[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48669604]Do you really get that hurt by trash talk in a videogame?[/QUOTE]
not everyone has thick skin?? just because it's a video game doesn't mean you HAVE to act like a dick to others when they're performing badly even if you're frustrated
[QUOTE=Keychain;48669683]I don't understand why people are suddenly acting like trash-talking in a game is justifiable. Sure, you can set them to ignore, but assuming they get their shit together sometime during the game, you won't be able to communicate with them as easily. It's a lose-lose situation.
One of the biggest reasons why a lot of people don't play mobas is because of the toxicity. Everyone knows this. Why are we suddenly acting like it's okay? Just because Dunkey does it? You're not supposed to enforce one of mobas' biggest problems.[/QUOTE]
Toxicity is bad when it's the triggering event that leads to the game going to shit.
Toxicity is a complete non issue when it's a response to someone being either completely impermeable to criticism or to someone who, as shown in the video, is willingly throwing games by griefing.
There are people out there who will legitimately get mad at people who have not done anything to justify the animosity, see HelenaLive. The kind of people who yell at individuals who are otherwise being willingly and openly shit at the game on purpose are not a problem.
A single game of league or dota can take any time between 20 minutes and an hour, sometimes more in extreme cases. Having someone willingly fuck your game up and act like a manchild (which when playing ranked in league is essentially cheating because the guy is artificially lowering his LP so he can kick ass in lower ranks) means you'll waste a lot of time doing nothing, practically just waiting for the game to end.
It's like getting angry at someone who's accidentally dropped a glass of water versus getting angry at someone who's been throwing glasses of water at the floor just to annoy everyone.
the message he got banned for was more funny than insulting, i'd probably laugh if someone sent that at me during a game. it's like that navy seals rant
It's also what makes the difference between DSP shittalking like an asswipe on online play and two competitive fighting game players shittalking each other before, during and after a match.
The thing is, I understand that toxicity isn't beneficial to anyone. My issue with Riot is that their match making ''encourages'' rage. Being able to premade with someone that is of considerable lower skill is setting up your team for failure.
Then you get the people that have only 10 matches played, while the other players have 100+. Experience isn't everything, but in a game like LoL, you learn so much through experience. This can mean ward coverage, where not to walk and when objectives are doable.
Their new and ''improved'' banning system is horrendous. If you get more than two reports in your match, you get banned. My wife got banned for 2 weeks for calling someone mindless when a player kept tower diving. She contacted Riot and got a response after a month. The response was that she never should've gotten a 2 week ban.
Like Sloppy_Joes says, Riot caters to the lowest denominator. All these things don't matter to casuals they only play normals and an occassional ranked match. I am not saying only ''hardcore'' ranked players deserve respect, but we should really get help.
Ban people from ranked when they get reported too often (unskilled and refusing to communicate would count here as well), make a special ranked server for people that misbehave and let them prove their worth and my personal is it to be able to my my own ranked ''server''. If I could make my own ''server'', I could establish my own rules and make it enjoyable for players that want a different LoL experience.
[QUOTE=Limed00d;48669687]not everyone has thick skin?? just because it's a video game doesn't mean you HAVE to act like a dick to others when they're performing badly even if you're frustrated[/QUOTE]
Being frustrated at trolls is enough justification for that behavior. What Dunkey said was pretty clearly a joke anyway.
Being a dick to your teammates who are trying is just counterproductive. Shit talking them just makes them play worse.
The problem with Riot is that their entire regulation system is designed to punish anyone talking smack but ignores feeders, griefers and trolls.
It's the direct equivalent of school where kids who swear get reprimanded but at the same time bullies who literally slam people into walls can get away with it.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48669748]What Dunkey said was pretty clearly a joke anyway.[/QUOTE]
if it was a joke at all, no it was not clear.
if someone had said this to me after I fucked up
[QUOTE]limed00d you are a fucking worthless braindead scumfuck bastard pile of trash mental dickface that should be gunned down in the street like the degenerate you are[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't have seen that as a joke, but rather an insult made by a very toxic player
"I made the game worse for everyone else please pity me"
[QUOTE=Limed00d;48669687]not everyone has thick skin?? just because it's a video game doesn't mean you HAVE to act like a dick to others when they're performing badly even if you're frustrated[/QUOTE]
Well the ESRB phrase "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" is not just for your reading pleasure, its serious. No one should be hearing people call for them to kill themselves, but if you cant handle being insulted in unoriginal ways or different ways of saying you're terrible, then you really should reconsider if you want to play online.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;48669651]i dont. league sucks, i used to play league and i had issues with the same things he has issues with. its a game that caters to the lowest common denominator and it's full of assholes and idiots.
hes obviously salty that he got banned and that riot wouldn't unban him, but it's probably for the best that he plays other games.[/QUOTE]
i can't fault him for getting mad, i just don't get his reasons is all. he's getting frustrated because in normal games, his friends always get mad (which sounds more like a problem with his friends than with the game), and in ranked, he can't climb and blames it on trolls (as someone with probably just as many matches as him i can say that as frustrating as they might be, if you deserve to be in a rank then you'll get there)
like i said, i don't blame him for getting mad, i just think he's trying too hard to justify it
[editline]12th September 2015[/editline]
with that said, i agree that the ban system needs a revamp. it's kinda silly how much people can get away with
i dont get what hes saying.
"lol your game sucks, i should be able to shit and insult on people who are learning how to play and have no consequences at all because thats where the fun is at, also have me pity im your number 1 promoter"
As i see it, Lol helped him a lot, not the way around, in here lots of friends play it and none know this crybaby, if you wanna go insulting people around and have fun with it, try it out of the videogame, see if you can pull that one up.
To be honest, fuck you Dunkey, i think you are funny but this really just reminds me how much of an ashole you can be, i dont care if you have your reasons or not, shitting on people isnt better if you are doing it.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;48669638]Everytime I play with somebody from Brazil in csgo it is an awful experience[/QUOTE]
Every time I get someone from the US he's all full of himself and his country, just like Argentina and Paraguay players.
Out of the five games that I was matched against US players due to valve fucking up, four got pissed at me for any small mistake, and when they weren't screaming "nigger" at me they were laughing at my accent. I had ONE single match where people didn't care for it and just wanted to have a good match.
It's quite usual to get players from Argentina that won't stop calling me "poor", "negrito" or some retarded shit like that regardless of my performance.
I've said this once, and will do it again, the more you treat foreigners like shit, the more they will do it back. You're all breeding asshole, on both sides. [B]STOP IT[/B].
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;48669741]The thing is, I understand that toxicity isn't beneficial to anyone. My issue with Riot is that their match making ''encourages'' rage. Being able to premade with someone that is of considerable lower skill is setting up your team for failure. [/QUOTE]
if you duo with someone that's worse then matchmaking will find a middle ground, it won't set you up with people who are as good as the best one out of you two
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;48669890]To be fair it isn't just a 2 week ban. He's also getting all his ranked rewards revoked for the entire season.[/QUOTE]
all of them cosmetic
edit: why does this keep happening
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;48669097]I guess the melodramatic music and the overall 'woe is poor little me' tone is supposed to make me sympathize with him but honestly, if anything, it's doing the exact opposite.
Yes, let me feel sorry for the asswhipe who decided to full-on flame the hell out of his teammate and then cried when he got banned. I feel your pain, dude who didn't get unbanned and decided to be a whiny little bitch about it.[/QUOTE]
I think he's kind of bummed that after putting in so much time and effort and reaching a supposedly "high level" of play that someone can just have the ability to ruin it for you.
I love Dota 2 but it's the exact same. I'd go so far to say the community is worse. Just yesterday I had a guy nearly crying on my team at like 10 mins because he kept getting killed for over extending and then abused me when I told him he's doing it wrong.
[QUOTE=nightlord;48668976]It's good that he is, but his reasons for it are pretty bad. It's his own fault. Saying the developer "doesn't appreciate" him for refusing to take away a justified temporary ban of only a week and then quitting the game because of that (Along with it not being fun anymore for him) is not a good thing. It's a game where you practically have to play with people for about an hour at a time and can't really leave whenever you want, it's not going to be enjoyable if you have players who are like that. The code of conduct says not to do those things, so he shouldn't be surprised that when he acted like the sort of player they don't want he got banned for it. Sure, it's just a video game and people are going to be like that, but that doesn't make it right.[/QUOTE]
I think it's pretty obvious he's been burned out of League for a while and the temp ban was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
Cue an "emotional" quitting league video, which isn't that overplayed IMO I think since most of his content and his start came from league. It is like saying goodbye to an old friend.
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48669783]"I made the game worse for everyone else please pity me"[/QUOTE]
'I take things completely out of context'
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;48669062]Getting banned for talking shit is a pretty terrible reason to get banned[/QUOTE]
MOBA's are famous for their super toxic communities and for a while now Riot has been cultivating a zero tolerance policy for shit talking behavior. One of the biggest "downsides" to the genre that can keep people away from it is that same behavior that seems to be so prevalent, so they really crack down hard on it.
as shitty as riot can be, they're under no obligation to adhere to your self-imposed importance.
i do, however, think the word "toxic" is overused and quite frankly is really hurting the game. the reason why there's no pause button is because Light (the lead designer behind social systems i.e. bans and rewards) thinks it's too toxic. the one feature that would solve the rampant AFK problem in ranked games is being neglected on the grounds that people would pause as a joke. if you're offended by that, then i don't know how the [I]fuck[/I] you could have possibly been playing the game that long without getting your panties twisted so much that it forced you to uninstall the game.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48669840]i can't fault him for getting mad, i just don't get his reasons is all. he's getting frustrated because in normal games, his friends always get mad (which sounds more like a problem with his friends than with the game), and in ranked, he can't climb and blames it on trolls (as someone with probably just as many matches as him i can say that as frustrating as they might be, if you deserve to be in a rank then you'll get there)
like i said, i don't blame him for getting mad, i just think he's trying too hard to justify it
[editline]12th September 2015[/editline]
with that said, i agree that the ban system needs a revamp. it's kinda silly how much people can get away with[/QUOTE]
the problem is that its marketted as a competitive game, everyone who plays it wants to be serious. even if youre playing nonranked games people can be very serious about things, so it just adds to the toxicity.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;48669921]And your point is?[/QUOTE]
that he's been playing this game for years, he knows what's bannable and what isn't
the fact that the ban revokes his rewards which imo are not even that big of a deal doesn't make him any less wrong
I told my friend one time that I wanted to try League for a bit of fun like he does. He only told me this: "Don't." Guess this explains things.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;48670066]Those rewards happen to be a pretty big incentive a lot of people have to even bother playing ranked. People like getting a shiny trophy on their loading border for everyone to see because it makes them feel good. I got myself to diamond and I literally only play ranked now whenever the game decides to warn me that I'm being demoted for inactivity because ranked is such an incredibly frustrating experience filled with assholes.
I can imagine how upset someone could be if they got a 2 week ban and had all of there efforts put into ranked get put in the trash because they got mad at an intentional feeder in ranked from 22 days ago who didn't even get banned.[/QUOTE]
here's the thing, you need to be really fucking toxic to get banned. you don't get banned for talking shit once or twice, you don't get banned for a month's worth of flaming even, you need to [I]constantly[/I] piss people off to have something happen to you
it doesn't matter that he "worked hard" for these rewards if he's most likely getting warned and still being an asshole to everyone
Yeah I don't understand why everybody's under the impression that you simply shit-talk just ONCE and then blamo you're banned.
It takes quite the feat. to actually get [I]banned[/I] via flaming.
I really hate how much the word "Toxic" is being used lately, feels like i'm reading SJW posts everywhere I go.
I went on tilt for a couple days and flamed like crazy. I regret doing it, because it had a huge impact on my games, but nothing happened as a result of it.
The other day I called a 0/11 player a "noob" and I got a report warning almost immediately afterward.
I'm not saying that verbal abuse should be relaxed, riot just needs a new way to spot and punish it, and above all else, the ban system should prioritize ACTUAL bad behavior such as feeding, afk, etc.
Not to mention Riot Support is probably the absolute worst customer service I've ever had to endure. On the off chance you DON'T get an automated message, it's most likely a rioter telling you the same thing the message said, just in a more personal manner.
also note that the malphite, who was feeding that game and did many other times (people do it so that they can get matched with low tier people and stomp) is still unbanned, doing it over and over again.
rules about not being "toxic" in video games are stupid, go play club penguin if you get so offended. if you get offended by some retard on the other side of the world you're the retard not him
dota doesn't ban you for being a asshole in chat
they just take away your text privileges and limit you to the pre-made chat wheel (the chat wheel auto-translates to the language the person is using on the client, so its actually more helpful at times when you have people who don't speak english)
[url]http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Chat_Wheel[/url]
way better than getting banned
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
