Quinnspiracy NEW sex scandal - Indie-fensible! - The Maya "Legobutts" Kramer Story!
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[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45870507]I'm rating you tool Max, because you are one.
No they are not trying to "destroy videogames" or the culture around it, you're right on that. However, what people are calling "destroying videogames" is in essence an attempt to silence criticism by making it look like harassment in order to have their plot continue without hindrance.
What is that plot you ask? Eliminating competition through whatever means available.
Why else would they try to take out TFYC despite both causes appearing to be for feminism? Why else would there be only games of friends of Zoey, Maya and co. be in the IGF finals?[/QUOTE]
This pretty much. At its core the ZQ & Maya clique are pushing for a monopoly on the indie scene. Inevitably, devs and writers are going to be forced to fall under their wing, or risk being ostracized from the flock.
ZQ and Maya are both in powerful gatekeeping positions, and they are quite honestly some of the most influential people in the indie scene - Maya even more-so than ZQ. They aren't "killing video games" because they want inclusivity; progressive beliefs are extremely important in video gaming. However, they ARE killing indie video games (or severely damaging it, at any rate) by destroying healthy competition, giving certain devs unfair advantages, and ruining major contests within the indie scene. You all do realize that these allegations are going to virtually destroy the credibility of IGF and Indiecade, right?
Now, I don't personally like capitalism. But this isn't healthy industry behavior. Rigging contests and sabotaging charity events is pretty unethical, and Maya is coming very close to being personally responsible for a [i]large[/i] dollar figure in damages. Hell, according to the TFYC legal claims, they're already technically responsible in $10,000 in damages to TFYC; a full investigation on IGF could lead to even more money in damages to innocent devs, if this video is true.
Quite honestly, there's a reason why Maya Felix hasn't been very talkative on their twitter. They haven't posted in 24+ hrs now, which is extremely rare for them. Maya is purposefully laying low because there's a huge shitstorm about to start around their name, and they're running the risk of having their career completely taken away from them because of their unethical actions. Even if you didn't agree with the early evidence about ZQ and gaming journalism nepotism, [b]this video[/b] gives us pretty good reason to never want to touch a single project linked to Maya Felix Kramer's name.
[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;45869923]they run the show and no one is going to stop them, unfortunately.
[editline]2nd September 2014[/editline]
their agenda involves destroying game culture by what ever means necessary, using what ever as a scapegoat to fuel them.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they intend on destroying video game culture, that is being a bit melodramatic and makes this side of the argument look kind of pathetic. The only thing they are trying to do is make money for them and their friends and if that means throwing people under the bus to do it, they will.
It's unfortunate that the thing which set this all off involved a woman. This shouldn't even be an argument about misogyny in gamer culture, that is a completely separate issue, but thanks to ignorance on both sides of the fence it keeps coming back to that when we should be talking about rampant nepotism, breaches of journalistic ethics and and the alleged IGF racketeering.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;45870581]I don't think they intend on destroying video game culture, that is being a bit melodramatic and makes this side of the argument look kind of pathetic. The only thing they are trying to do is make money for them and their friends and if that means throwing people under the bus to do it, they will.[/QUOTE]
It's not necessarily destroying video game culture, true. Most of that is severely overblown. However, Maya's actions, the Judges' actions, the winning devs' compliance, and their various enablers are all running the risk of doing severe damage to the indie gaming industry. Honestly, if these allegations can be further proven, IGF is finished. No one is going to want to take IGF seriously after seeing the overwhelming majority of their prize winners were picked because of industry connections, over sheer quality of the end product.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45870272]they're out to destroy our video games!!
[editline]2nd September 2014[/editline]
quick, everyone stock on doritos and mountain dew while we still can. tomorrow we will be under a dictatorship[/QUOTE]
What are you doing here then?
I get the impression 99.9% of people who play video game do not have any idea any of this shit is even happening, or let alone care. And to be blunt, even if the "SJW" bloggers are a bunch of corrupt dirtbags, who cares? Fuck the indy gaming scene, it's always been filled with pretentious human ooze and con-artists.
This demonstration of pissing into the wind by people like in the OP has been going on for, what 2-3 weeks now? And despite the imgur albums, and sardonic youtube videos responding back to deaf bloggers who do not care about their WIDDY RETORDS, what has changed?
Nothing. What will change? Nothing. The only thing that has changed are the bloggers writing more of their victim complex fanfics and the other side babbling on about ~integrity~ and "muh hobby". None of these people matter in any real way, Anita Sarkesian is a nobody, RPS is a blog written by nobodies, Internet Aristocrat is a nobody, Zoe Quinn who?
All of this is so laughably self-important and the apocalyptic prose and tones of the videos and articles written about this are a joke. Nothing is changing, video games aren't suddenly going to become some rad-fems castration fantasy, nor are they turning into "Cathedrals of Misogyny" filled with [insert lazy slur about virginity, facial hair here].
People need to stop getting mad about video games.
[QUOTE=Srillo;45870877]I get the impression 99.9% of people who play video game do not have any idea any of this shit is even happening, or let alone care. And to be blunt, even if the "SJW" bloggers are a bunch of corrupt dirtbags, who cares? Fuck the indy gaming scene, it's always been filled with pretentious human ooze and con-artists.
This demonstration of pissing into the wind by people like in the OP has been going on for, what 2-3 weeks now? And despite the imgur albums, and sardonic youtube videos responding back to deaf bloggers who do not care about their WIDDY RETORDS, what has changed?
Nothing. What will change? Nothing. The only thing that has changed are the bloggers writing more of their victim complex fanfics and the other side babbling on about ~integrity~ and "muh hobby". None of these people matter in any real way, Anita Sarkesian is a nobody, RPS is a blog written by nobodies, Internet Aristocrat is a nobody, Zoe Quinn who?
All of this is so laughably self-important and the apocalyptic prose and tones of the videos and articles written about this are a joke. Nothing is changing, video games aren't suddenly going to become some rad-fems castration fantasy, nor are they turning into "Cathedrals of Misogyny" filled with [insert lazy slur about virginity, facial hair here].
People need to stop getting mad about video games.[/QUOTE]
While I respect your decision to stay out of this stuff, this conflict will certainly have consequences unlike what you're saying, and I say we definitely should care about it.
For one if the aforementioned monopoly claim is true, it could make it extremely difficult for new Indie devs to get into the business, leaving them to go unnoticed.
And for the other, the constant generalisation of the gamer that has been going through the media could also serve to cement games as a passtime for basement dwelling nerds for the next decade. And as gaming is often associated with programming (going out on a limb here), it could also mean that that would be disrespected as well.
The sad thing is: We have tons of evidence to support our claims, but nobody cares or listens to it. Why? Because of the media shitstorm. And the more people adopt a defeatist attitude like this (no offense), then the more likely it is that the entire thing about the corruption in the Indie scene and the gaming news sites will go forgotten, yet the gamer will be seen as a pig even more than before. In order to make gaming journalism and the Indie scene better, we first need to actually [B]give a shit[/B]
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45870272]they're out to destroy our video games!!
[editline]2nd September 2014[/editline]
quick, everyone stock on doritos and mountain dew while we still can. tomorrow we will be under a dictatorship[/QUOTE]
Do you wake up each morning deciding to be a tool or is it just natural?
[QUOTE=Srillo;45870877]People need to stop getting mad about video games.[/QUOTE]People are going to care about the things they invest time and money into.
[QUOTE=person11;45868122]As the guy in the video said, this is not about personal aspects of relationships or how they look or anything like that. None of us here give a shit about their personal lives.
The problem is the way these relationships are entangled in several different companies. It is a serious ethical breach.
Also, I think all the people involved in this conspiracy feel justified in their actions by their common hatred of the mainstream in video games. Meaning, they do not think they need to operate by the rules of what they consider a heavily corrupt and misogynist industry. I personally think the industry is misogynist, but that does not justify what these people have done. Not at all.
[editline]1st September 2014[/editline]
That last bit of information really hit me. The GDC is a rather important company. It really explains Gamasutra's coverage.[/QUOTE]
Well obviously it has nothing to do with this in particular, but what I said just goes for Quinn and Maya overall. I don't get it, it looks terrible. Same goes for a lot of Tumblrinas.
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;45869406]I can't fucking believe this. I hope people who are involved in this little circle jerk of journalists and what the fuck ever never [B][I]ever[/I][/B] have anything to do with judging things or writing about anything, holy fuck how embarrassing[/QUOTE]
First people need to stop reading their articles and spreading them around.
Start using websites that aren't being corrupted or at least [url]http://www.donotlink.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=person11;45868122] As the guy in the video said, this is not about personal aspects of relationships or how they look or anything like that. None of us here give a shit about their personal lives.
...That last bit of information really hit me. The GDC is a rather important company. It really explains Gamasutra's coverage.[/QUOTE]
Person11 knows whats up.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45870272]they're out to destroy our video games!!
[editline]2nd September 2014[/editline]
quick, everyone stock on doritos and mountain dew while we still can. tomorrow we will be under a dictatorship[/QUOTE]
Do you want the Gaming Industry to be just like the Movie and Television industry, because you're reactionary bullshit is what leads to it.
[QUOTE=Srillo;45870877]
People need to stop getting mad about video games.[/QUOTE]
You do understand this goes above and beyond video games do you? Replace videogames with indie movie making, or hell, even knitting and it is still a disgrace, to have competitions with hefty entry fees be 100% rigged, and the press able to call them out 100% under their control, spreading false information and calming shitstorms.
To sum it up, plenty of people paid to get into a competition that was meant to be won by close friends[sp]with interest[/sp] of the jury right from the beginning, I don't know what you call it but I call it a fraud, a scam, a theft and a crime. And just because 'lol it's just video games', 'lol only basement dwellers are arguing', they can- and likely will- go unpunished.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45872896]First people need to stop reading their articles and spreading them around.
Start using websites that aren't being corrupted or at least [url]http://www.donotlink.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Every single website is corrupted in one way or another, so good luck with that.
The reason people should be getting away from the IGF isn't because of some conspiracy theory, it's because no matter whether it's true, the presence of the IGF has gotten systemized.
"Indie" is a label that is very nebulous and used to describe a lot of things nowadays. It's used for "self-published", "not on Steam", "went through Greenlight", and it's also got connotations of "a game that looks cheap" — I've seen publications call "Child of Light" an indie game even though it was made by Ubisoft Montreal, which is about as far away as you can get from this nebulous definition of indie.
However all these definitions of indie have one thing in common: not having to rely on existing systems. And when the current "indie" system relies on institutions like Steam, the IGF, YouTube let's players, there is no true independence.
I personally don't care whether the IGF conspiracy is real or not, because it's not contributing to a decentralization of power. You can't be "indie" when there's [I]the one place to be[/I], and if you can't get on there, well, good luck.
[editline]2nd September 2014[/editline]
I'll also add that I don't give a shit about Zoe Quinn's sex life but that I most definitely think that if there's below-the-table shady deals going on then this is fucked up
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45873350]
but that I most definitely think that if there's below-the-table shady deals going on then this is fucked up[/QUOTE]
Why do you keep making posts that have an incredulous tone about this corruption and why do you always generalize and shit people annoyed at this kind of stuff?
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45870272]
quick, everyone stock on doritos and mountain dew while we still can. tomorrow we will be under a dictatorship[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45873675]Why do you keep making posts that have an incredulous tone about this corruption and why do you always generalize and shit people annoyed at this kind of stuff?[/QUOTE]
Because I think the incredibly urgent and dramatic tone of the outrage is incredibly disproportionate
so zoe quinn and her fellowship ddos'd Fine Young Capitalists?
Then bragged about it on twitter?
Did anyone have the common sense to report them to the authorities?
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45873687]Because I think the incredibly urgent and dramatic tone of the outrage is incredibly disproportionate[/QUOTE]
And in the end you just end up looking like a huge asshole who comes into threads to specifically make posts just like that one
much like every other thread on this kind of thing
ever
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;45873733]And in the end you just end up looking like a huge asshole who comes into threads to specifically make posts just like that one
much like every other thread on this kind of thing
ever[/QUOTE]
It's not like Max has ever had good opinions on stuff like this though. Thank god he left the gmod dev team, I bet he'd have gone on one of those big ban sprees that the old mods used to go on when somebody went against their shitty opinions.
If you think Max wouldn't have perma-banned half of us if he was still a mod, you're sorrowfully mistaken.
I was reading my feeds this morning and this came by:
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/01/how-to-attack-a-woman-who-works-in-video-games[/url]
We've got [U]the fucking Guardian[/U] defending Zoë Quinn. When I read the comments this morning I saw people complain about comments being removed. It's fucking mental.
[QUOTE=FPtje;45874191]I was reading my feeds this morning and this came by:
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/01/how-to-attack-a-woman-who-works-in-video-games[/url]
We've got [U]the fucking Guardian[/U] defending Zoë Quinn. When I read the comments this morning I saw people complain about comments being removed. It's fucking mental.[/QUOTE]
The author of that article, Jenn Frank, has ties to Zoe Quinn and Anita.
[url]http://i.imgur.com/HkWh7j2.png[/url]
[QUOTE=Pteradactyl;45874287]The author of that article, Jenn Frank, has ties to Zoe Quinn and Anita.
[url]http://i.imgur.com/HkWh7j2.png[/url][/QUOTE]
This is more fucked up than I thought.
[QUOTE=Pteradactyl;45874287]The author of that article, Jenn Frank, has ties to Zoe Quinn and Anita.
[url]http://i.imgur.com/HkWh7j2.png[/url][/QUOTE]
Someone should send a letter to the editor about this. I'd imagine at a newspaper that's on a level like the Guardian, editors DO tend to care if the credibility of their writers is compromised.
[QUOTE=Vasili;45860447]
This is a bottomless pit.
EDIT
It never ends.[/QUOTE]
All in all that's probably that probably amazes me the most out of this, I thought it would be just the whole five guys deal, then one thing led to another and now we're here.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45873350]
I'll also add that I don't give a shit about Zoe Quinn's sex life but that I most definitely think that if there's below-the-table shady deals going on then this is fucked up[/QUOTE]
Then you're in the same boat as everyone else, nobody cares about the five guys thing or the two greyhound buses, what they care about is the corruptions and shady dealings.
[QUOTE=seano12;45867695]How far does this fucking rabbit hole go?[/QUOTE]
I think we need to redefine the china syndrome
[QUOTE=markg06;45860522]This person says that Silverstring Media is basically in bed with the IGF but on their projects page there's only 6 games and none of them won the top prizes.[/QUOTE]
Quoting this, what do you think about this?
Traffic for gaming news sites currently, taken off twitter.
[t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwiuYmJCIAAWkiF.png:large[/t]
gamasutra fucked up the most because the people that go there want to avoid Kotaku articles.
[editline]2nd September 2014[/editline]
There are a lot of people that don't play games and are not involved in the games industry getting into this for some reason.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45873687]Because I think the incredibly urgent and dramatic tone of the outrage is incredibly disproportionate[/QUOTE]
Unlike the images from img.maxofs2d.net/misc (which is now deleted AGAIN) of anything slightly negative which we are totally urgent and dramatic OMG THEY HURT MAX'S FEELINGS.
I'm honestly glad you're making terrible posts because it means I can start a bet on when you'll be permabanned :v:
[QUOTE=Doritos-pope;45892598]Unlike the images from img.maxofs2d.net/misc (which is now deleted AGAIN) of anything slightly negative which we are totally urgent and dramatic OMG THEY HURT MAX'S FEELINGS.
I'm honestly glad you're making terrible posts because it means I can start a bet on when you'll be permabanned :v:[/QUOTE]
Seeing how long it took for thisisspain and yawmen to be permabanned, I am guessing about a year. And then he will get alts which will also take long to get rid of. NoDachis incredibly stealthy NoDachiUK alt took how long to permaban?
It is like there is nepotism on facepunch
[QUOTE=Doritos-pope;45892598]Unlike the images from img.maxofs2d.net/misc (which is now deleted AGAIN) of anything slightly negative which we are totally urgent and dramatic OMG THEY HURT MAX'S FEELINGS.
I'm honestly glad you're making terrible posts because it means I can start a bet on when you'll be permabanned :v:[/QUOTE]
Max was permabanned shortly before he was modded
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