Adam Ruins Everything: Wine Experts don't know shit. - General

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;48995914]The same thing happens with tea. There's a type of tea (sadly I can't remember the name AGermanSpy talked about it in his Bloodborne LP) that has been gaining popularity over the last few years, a couple of years ago it was considered complete trash tea because tea 'experts' said it came from an area with shit tea so it must be shit. It's only once you stop and actually try it that you discover it's actually good. Now I'm an uncultured pleb and only drink tea from teabags, bet even there my preferred tea has a "Gold Blend" which is more expensive because it's better, but everyone I've met who likes that tea says the regular blend is much better. I'm currently working on the last of some gold blend and I can't wait to get back to the regular stuff.[/QUOTE] personally i really enjoy generic ultra-mass produced lipton breakfast tea even amongst "classier" and more expensive teas, there's something about that particular brand i like a lot

[QUOTE=Scotchair;48993742]Kind of bullshit, I thought this too until I watched Somm on Netflix... an AMAZING documentary about trainee master wine tasters. It blew my fucking mind. They taste 6 glasses of wine... and can nail the country, province, and fucking VINYARD the grapes are from. Then the year, the fucking soil, the type of grape. It's absolutely mind blowing. I'm not saying expensive wine is the best, bust there are people who can taste better than us, and who would perhaps appreciate the subtleties of finer (and more expensive) wine. Seriously, check it out. It's fascinating. [editline]27th October 2015[/editline] [video=youtube;UUunwFZFqZo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUunwFZFqZo[/video][/QUOTE] Seriously, from having watched this documentary alone I know this video is bullshit. Well, not totally. There are pretentious douchebags, but master sommeliers are amazing. Whether or not you think what tastes good is too subjective for wine to have the kind of connoisseurs it does, the fact that they can identify unlabeled wines from taste and smell alone is incredible, and its clear some of what they do is objective.

My great uncle was a Master of Wine, so it was painful to watch this crap he was spewing out. Actually, it sounded like one giant envious rant about people having better palate's than him, or outright denial of them. If you can't taste differences in wine then don't bother with them, don't go around telling people they all just taste like red and white grape juice lol.

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[QUOTE=BusinessRed;49005923][img]http://i.imgur.com/4SjjuNP.png[/img] Soon.[/QUOTE] His hair is literally, spaghetti.

[QUOTE=Vasili;49005657]My great uncle was a Master of Wine, so it was painful to watch this crap he was spewing out. Actually, it sounded like one giant envious rant about people having better palate's than him, or outright denial of them. If you can't taste differences in wine then don't bother with them, don't go around telling people they all just taste like red and white grape juice lol.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't go that far, seems like he just made a dumb comedy video about something he didn't have a good understanding of.

[QUOTE=GURREN LAGANN;48991935][IMG]http://scene7.targetimg1.com/is/image/Target/14767790?wid=480&hei=480[/IMG] The only wine I can drink. Because it doesn't even taste like wine, it tastes like a alcohol-y fruit juice.[/QUOTE] Most sweeter wines taste like that and its great

[QUOTE=Vasili;49005657]My great uncle was a Master of Wine, so it was painful to watch this crap he was spewing out. Actually, it sounded like one giant envious rant about people having better palate's than him, or outright denial of them. If you can't taste differences in wine then don't bother with them, don't go around [B]telling people they all just taste like red and white grape juice lol[/B].[/QUOTE] That's not what he said at all? The message was that you shouldn't go out of your way to drink expensive wine if you already like the taste of cheaper wine, just because some expert says it's better. It explicitly says at the end that not all wine tastes the same, it's just that you shouldn't let someone tell you what you're supposed to prefer.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48993756]I've always found Dunkin Donuts' or even Wawa's coffee to be better than Starbucks.[/QUOTE] I dunno about canada or the rest of the states but we have Dunn Bros in MN, they roast all of their beans in the store

[QUOTE=Scotchair;48993742]Kind of bullshit, I thought this too until I watched Somm on Netflix... an AMAZING documentary about trainee master wine tasters. It blew my fucking mind. They taste 6 glasses of wine... and can nail the country, province, and fucking VINYARD the grapes are from. Then the year, the fucking soil, the type of grape. It's absolutely mind blowing. I'm not saying expensive wine is the best, bust there are people who can taste better than us, and who would perhaps appreciate the subtleties of finer (and more expensive) wine. Seriously, check it out. It's fascinating. [editline]27th October 2015[/editline] [video=youtube;UUunwFZFqZo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUunwFZFqZo[/video][/QUOTE] I guess the point which should have been focussed on is that, if tricked using food dye or other stuff, wine connoisseurs are no better at detecting a certain wine than anybody else, because our senses work in conjunction.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;49024086]I guess the point which should have been focussed on is that, if tricked using food dye or other stuff, wine connoisseurs are no better at detecting a certain wine than anybody else, because our senses work in conjunction.[/QUOTE] Also that your average connoisseur is not a master wine taster.

I think after only what seems to be one or two studies (if that even) you can't make an entire video calling all wine tasters bullshit. it's like calling all food tasters bullshit because of those dudes who brought mcdonalds to a fine dining convention couldn't tell and called it some high class shit. it's just incredibly biased and a broken way of thinking.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;49004968]Seriously, from having watched this documentary alone I know this video is bullshit. Well, not totally. There are pretentious douchebags, but master sommeliers are amazing. Whether or not you think what tastes good is too subjective for wine to have the kind of connoisseurs it does, the fact that they can identify unlabeled wines from taste and smell alone is incredible, and its clear some of what they do is objective.[/QUOTE] IMO I thought it was pretty obvious the video was talking about your average "wine connoisseur" type that writes for a magazine or just has a lot of wine in their basement, not actual world class wine tasters Though it really should have made the distinction

[QUOTE=KorJax;49026641]IMO I thought it was pretty obvious the video was talking about your average "wine connoisseur" type that writes for a magazine or just has a lot of wine in their basement, not actual world class wine tasters Though it really should have made the distinction[/QUOTE] I can get behind that, but yeah if that's the case they really needed to make that clear.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;49004968]Seriously, from having watched this documentary alone I know this video is bullshit. Well, not totally. There are pretentious douchebags, but master sommeliers are amazing. Whether or not you think what tastes good is too subjective for wine to have the kind of connoisseurs it does, the fact that they can identify unlabeled wines from taste and smell alone is incredible, and its clear some of what they do is objective.[/QUOTE] How do you respond to studies that show that even for professional wine tasters and judges in wine competitions, what [url=http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9318932]wins the best wine award is mostly random and the rest is consensus[/url], and that even experts can vary their scores multiple times in the same day for the same exact wine?

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49035504]How do you respond to studies that show that even for professional wine tasters and judges in wine competitions, what [url=http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9318932]wins the best wine award is mostly random and the rest is consensus[/url], and that even experts can vary their scores multiple times in the same day for the same exact wine?[/QUOTE] None of that runs counter to anything in my post, though. Taste is always subjective. "This wine is good" clearly cannot be given an objective basis. Though the fact that there is so much variation in wine reviews from experts is interesting in itself, it's not the point I was making. My point was that sommeliers and wine experts are not all just con artists who are making everything up, there is an objective component to their abilities. So when they have the ladies sitting around making up words to describe their wines and then Wayne Jarvis can magically taste the wine and tell that the vintner's wife was pregnant, they're making fun of something that some wine experts can actually do. You know, except the pregnancy thing. They can identify by color, smell, and taste the grape variety, year, region, etc. That some people might be faking it doesn't detract from master sommeliers who take a difficult test to prove that they actually can. Also, I love the fact that the "Journal of Wine Economics" exists.

for me, white wines taste a lot more varied than red wines. but for both, its either "good or shit", and i cant really put my mind into why that is exactly. but portwine and tokaji that is the FUCKING BEST STUFF