[QUOTE=etrius0023;49188209]Have you actually watched Hannibal?
The first half of Season 1 might seem reminiscent of CSI but the 2nd half of S1 plus S2 and S3 are 90% focused on the development of the main characters and progression of the story rather than case a week shit.[/QUOTE]
Uhh yea, I loved Hannibal(mainly Mad's performance). I'm talking about [B]quality[/B]. Hannibal was a basic cable TV show and at times it [I]really[/I] showed. It had an amazing style at times akin to an HBO show like True Detective(season 1 :smug:) and other times it had segments that felt completely bland, generic, and totally detached from said style that you would expect from a terrible cookie cutter show like a CSI or NCIS. I still really enjoyed it's short lived run despite it's issues.
Daredevil doesn't have that issue. DD set its style and stayed true to it throughout the season.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;49188289]Uhh yea, I loved Hannibal(mainly Mad's performance). I'm talking about [B]quality[/B]. Hannibal was a basic cable TV show and at times it [I]really[/I] showed. It had an amazing style at times akin to an HBO show like True Detective(season 1 :smug:) and other times it had segments that felt completely bland, generic, and totally detached from said style that you would expect from a terrible cookie cutter show like a CSI or NCIS. I still really enjoyed it's short lived run despite it's issues.
Daredevil doesn't have that issue. DD set its style and stayed true to it throughout the season.[/QUOTE]
DD was more consistent, sure. But it was also consistently bland and uninventive (although considering the subject matter maybe that's an unfair criticism).
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;49186032]Regardless of discussions about quality, Daredevil isn't anything like any of the MCU movies stylistically.[/QUOTE]
It's very Batman beginsy [sp]but with actual characters[/sp]
[QUOTE=Rossy167;49184173]So I'm sorry I'm not a Marvel comics dude so I don't know the original story. But when it comes to government supervision it seems totally out of Captain America's character to not accept it and totally out of Stark's character to accept it.
Am I missing something?
I know Bucky and everything, but eh. I don't see it.[/QUOTE]
[sp]Captain America never endorsed government control/supervision even before he found about Hydra. He voices his concerns about the Helicarriers when Fury first shows them to him.[/sp]
[QUOTE=etrius0023;49188209]Have you actually watched Hannibal?
The first half of Season 1 might seem reminiscent of CSI but the 2nd half of S1 plus S2 and S3 are 90% focused on the development of the main characters and progression of the story rather than case a week shit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=-nesto-;49188289]Uhh yea, I loved Hannibal(mainly Mad's performance). I'm talking about [B]quality[/B]. Hannibal was a basic cable TV show and at times it [I]really[/I] showed. It had an amazing style at times akin to an HBO show like True Detective(season 1 :smug:) and other times it had segments that felt completely bland, generic, and totally detached from said style that you would expect from a terrible cookie cutter show like a CSI or NCIS. I still really enjoyed it's short lived run despite it's issues.
Daredevil doesn't have that issue. DD set its style and stayed true to it throughout the season.[/QUOTE]
And not even the first season really. I just think it can be hard to get into, and I was almost weirded out by the special crime scene reconstruction thing, which turns out to be a pretty scary and cool reoccurring thing. And that Will Graham is technically just another "special-hired investigator" but definitely not your usual one like the "Mentalist" or "Facebones" where someone can tell who's bad by looking at their facial expressions or smth. Hannibal is [B]definitely[/B] not the likes of those.
Plus, like all the "weekly crime-cases" (which could hardly be described as such) that happens in Hannibal all have very much to do with the main story, as in [sp]Hannibal fucking around and manipulating literally everyone's mind throughout.[/sp]
So where the hell does all this bring us again? I'd say they're roughly around equal, which one is more or slightly less quality I don't think anyone even gives a shit. I haven't even seen Dd apart from 1/4th of an episode, so I'm not exactly the one to speak, but I doubt neither are perfect, or clearly superior from one another.
And nesto, surely you don't "really enjoy" CSI/NCIS "despite their issues" as well, like you had to endure with Hannibal? Does that even make any sense?
[editline]26th November 2015[/editline]
As for what the entire thread is actually/mostly about, which is the MCU, always keeping an eye on anything that interests me about it. I don't like/watch all of them.
Iron Man seems to be losing which is sad. I hate Captain America and his boy scout attitude.
I want cap to win, tony's a cunt.
Am I the only one who wants them to kiss and make up? Metaphorically, even.
I hope it's not just something like Hydra pulling the strings.
Is Banner not going to be in this movie? I thought it would be a perfect fit considering [sp]his fight with Iron Man basically destroyed an entire city. I thought he would be one of the main supporters of this act[/sp]
[QUOTE=Novangel;49194599]I hope it's not just something like Hydra pulling the strings.[/QUOTE]
It's always hydra pulling the strings.
[QUOTE=Snood_1990;49185002]I reaaalllyy need to see The Winter Soldier.
I've heard it's one of the better Marvel films out there.[/QUOTE]
It's one of the few action movies I've watched where the pacing feels just right.
Rate winner if you're Team Cap (cuz he's a war hero)
Rate useful if you're Team Iron Man (cuz he works with tools)
[QUOTE=Source;49194304]I want cap to win, tony's a cunt.[/QUOTE]Tony is awesome, he always tries to win and bend the situation in his favour. He's demonstrates that a mortal can hold his own against the gods. He also shows people can change and lets not forget that he invented and his way out of a cave terrorist, he's the ultimate problem solver.
Captain America can't see the world in anything other than black and white, right and wrong. He just follows orders like any soldier. He thinks he's the good guy but he usually ends up a pawn in someone else's game. He constantly needs the help of other people. That said the Captain America 2 movie is still pretty good.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;49194914]Tony is awesome, he always tries to win and bend the situation in his favour. He's demonstrates that a mortal can hold his own against the gods. He also shows people can change and lets not forget that he invented and his way out of a cave terrorist, he's the ultimate problem solver.
Captain America can't see the world in anything other than black and white, right and wrong. He just follows orders like any soldier. He thinks he's the good guy but he usually ends up a pawn in someone else's game. He constantly needs the help of other people. That said the Captain America 2 movie is still pretty good.[/QUOTE]
It's like you haven't watched Winter Soldier, he far from just a soldier
[QUOTE=Snood_1990;49185002]I reaaalllyy need to see The Winter Soldier.
I've heard it's one of the better Marvel films out there.[/QUOTE]
It knocked Tony Stark off the position of my favorite character in the MCU, and firmly planted Steve Rogers in his place. I love origin stories, and that's why Iron Man 1 is my fave movie, but Winter Soldier is right behind it as best movie thus far.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;49194914]Tony is awesome, he always tries to win and bend the situation in his favour. He's demonstrates that a mortal can hold his own against the gods. He also shows people can change and lets not forget that he invented and his way out of a cave terrorist, he's the ultimate problem solver.
Captain America can't see the world in anything other than black and white, right and wrong. He just follows orders like any soldier. He thinks he's the good guy but he usually ends up a pawn in someone else's game. He constantly needs the help of other people. That said the Captain America 2 movie is still pretty good.[/QUOTE]
Nah he's still a self righteous narcissistic cuntbag, who takes no responsibility for his actions, how the hell can you think that he's got a better moral compass than Cap, he hasn't.
[QUOTE=Source;49195956]Nah he's still a self righteous narcissistic cuntbag, who takes no responsibility for his actions, how the hell can you think that he's got a better moral compass than Cap, he hasn't.[/QUOTE] I'm on the side of the guy who risked his own life to stop millions of people from getting nuked. He doesn't dwell on his mistakes, he looks for solutions. Yes he shows off, but he knows how to play the game and win, Captain America just lashes out and lectures people on his black and white views.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;49195372]It's like you haven't watched Winter Soldier, he far from just a soldier[/QUOTE]If Fury hadn't clued him in, he'd still be working for Hydra.
In Iron Man 2 he is basically trying to be the one man army, "I am your nuclear deterrent." as he puts it, he hoards his tech, and figures any big problems he can just show up for and resolve himself. But when Avengers comes around he is faced with the reality that he cannot possibly be the only one to save everyone, that even their small team is barely enough to cut it when something like that happens again, and that there are far bigger and badder things than they dreamed of, than just a guy with a suit like his or some terrorists with a superweapon. [sp]Hence the creation of Ultron. He wanted to have a system in place that could respond and control a situation when the Avengers couldn't, or when it was just too big of a task for the Avengers. And after the battle with the Hulk in Avengers 2, realizing that if for some reason one of them went rogue or out of control, it would cause mass devastation.[/sp] The problem with Rogers is he has that "American Exceptionalism" idea practically coded in to his genetics, he can't understand that he just can't do it all, or that his small team can't do it all, and he tries to see the best in everyone and find a good side to every situation. Rogers wants to take the entire burden on to just him and his team, and doesn't see the infeasibility in that or the danger in that, he is self-less and optimistic to a fault. Stark is a pessimist or a realist to Rogers's optimism.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;49196163]he looks for solutions[/QUOTE]
His solution almost destroyed the entire planet
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;49195372]It's like you haven't watched Winter Soldier, he far from just a soldier[/QUOTE]
Like, okay, you don't even need to watch Winter Soldier, you just need to read any Captain America comic published past World War II.
Captain America is probably the greatest case of repurposing a character. What started as WWII propaganda eventually became a way for the original Marvel writers to establish that the Marvel world was way bigger than we know and reconnect Captain America with a changing America with one single stroke.
It'd be so easy to keep Steve the gung-ho patriotic fella he was in the 30's, but over the past few decades he's become a hotbed for experimentation: some good (like when he responded to the hippie movement by dropping his mantle and becoming someone else, as he felt that the government that led America no longer represented the ideals of America) and some bad (like when someone brought up the fact that Cap doesn't know what Myspace is as a way to show he's disconnected to then-current America).
Heck, right now in comics the Captain America mantle has shifted to the hands of Sam Wilson, a way of representing that America is more than just a white, blonde guy. And that was even one of the best changes of the past years in comics, especially when compared to the shit show that was the whole female Thor storyline ('Who is the new Thor? We're telling you it's [I]not[/I] Jane Foster!' -10 issues later- 'We lied it is Jane and it makes no sense.')
I love both characters for different reasons.
Cap stands for freedom and righteousness. He ultimately believes our strength lies within each other and trust. He's seen the darkest sides of man and survived and he's never questioned his morals more than when things get turned on him with hydra. He realizes the villains are too big and too powerful and too quiet to be faced head on, or with giant armies.
Tony is a reformed alcoholic who at the very least is pragmatic. He knows one man isn't enough and he knows how dangerous he is, let alone other people. The source of his fears are his insights into himself. He knows how dangerous anyone can be if they try hard enough. The ultron event gave him perspective, which gives him the desire to aid in being controlled. He ultimately doesn't see his freedom as the end game because of how it harmed those around him before.
Both have interesting motives formed by character arcs that see a lot more than black and white at any point.
Cap is a quick thinking leader who knows how to survive to fight the right battles. Tony is a genius who can think his way out of his problems but he's dangerous when he does so and that scares him deep down.
Captain reflects strength and willpower in all of us. Tony reflects the human need to survive, not just as a person but as a species.
That's my take anyways.
Cap seems more like a character that builds on morality and all that while Tony is more of a psychologically complicated character, I'm not a big marvel fan by any means but I like them both, they're both relateable and interesting in their own ways.
If I were to have a beer at the pub with one of them it'd have to be cap, I just feel like I'd more easily get a long with him. Also Chris Evans is hot.
It's surprising to see how many people believe Cap was ever just a mindless follow-orders tool of the government. One of my favorite lines about patriotism comes from a Captain America comic, wherein he says patriotism is not about blindly supporting your country's government, it's about knowing what your country could be, what it should be, and doing what it takes to get it there. He was manipulated into supporting Hydra under the guise of SHIELD, but not out a lack of questioning or blind loyalty, it was just a very well kept secret.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;49197322]It's surprising to see how many people believe Cap was ever just a mindless follow-orders tool of the government. One of my favorite lines about patriotism comes from a Captain America comic, wherein he says patriotism is not about blindly supporting your country's government, it's about knowing what your country could be, what it should be, and doing what it takes to get it there. He was manipulated into supporting Hydra under the guise of SHIELD, but not out a lack of questioning or blind loyalty, it was just a very well kept secret.[/QUOTE]
I would wager that 75% of the people familiar with Cap as a character don't actually read the comics.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;49197322]It's surprising to see how many people believe Cap was ever just a mindless follow-orders tool of the government. One of my favorite lines about patriotism comes from a Captain America comic, wherein he says patriotism is not about blindly supporting your country's government, it's about knowing what your country could be, what it should be, and doing what it takes to get it there. He was manipulated into supporting Hydra under the guise of SHIELD, but not out a lack of questioning or blind loyalty, it was just a very well kept secret.[/QUOTE]
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