans are roasted so dark that it masks the age of them and masks the differences you get in beans from different regions.
Kind of bullshit, I thought this too until I watched Somm on Netflix... an AMAZING documentary about trainee master wine tasters. It blew my fucking mind.
They taste 6 glasses of wine... and can nail the country, province, and fucking VINYARD the grapes are from. Then the year, the fucking soil, the type of grape. It's absolutely mind blowing.
I'm not saying expensive wine is the best, bust there are people who can taste better than us, and who would perhaps appreciate the subtleties of finer (and more expensive) wine.
Seriously, check it out. It's fascinating.
[editline]27th October 2015[/editline]
[video=youtube;UUunwFZFqZo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUunwFZFqZo[/video]
I'm glad they sort of parodied the Prank channel videos with the overthe top FX and 3D animation.
I've always found Dunkin Donuts' or even Wawa's coffee to be better than Starbucks.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48993756]I've always found Dunkin Donuts' or even Wawa's coffee to be better than Starbucks.[/QUOTE]
that's like comparing shit coffee to the kind of coffee they serve in prisons
[QUOTE=KorJax;48993703]There's a huge difference between good coffee and bulk coffee. If you can't drink coffee black but like coffee, you need to try good coffee that is fresh. I didn't start liking black coffee until I started buying good beans that are fresh roasted.
Of course, the kicker is the quality of the bean has nothing to do with it being organic, fair trade, or from an expensive region (i.e. kona). The only thing the region really affects in Coffee are just subtle differences in how it tastes when brewed.
95% of what makes a good quality coffee in order of importance is it being fresh ground (within 15 minutes of use), fresh roasted (within 3-4 weeks of use), using a good brew method (most auto drips aren't good), and being roasted well. A roaster that is good roasts the beans evenly, without damaging them and roasts it at a level that accents the region it comes from. A lot of african beans for example are fruitier than other regions, so a good roaster tends to roast beans from that region a bit lighter than they might a central american bean. Of course this is all subjective - you can roast african beans dark just fine and have it taste good. It's just a bean from another region might accent a darker roast better than an african bean does.
If have beans/grounds that aren't fresh they are gonna taste just like shitty beans. And if the roaster you get your beans from can roast well + roast fresh, then there literally isn't any difference between them and a high end $20-for-12oz roaster. They all get their beans from the same farms.
Also, Starbucks is not good quality coffee at all (even though they sell it like it is). They taste burnt because it is. Starbucks beans are over-roasted due to the contracts they get with coffee farms that require them to mix huge amounts of beans from pretty much all over the world and have them sit in a warehouse for months. The quality goes out the window, so to ensure consistency of their product across all stores the beans are roasted so dark that it masks the age of them and masks the differences you get in beans from different regions.[/QUOTE]
Sorry you had to write all that, you're preaching to the choir really. I only drink black coffee, I grind my beans no more than 2 minutes in advance, I use a french press, etc. Only place I often get stuck on is getting fresh roasted beans. Hard to find here, especially at a reasonable price.
Had a friend bring some up from Columbia recently though. Came into the shop on the back of a donkey and roasted the day before she put them in my hands. I have never had better coffee.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;48993948]that's like comparing shit coffee to the kind of coffee they serve in prisons[/QUOTE]
I-I like Dunkin's coffee...
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;48991993]This reminds me so much of coffee. Sister-in-law thinks she knows coffee so I had her do a blind taste test with her fancy organic fair trade shit and some Costco arabic coffee, and she liked the bulk Costco stuff more. And honestly, so do I.
And then there's Starbucks. Tastes like burnt shit, sells like crazy. How?[/QUOTE]
You act like fair trade coffee is a bad thing?
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48994164]You act like fair trade coffee is a bad thing?[/QUOTE]
No? Fair trade is a good thing far as I can see. I just laugh at snobs thinking something is a better product because of arbitrary and often irrelevant factors.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;48994489]No? Fair trade is a good thing far as I can see. I just laugh at snobs thinking something is a better product because of arbitrary and often irrelevant factors.[/QUOTE]
Ah, yeah I can get that
Canned wine is best wine!
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[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48994120]I-I like Dunkin's coffee...[/QUOTE]
He's overreacting, Starbucks or whatever your favorite type of store-brewed coffee usually isn't terrible, but a nice pot of french pressed fresh beans really is really damn good coffee.
You gotta like black coffee in the first place, though. Me, I'm too lazy so I just order a Starbucks Certified Sugarbomb.
I'm a simple man, since it's hard to get fresh beans on no budget I stick to the normal ground. At least you can get some nicely roasted stuff in every food store here in Sweden.
When it comes to wine I'm much the same way, give me a bottle of red - Foot of Africa or something like that - and I'm happy.
Not as much a fan of white wines, but that might just be because I haven't tried any really good ones.
The same thing happens with tea. There's a type of tea (sadly I can't remember the name AGermanSpy talked about it in his Bloodborne LP) that has been gaining popularity over the last few years, a couple of years ago it was considered complete trash tea because tea 'experts' said it came from an area with shit tea so it must be shit. It's only once you stop and actually try it that you discover it's actually good.
Now I'm an uncultured pleb and only drink tea from teabags, bet even there my preferred tea has a "Gold Blend" which is more expensive because it's better, but everyone I've met who likes that tea says the regular blend is much better. I'm currently working on the last of some gold blend and I can't wait to get back to the regular stuff.
I drink my coffee black and have always enjoyed the Costco beans. It's a good price and the taste matches basically any other normally priced coffee I've had.
I also don't really like Starbuck's coffee at all. It does taste burnt and bitter.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48996000]I drink my coffee black and have always enjoyed the Costco beans. It's a good price and the taste matches basically any other normally priced coffee I've had.
I also don't really like Starbuck's coffee at all. It does taste burnt and bitter.[/QUOTE]
Living in one of the coffee exporters makes you hate the "standard" coffee like the liquid you drink in Starbucks. Too bland for the taste. (Can't say the same about wine though, since I don't drink alcohol.)
That said, the smaller the city you live in, the worse the coffee you'll get (since more people means less brew time or diluted coffee to save cost). My mom came from a small coastal town and the ridiculously thick, almost-gel-like coffee they serve there will keep you awake for at least 18 hours if you can handle it (if you don't, then your head will spin faster than a plane propeller. Even when you've drank it with copious amount of condensed milk and ice.)
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