[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;35427379]Pardon me if I'm wrong, but has it actually been stated that the big thing they're working one is a new ending?
I can understand the whole "It's their ending" thing, but it depends on what you're actually believing regarding what happened with the ending's development. Considering the apparent statement by one Bioware employee that the ending was done by only Hudson with no feedback or response in a single afternoon, it could be a bit problematic, but proper proof of that would be needed.
And if the big thing is a new ending or whatever, that's cool, but there's still going to be the fact that Bioware was still being dishonest if all their claims about the ending only lead up to the current one, and I suspect some people will still be sore over that.[/QUOTE]
yeah they're working on DLC. they announced it a few weeks ago. It's not a new ending, the events won't change, but you'll see more of the surrounding events and thus get more closure.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35430079]yeah they're working on DLC. they announced it a few weeks ago. It's not a new ending, the events won't change, but you'll see more of the surrounding events and thus get more closure.[/QUOTE]
how can you fix this
this is like trying to fit a walrus into a matchbox, I don't care how hard you push or how much lubricant you apply, it won't ever fit it's a fucking walrus
[QUOTE=BenJammin';35429867]I honestly don't think the lost ending was as poor and anti-climatic as the mass effect endings. Anyways, in Mass Effect, I think people were expecting something more epic and satisfying. Not some terribly written horseshit.[/QUOTE]
And Lost fans were expecting more but didn't get it but I don't see them saying the writers broke the law
the only ones mega64 are talking about in this video are the ones that filed a BBB complaint and actually said they didn't feel rewarded for what they have done. They are not talking about EVERYONE that doesn't like the ending, just the people that feel entitled to an ending that is more "emotionally rewarding"
[editline]4th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;35430111]how can you fix this
this is like trying to fit a walrus into a matchbox, I don't care how hard you push or how much lubricant you apply, it won't ever fit it's a fucking walrus[/QUOTE]
who said anything about fixing anything.
[QUOTE=megafat;35429765]The team behind Mass Effect probably thought that they had achieved what they had planned but to the outside community it looked incompetent. They probably could have been more thorough when they were writing it, but that doesn't mean that people have to treat them like shit and act like a bunch of cunts.
Don't get me wrong, there have been plenty of times where i have been pissed of due to false advertising or claims of something that wasn't. You have a right to be angry, just don't take your aggression out the wrong way.
But yeah, having an "A", "B" and "C" ending when it was promised otherwise is bullshit.
Crime? The creators of Lost promised something amazing but failed to do so. They even claimed that they planned it out right to the ending. Why aren't people pissed at them? The Mega64 guys love Lost and they didn't overreact.[/QUOTE]
The difference is that the Lost ending was bad by opinion, some people don't care about cliffhangers. With ME3 Bioware SPECIFICALLY in advertising said that your choices through all 3 games would affect the outcome of the 3rd one. The simple FACT of the matter is, they didn't affect it at all, not even in the slightest by no stretch of the imagination. That is blatant false advertising, which is illegal.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;35429534]Okay, I'm not going to make a legal argument, but that's bullshit.
Peter Monlyneux makes promises that aren't fulfilled, yeah, but they aren't fulfilled because he was just blowing shit out his ass. He actually tried to do the crazy shit he talked about and inevitably ends up failing horribly.
What I'm saying is that the bullshit he says is exaggerated to the nth degree, but it's an exaggeration of something true.
Saying "The endings won't be A, B, and C" and "You won't just find a magic reaper off button", and then having the endings be A, B, and C with a magic reaper off button is either [I][U]massive[/U][/I] incompetence or outright lying to your audience.[/QUOTE]
and peter said there would be a fleshed out morals system for EVERY fable game that "isn't just black and white" when it's exactly that. it's not any different.
and you are just assuming they didn't try to do what they promised and intentionally lied to sell more copies or something.
[editline]4th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;35430156]The difference is that the Lost ending was bad by opinion, some people don't care about cliffhangers. With ME3 Bioware SPECIFICALLY in advertising said that your choices through all 3 games would affect the outcome of the 3rd one. The simple FACT of the matter is, they didn't affect it at all, not even in the slightest by no stretch of the imagination. That is blatant false advertising, which is illegal.[/QUOTE]
you're literally wrong
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35430167]and peter said there would be a fleshed out morals system for EVERY fable game that "isn't just black and white" when it's exactly that. it's not any different.
and you are just assuming they didn't try to do what they promised and intentionally lied to sell more copies or something.
[editline]4th April 2012[/editline]
you're literally wrong[/QUOTE]
How am I wrong?
your choices have a literal effect on the literal meter that literally changes what ending you get. it's a very arbitrary way for them to make choices effect the ending but the fact is, it does
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35430274]your choices have a literal effect on the literal meter that literally changes what ending you get. it's a very arbitrary way for them to make choices effect the ending but the fact is, it does[/QUOTE]
That meter does not change the ending you get, the ending is only affected by the choice you make just before the ending itself, all the things that the choices affect happen before the ending.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35430352]again, literally wrong
[url]http://www.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/Endings[/url][/QUOTE]
Yes and? That only affects what's leading up to the ending, not the ending itself.
what? you can see exactly how the number correlates to what ending you get depending on your score.
[editline]4th April 2012[/editline]
you could've at least looked at it before making an ignorant response
I am just going to say the Mass Effect 3 ending was stupid, and the people who made it were stupid, and I feel bad for the fans that trusted them to make something better. And the fans have a right to be angry, and the developers should feel ashamed. Let this be an example to any other developer as to how you can fuck up the seriousness of an entire series with one retarded ending. And I think the reason people might be overreacting is that this whole fiasco is a good reflection on how shitty the industry is today, and is not only a reaction to the game ending but the snapping point of gamers frustrated with how many developers and companies are fucking up. I am glad people are this vocal about it, because I think the industry needs a slap to the face.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35426072]Subjectivity can go suck a dick when people pay for a product, I could say that whether a tv that only plays static is working is subjective because technically its showing a picture, its just not hte picture that I want.[/QUOTE]
When your TV doesn't look right, you return it and get a new one. You don't threaten legal action because it didn't work correctly
[QUOTE=BenJammin';35430980]I am just going to say the Mass Effect 3 ending was stupid, and the people who made it were stupid, and I feel bad for the fans that trusted them to make something better. And the fans have a right to be angry, and the developers should feel ashamed. Let this be an example to any other developer as to how you can fuck up the seriousness of an entire series with one retarded ending. And I think the reason people might be overreacting is that this whole fiasco is a good reflection on how shitty the industry is today, and is not only a reaction to the game ending but the snapping point of gamers frustrated with how many developers and companies are fucking up. I am glad people are this vocal about it, because I think the industry needs a slap to the face.[/QUOTE]
no one said anything about complaining, just entitlement. it has more to do with spergy fans than it does the industry
[QUOTE=rilez;35431062]When your TV doesn't look right, you return it and get a new one. You don't threaten legal action because it didn't work correctly[/QUOTE]
And what if the company says you aren't allowed to return the product?
it's your fault for not knowing the return policy. you knew the risk when you bought it.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;35431382]And what if the company says you aren't allowed to return the product?[/QUOTE]
Then that's their return policy, which you agree to follow when you buy the product. That's nothing new.
Not like that matters because Amazon and Origin offered refunds for ME3.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35430167]and peter said there would be a fleshed out morals system for EVERY fable game that "isn't just black and white" when it's exactly that. it's not any different.
and you are just assuming they didn't try to do what they promised and intentionally lied to sell more copies or something.[/QUOTE]
What is the explanation, then? Why would they play on all these promises on how ME3 would deliver the ultimate wrap-up to the story you have been specifically altering the past 2 games? I don't think anyone would have objected to pushing the game back a few more months if it meant the fanbase wouldn't get completely shat on at the climax, or were they just too eager to make more money?
I guess with how ME2 had nothing but cameos from the first (rachni queen's messenger, wrex as the clan warlord, completely meaningless emails from past adventures, etc.) we should have expected something as shallow as what we got.
[QUOTE=rilez;35431518]Then that's their return policy, which you agree to follow when you buy the product. That's nothing new.
Not like that matters because Amazon and Origin offered refunds for ME3.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that it's unfair that you can't return it, I understand the problem with returning digital products, but what I'm saying is that you can't compare the betrayal you feel when you were lied to about a TV so you get your money back and when you were lied to about a game and you can't.
[QUOTE=Errorproxy;35429408]It's about the journey, not the destination.
At least for me.[/QUOTE]
The destination makes the journey feel useless. You did all these things because you wanted to feel the effects, but there fucking weren't any at least not any true ones.
I just listened to the podcast, they said they were making fun of people who think they actually achieved something and think they deserve something better than what they got.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35427183]yeah you didn't do shit. you deserve something because you waited for it?[/QUOTE]
i still don't understand what the implication of "you didn't do anything" is.
and yes, and more to the point, because the fans are the ones that pay their salaries. if they care about their customers (which they claim to) they should feel obligated to craft something that's up to the standards they've set (which is painfully clear for anyone to see that they didn't)
[QUOTE=ghosevil;35434505]What is the explanation, then? Why would they play on all these promises on how ME3 would deliver the ultimate wrap-up to the story you have been specifically altering the past 2 games? I don't think anyone would have objected to pushing the game back a few more months if it meant the fanbase wouldn't get completely shat on at the climax, or were they just too eager to make more money?
I guess with how ME2 had nothing but cameos from the first (rachni queen's messenger, wrex as the clan warlord, completely meaningless emails from past adventures, etc.) we should have expected something as shallow as what we got.[/QUOTE]
I don't give a shit I liked the ending
[editline]5th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;35435288]I'm not saying that it's unfair that you can't return it, I understand the problem with returning digital products, but what I'm saying is that you can't compare the betrayal you feel when you were lied to about a TV so you get your money back and when you were lied to about a game and you can't.[/QUOTE]
did you not read his post. You CAN return ME3. christ.
"Not like that matters because Amazon and Origin offered refunds for ME3."
honestly.
[editline]5th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kalibos;35437761]i still don't understand what the implication of "you didn't do anything" is.
and yes, and more to the point, because the fans are the ones that pay their salaries. if they care about their customers (which they claim to) they should feel obligated to craft something that's up to the standards they've set (which is painfully clear for anyone to see that they didn't)[/QUOTE]
its your choice to support them. if you dont like what they made dont pay for it.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35437913]its your choice to support them. if you dont like what they made dont pay for it.[/QUOTE]
*sigh*
we DO like what they've made. the mass effect games are fantastic, individually and as a series. that's why people support them. that's why peoples' feathers are so ruffled about this and why we're having this conversation. the finale of the entire series, however, is nowhere near the level of quality of the rest. it's dumb (canonically), it's shallow, it's lazy, and it's sloppy.
at this point I feel like I'm just being forced to rehash things and I don't know how I can make this simple argument any clearer - and I refuse to degenerate into these obscure analogies and metaphors that people are so fond of doing - so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but... seriously. fuck.
well if you feel that way don't support them. i get what you're saying but the solution is pretty simple
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35437913]I don't give a shit I liked the ending.[/QUOTE] I don't give a shit, I didn't like the ending. Let's take a poll, on a per-authorized account basis, that counts who gives a shit and who doesn't.
if you don't care why are you asking for an explanation
Sorry: I don't give a shit that YOU don't give a shit as this is between the directors and the audience. Bioware ruined (or blatantly lied about from the start and continued to lie about until release) what Mass Effect 3 was supposed to have in store for us.
I would like to know which.
[editline]5th April 2012[/editline]
Like I said, I shouldn't be caring as much as I do considering how Mass-Effect 2 incorporated the bits from the first game.
[url]http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Save_File_Transfer[/url]
(cameo upon cameo)
uh alright?
i dont think its fundamentally possible to "ruin" your own intellectual property but whatever works. yeah we all know they lied to the fans but they made what they made and that's all there is to it. no one judges games like mario 64 based on the promise made leading up to release but the game on its own. all of this will be forgotten in a few years (provided bioware somehow "redeems" itself which is admittedly unlikely at this point (where for no particular good reason it has become a "thing" to hate anything they make) when that trend is over though, assuming it will end and not become a regular thing in the same vein of George Lucas hatred, this will be forgotten).
my point is games should be judged by the content of the game not the people who released it or published it or the press around it.
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