Mega64: Mass Effect 3 New Ending - General

[QUOTE=rilez;35416388]I guess I'll never understand "the point" then. First "the point" was BioWare deserved to be sued for breaking the law. I bring up the fact they weren't breaking the law. Now "the point" is that people are disappointed there were no consequences. Or that the endings weren't different enough. Or that the endings didn't do this, or that. If "the point" changes every time someone new enters the conversation then what's "the point" of discussing it. I don't see one. All I can see is Derrick waiting for his trophy.[/QUOTE] But you're saying that your choices from the previous 2 games had any impact on the ending in any way, which they simply didn't. If you're trying to say that they had an impact on the color of the ending, which is what I think you're driving at, the fact still remains, they didn't have any impact on the color at all, the color was chosen by a choice just before the ending itself.

My point is simply that people have a legitimate reason to be disappointed. I'll agree that it's over-reacting to take Bioware to court over this, but they definitely didn't deliver on their promises.

[QUOTE=rilez;35415712]Your choices did affect the ending. Whether they affected the ending in a way that satisfied you is another story. Obviously they didn't. Entertainment is subjective. They're not breaking the law because the ending wasn't what you wanted it to be. This is the sense of entitlement that Mega64 just parodied[/QUOTE] actually nothing you do changes the ending like if you didn't play half the game, you got the super bad "you really fucked up" ending its not entitlement when people paid for literally a barely finished game. bioware literally revealed that the ending was a rushed last minute sketch on a legal notepad. imagine if i sent in a paper to my professor like that. something i sketched on a notepad in ten minutes instead of a full paper. i think the professor just feels ENTITLED to get a properly written essay, and should give me an A+ because it's just a paper, and theres no sense of accomplishment to come from reading it.

lol people in here are missing the point all they are making fun of is people that think they [b]deserve[/b] to get a better ending. they never say the ending is good.

Yeah but it doesn't get the point across very well in the first place. To me it seemed like they were putting everyone who didn't like the ending or even criticized it and the 'entitled' gamers in the same bag. Mega64 is p. dumb anyway so why bother

but that's not what they said great job [editline]3rd April 2012[/editline] is it just me that finds it ironic you call them dumb when you miss the point of their video?

Great job missing the part where I said it does a shit job at getting the point across

didn't miss it

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35419992]lol people in here are missing the point all they are making fun of is people that think they [b]deserve[/b] to get a better ending. they never say the ending is good.[/QUOTE] If people pay money they deserve to get what they paid for, please tell me you're not honestly going to try and deny that.

[QUOTE=rilez;35416388]I guess I'll never understand "the point" then. First "the point" was BioWare deserved to be sued for breaking the law. I bring up the fact they weren't breaking the law. Now "the point" is that people are disappointed there were no consequences. Or that the endings weren't different enough. Or that the endings didn't do this, or that. If "the point" changes every time someone new enters the conversation then what's "the point" of discussing it. I don't see one. All I can see is Derrick waiting for his trophy.[/QUOTE] damn you're being a real stubborn jackass in this thread rilez anyway for me the point is that bioware (intentionally?) failed to deliver an ending that was anywhere near the quality of the mass effect series that we've come to expect. to add to this: a) they had said for years that the ending would be much better than it was (don't argue semantics, I'm sick of that shit) b) the ending for something so vast and thoroughly well-crafted is arguable the [I]single most important[/I] aspect of it. the entire thing has been lazy and scummy on their part. and fucking a, the fans have a [B]right[/B] to feel entitled. I'm so fucking sick of people using that word as a pejorative in this context. People have dumped a TON of time, money, and emotional attachment into these games. Why [I]wouldn't[/I] they feel entitled to an ending that seems like the developers gave a fuck?

lol trying to find what it had to do with the ending.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;35420286]If people pay money they deserve to get what they paid for, please tell me you're not honestly going to try and deny that.[/QUOTE] do you deserve an awesome album just because you bought it? you're free to complain, boycott future products, voice your opinion, but to say you deserve a "better ending" just because you paid for the game? [editline]3rd April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kalibos;35420407]damn you're being a real stubborn jackass in this thread rilez anyway for me the point is that bioware (intentionally?) failed to deliver an ending that was anywhere near the quality of the mass effect series that we've come to expect. to add to this: a) they had said for years that the ending would be much better than it was (don't argue semantics, I'm sick of that shit) b) the ending for something so vast and thoroughly well-crafted is arguable the [I]single most important[/I] aspect of it. the entire thing has been lazy and scummy on their part. and fucking a, the fans have a [B]right[/B] to feel entitled. I'm so fucking sick of people using that word as a pejorative in this context. People have dumped a TON of time, money, and emotional attachment into these games. Why [I]wouldn't[/I] they feel entitled to an ending that seems like the developers gave a fuck?[/QUOTE] because you didn't do shit. you played a fucking videogame lol

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35420702]do you deserve an awesome album just because you bought it? you're free to complain, boycott future products, voice your opinion, but to say you deserve a "better ending" just because you paid for the game?[/QUOTE] Get it through your head, nobody is saying they deserve a better ending, people are saying they deserve what they were promised. The ending could be shit for all I care as long as they gave me what they said I would get for my 60 dollars. If they gave me what they advertised, I wouldn't care. [editline]3rd April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Vedicardi;35420702]because you didn't do shit. you played a fucking videogame lol[/QUOTE] We payed for it, without us, they would be broke, they could show a little damn respect for the people who put food on their tables and give them houses. If this was free, you would be absolutely correct, but it's not, we gave them money so they could continue to lie to us.

you don't deserve anything, you bought a game. They obviously do respect the opinions of the people complaining, but it's their game and they can do whatever they want with it. You don't own the story of mass effect just because you participated in it. It's not your story to tell, to decide the ending to. Just compare it to a movie with a kickass trailer that ends up having an ending you don't like or that was contrary to what you assumed would be the ending. Do you demand they remake the movie just because of that? Buying an album or a DVD doesn't give you entitle you to anything other than the experience of that album or DVD regardless of what was promised. peter molyneux is another perfect example of this. he made ridiculous promises for all of his games, but no one made a petition or tried to sue him just because they didn't get exactly what he had said they would. why? because they aren't owed a different game. they bought the game they bought and that's all they're going to get. [editline]4th April 2012[/editline] and you think they actually broke the law. what a joke.

I wasn't mad because I didn't feel good about myself for beating it I was dissappointed in the ending because it didn't make any friggin sense.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35420702]because you didn't do shit. you played a fucking videogame lol[/QUOTE] paid for them, waited for them, became emotionally invested in them, and yes, played them for many hours do you have a point?

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35422103]you don't deserve anything, you bought a game. They obviously do respect the opinions of the people complaining, but it's their game and they can do whatever they want with it. You don't own the story of mass effect just because you participated in it. It's not your story to tell, to decide the ending to.[/QUOTE] Excuse me, but I do recall Bioware saying that the fans have much as a part in development as anything else, nevermind fanon-based theories such as [sp]That Asari bartender being Liara's father[/sp] being put into the game, so in a way, we do end up owning part of the game. Granted, we're not officially Bioware employees, so it means our impact wouldn't have the same sort of effect as anyone in Bioware. And how can you say "It's not your story to tell" when it's pretty much outright stated "It's your story to do"? Granted, it's not like The Sims 2 way of stories, but there's still a reasonable amount of choices in the entire Mass Effect series that allows you to "make" your own story, even if they're just all programmed in already, so when the ending results in all those choices being thrown out for a railroaded three option choice that barely have any difference between any of them, people are obviously gonna be unhappy. [QUOTE]Just compare it to a movie with a kickass trailer that ends up having an ending you don't like or that was contrary to what you assumed would be the ending. Do you demand they remake the movie just because of that? Buying an album or a DVD doesn't give you entitle you to anything other than the experience of that album or DVD regardless of what was promised.[/QUOTE] But a majority of people who hate the ending aren't asking for an entire remake of the game, as a matter of fact one thing alot of people can agree on is that up until the ending the game was great. And need I mention [I]again[/I] that Bioware was constantly being dishonest about the ending by claiming stuff like "It won't be like LOST", "Choices matter.", "It won't leave more questions than answers" and so on. "Regardless of what was promised"? If it was something as small as maybe some sort of game mechanic (Those vaccum tubes meant to be in Portal 2 that had it's own trailer.) that could be an easy pass, but this is the [I]ending.[/I] That isn't something small enough to ignore, especially after the constant dishonest remarks Hudson and others constantly made. [QUOTE]peter molyneux is another perfect example of this. he made ridiculous promises for all of his games, but no one made a petition or tried to sue him just because they didn't get exactly what he had said they would. why? because they aren't owed a different game. they bought the game they bought and that's all they're going to get.[/QUOTE] As I recall, Molyneux atleast makes announcements before the game is released surmounting to "Sorry, so and so won't be in the game because we couldn't do it, we tried something that was far beyond our reaches." and Bioware never did that, they just kept saying that the ending was going to be awesome and that it was going to meet everyone's expectations and then we got [I]that.[/I] And yes, nobody's owed as completely different game, but a different ending should be considered, especially considering the whole disaster caused by the ending. [editline]4th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE]and you think they actually broke the law. what a joke.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously implying [I]everyone[/I] who disliked the ending thinks Bioware broke the law? See, look at what you're doing - you're constantly accusing the entirety of the group of people as following a singular ideal (Throwing off buzzwords such as "entitled" aswell.) without possibly contemplating that not everyone in that group will be like that - basing it off of the portrayal of said group by sites such as IGN and others. (Most of which have changed their tunes when they realized that they were wrong.)

[QUOTE=rilez;35415712] Entertainment is subjective. [/QUOTE] Subjectivity can go suck a dick when people pay for a product, I could say that whether a tv that only plays static is working is subjective because technically its showing a picture, its just not hte picture that I want.

You have every single right to complain about a product, but calling the Better Business Bureau over something fucking trivial as a terrible ending to a game is fucking stupid. If you had your lives threatened by buying a food product or had working/living conditions that could kill you, i would expect a reaction like this. A healthy life is entitled to you as well as a disappointment in something. You are not entitled to take extreme measures over something that is as trivial as a bad ending to a piece of media that someone else wanted to make. Shut the fuck up.

[QUOTE=Kalibos;35424145]paid for them, waited for them, became emotionally invested in them, and yes, played them for many hours do you have a point?[/QUOTE] yeah you didn't do shit. you deserve something because you waited for it? I'm emotionally invested in Metallica but they keep putting out shit albums I'm not gonna demand they fix their music [editline]4th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Blooper Reel;35425682]Excuse me, but I do recall Bioware saying that the fans have much as a part in development as anything else, nevermind fanon-based theories such as [sp]That Asari bartender being Liara's father[/sp] being put into the game, so in a way, we do end up owning part of the game. Granted, we're not officially Bioware employees, so it means our impact wouldn't have the same sort of effect as anyone in Bioware. And how can you say "It's not your story to tell" when it's pretty much outright stated "It's your story to do"? Granted, it's not like The Sims 2 way of stories, but there's still a reasonable amount of choices in the entire Mass Effect series that allows you to "make" your own story, even if they're just all programmed in already, so when the ending results in all those choices being thrown out for a railroaded three option choice that barely have any difference between any of them, people are obviously gonna be unhappy. But a majority of people who hate the ending aren't asking for an entire remake of the game, as a matter of fact one thing alot of people can agree on is that up until the ending the game was great. And need I mention [I]again[/I] that Bioware was constantly being dishonest about the ending by claiming stuff like "It won't be like LOST", "Choices matter.", "It won't leave more questions than answers" and so on. "Regardless of what was promised"? If it was something as small as maybe some sort of game mechanic (Those vaccum tubes meant to be in Portal 2 that had it's own trailer.) that could be an easy pass, but this is the [I]ending.[/I] That isn't something small enough to ignore, especially after the constant dishonest remarks Hudson and others constantly made. As I recall, Molyneux atleast makes announcements before the game is released surmounting to "Sorry, so and so won't be in the game because we couldn't do it, we tried something that was far beyond our reaches." and Bioware never did that, they just kept saying that the ending was going to be awesome and that it was going to meet everyone's expectations and then we got [I]that.[/I] And yes, nobody's owed as completely different game, but a different ending should be considered, especially considering the whole disaster caused by the ending. [editline]4th April 2012[/editline] Are you seriously implying [I]everyone[/I] who disliked the ending thinks Bioware broke the law? See, look at what you're doing - you're constantly accusing the entirety of the group of people as following a singular ideal (Throwing off buzzwords such as "entitled" aswell.) without possibly contemplating that not everyone in that group will be like that - basing it off of the portrayal of said group by sites such as IGN and others. (Most of which have changed their tunes when they realized that they were wrong.)[/QUOTE] 1. yes clearly fans have an impact but ultimately it's still not your story. It's your story to experience but ultimately every game at its core is the same. You go to the same planets, experience the same events, etc. The whole game only presents the illusion of choice. For example you can get nearly everyone killed in ME2, that doesn't change anything in ME3 other than who you interact with as well as a few bonuses etc. The story is still ultimately the same with usually one or two variations. 2. Well they've already said they're working on something comparable to a new ending so isn't that problem solved? I've always said I don't like the fact Bioware lied about how much the ending would rap up, but it was their ending to make. I'm not saying ignore it, but to be so adamant on them completely changing the ending is a bit over the top in my eyes. 3. I don't remember him ever saying anything like that. And again, they are making an additional ending, so there you go? 4. I was just referring to the one guy I had been quoting who said earlier in the page that they had broken the law, not everyone. there you go

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but has it actually been stated that the big thing they're working one is a new ending? I can understand the whole "It's their ending" thing, but it depends on what you're actually believing regarding what happened with the ending's development. Considering the apparent statement by one Bioware employee that the ending was done by only Hudson with no feedback or response in a single afternoon, it could be a bit problematic, but proper proof of that would be needed. And if the big thing is a new ending or whatever, that's cool, but there's still going to be the fact that Bioware was still being dishonest if all their claims about the ending only lead up to the current one, and I suspect some people will still be sore over that.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35422103]you don't deserve anything, you bought a game. They obviously do respect the opinions of the people complaining, but it's their game and they can do whatever they want with it. You don't own the story of mass effect just because you participated in it. It's not your story to tell, to decide the ending to. Just compare it to a movie with a kickass trailer that ends up having an ending you don't like or that was contrary to what you assumed would be the ending. Do you demand they remake the movie just because of that? Buying an album or a DVD doesn't give you entitle you to anything other than the experience of that album or DVD regardless of what was promised. peter molyneux is another perfect example of this. he made ridiculous promises for all of his games, but no one made a petition or tried to sue him just because they didn't get exactly what he had said they would. why? because they aren't owed a different game. they bought the game they bought and that's all they're going to get. [editline]4th April 2012[/editline] and you think they actually broke the law. what a joke.[/QUOTE] You still don't fucking get it, it's a simple concept, I don't give a fuck about the ending, for the 30th fucking time, they can do what they want with it, I care that they blatantly lied to us through their teeth, get it through your fucking head for once.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;35428956]You still don't fucking get it, it's a simple concept, I don't give a fuck about the ending, for the 30th fucking time, they can do what they want with it, I care that they blatantly lied to us through their teeth, get it through your fucking head for once.[/QUOTE] So the guy points out that a lot of people make a bunch of outlandish, unfulfilled claims about their product(s) and you try to contradict him with the fact that someone made an outlandish, unfulfilled claim? This is why i don't take you people seriously. People do this all of the time yet rarely does someone go to this extreme because someone made that claim.

[QUOTE=megafat;35429102]So the guy points out that a lot of people make a bunch of outlandish, unfulfilled claims about their product(s) and you try to contradict him with the fact that someone made an outlandish, unfulfilled claim? This is why i don't take you people seriously. People do this all of the time yet rarely does someone go to this extreme because someone made that claim.[/QUOTE] When they advertise something as the primary selling point for the game and then outright don't give it to us, that's not outlandish.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;35429303]When they advertise something as the primary selling point for the game and then outright don't give it to us, that's not outlandish.[/QUOTE] You really don't understand advertising do you? Advertising is used to make things look good. Just look at all the fast food ads or the deodorant ads. The ads for those products make them look amazing but most of the time the product is half assed. The reason that you were disappointed in the advertising for Mass Effect 3 was because they were making their product look as good as it could and it wasn't what you expected. If you're going to complain about unfulfilled advertising, complain about the way Peter Molyneux sells his games.

It's about the journey, not the destination. At least for me.

[QUOTE=megafat;35429403]You really don't understand advertising do you? Advertising is used to make things look good. Just look at all the fast food ads or the deodorant ads. The ads for those products make them look amazing but most of the time the product is half asses. The reason that you were disappointed in the advertising for Mass Effect 3 was because they were making their product look as good as it could and it wasn't what you expected. If you're going to complain about unfulfilled advertising, complain about the way Peter Molyneux sells his games.[/QUOTE] Okay, I'm not going to make a legal argument, but that's bullshit. Peter Monlyneux makes promises that aren't fulfilled, yeah, but they aren't fulfilled because he was just blowing shit out his ass. He actually tried to do the crazy shit he talked about and inevitably ends up failing horribly. What I'm saying is that the bullshit he says is exaggerated to the nth degree, but it's an exaggeration of something true. Saying "The endings won't be A, B, and C" and "You won't just find a magic reaper off button", and then having the endings be A, B, and C with a magic reaper off button is either [I][U]massive[/U][/I] incompetence or outright lying to your audience.

I don't think fan's are overreacting. Mass Effect is one of those series where once you spend a long amount of time playing each game, you become emotionally attached to it. Sometimes life can be so dull and here comes along a type of game, movie, even t.v series that completely drags you in and engrosses you. When you are dealing with the ending of a massive game series that meant so much to so many fans and you did it with such poor quality of course you are going to get this reaction. You basically just ruined any type of proper closure to something that has been dear to a lot of fans hearts. Now I am sure somebody who doesn't care much about the series (like mega64) and can just dismiss it has the fans overreacting, but they don't really understand. Bioware basically just committed a crime to the artform that is story telling.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;35429534]Okay, I'm not going to make a legal argument, but that's bullshit. Peter Monlyneux makes promises that aren't fulfilled, yeah, but they aren't fulfilled because he was just blowing shit out his ass. He actually tried to do the crazy shit he talked about and inevitably ends up failing horribly. What I'm saying is that the bullshit he says is exaggerated to the nth degree, but it's an exaggeration of something true. Saying "The endings won't be A, B, and C" and "You won't just find a magic reaper off button", and then having the endings be A, B, and C with a magic reaper off button is either [I][U]massive[/U][/I] incompetence or outright lying to your audience.[/QUOTE] The team behind Mass Effect probably thought that they had achieved what they had planned but to the outside community it looked incompetent. They probably could have been more thorough when they were writing it, but that doesn't mean that people have to treat them like shit and act like a bunch of cunts. Don't get me wrong, there have been plenty of times where i have been pissed of due to false advertising or claims of something that wasn't. You have a right to be angry, just don't take your aggression out the wrong way. But yeah, having an "A", "B" and "C" ending when it was promised otherwise is bullshit. [QUOTE=BenJammin';35429706]I don't think fan's are overreacting. Mass Effect is one of those series where once you spend a long amount of time playing each game, you become emotionally attached to it. Sometimes life can be so dull and here comes along a type of game, movie, even t.v series that completely drags you in and engrosses you. When you are dealing with the ending of a massive game series that meant so much to so many fans and you did it with such poor quality of course you are going to get this reaction. You basically just ruined any type of proper closure to something that has been dear to a lot of fans hearts. Now I am sure somebody who doesn't care much about the series (like mega64) and can just dismiss it has the fans overreacting, but they don't really understand. Bioware basically just committed a crime to the artform that is story telling.[/QUOTE] Crime? The creators of Lost promised something amazing but failed to do so. They even claimed that they planned it out right to the ending. Why aren't people pissed at them? The Mega64 guys love Lost and they didn't overreact.

[QUOTE=megafat;35429765] Crime? The creators of Lost promised something amazing but failed to do so. They even claimed that they planned it out right to the ending. Why aren't people pissed at them? The Mega64 guys love Lost and they didn't overreact.[/QUOTE] I honestly don't think the lost ending was as poor and anti-climatic as the mass effect endings. Anyways, in Mass Effect, I think people were expecting something more epic and satisfying. Not some terribly written horseshit.