Dunkey - I'm Done With League of Legends - General

uh, why did he think Riot had to unban him because he's a popular League youtuber? that's really warped logic. like, he could have perfectly not said fucking anything to the Malphite and it would have been alright. I have no idea why he has to carry over his comments he says vocally to actual chat. don't chat at all and everything is ok, just report, move on, that Malphite will get eventually banned if it's a recurring thing. like how Dunkey insulting people is a recurring thing, and this is not at all his first punishment, he's been chat restricted and ranked banned before and he has shown no signs of stopping, and apparently this is because he believes Riot owns him something. [QUOTE=Wii60;48670450]dota doesn't ban you for being a asshole in chat they just take away your text privileges and limit you to the pre-made chat wheel (the chat wheel auto-translates to the language the person is using on the client, so its actually more helpful at times when you have people who don't speak english) [url]http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Chat_Wheel[/url] way better than getting banned[/QUOTE] league restricts you to 5 messages per game if you're found to be toxic (chat restriction). the next level after that is a 14 day ban, which is what he got. the client also repeatedly tells you if you've been reported for verbal abuse that you should cut it out, this wasn't without warning.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;48670461] league restricts you to 5 messages per game if you're found to be toxic (chat restriction). the next level after that is a 14 day ban, which is what he got. the client also repeatedly tells you if you've been reported for verbal abuse that you should cut it out, this wasn't without warning.[/QUOTE] yes but dota doesn't put you in the time out corner for continued asshattery. which i think is a better idea. There's different tactics when people feed and stuff, they get sent to low priority queue and they have to complete a number of those games valve gives them to go back to regular games. valve very VERY rarely bans anyone from playing. i dont even know what you have to do to get "banned" from dota (except maybe violate VAC). dota's "ban" system is described here in detail. [url]http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Ban[/url] [url]http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Low_Priority[/url] and the reporting system [url]http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Report[/url]

Dunkey overreacted but Riot should have banned the feeder along with him.

[QUOTE=Wii60;48670473]yes but dota doesn't put you in the time out corner for continued asshattery. which i think is a better idea. There's different tactics when people feed and stuff, they get sent to low priority queue and they have to complete a number of those games valve gives them to go back to regular games. valve very VERY rarely bans anyone from playing. i dont even know what you have to do to get "banned" from dota.[/QUOTE] believe it or not, bans in League of Legends are actually very, very rare as well, particularly for toxicity. to get banned for toxicity you have to be reported in over 75% of your games. if you flame on 1 out of 10 games nothing happens to you. bans for deliberately leaving ranked games are far more common, and those are pretty much warranted for. there's a system coming in next patch that automatically bans people intentionally feeding, so yeah, that Malphite wouldn't have lasted until next patch. like, people criticize the SHIT out of League of Legends for its community, and that's why Riot takes sportsmanship kinda seriously, so it eventually improves. the rules have to apply to everyone, nobody gets a free pass.

its cool that riot is trying to fix the feeding problem but i think a auto-ban for feeding might be bad because what if a player doesn't understand how it works when they first start playing and then they get banned for being a bad player? then again i dont know the specifics of the system so valve does try to take the cautious route tho when it comes to bans/warnings n stuff so that's why i prefer their system because if your a ass you'll get punished but valve wont take away your toys because of it (which sucks in LoL terms because the heroes and skins are like 9$ each and you gotta re-earn them if you make a new acct due to gettin banned)

[QUOTE=Wii60;48670527]its cool that riot is trying to fix the feeding problem but i think a auto-ban for feeding might be bad because what if a player doesn't understand how it works when they first start playing and then they get banned for being a bad player? then again i dont know the specifics of the system so[/QUOTE] no no, it's not a ban for feeding, it's a ban for intentionally feeding. they are using machine learning algorithms to determine if your gameplay patterns are that of somebody who's deliberately trying to lose games. and much like the system behind verbal abuse, it warns you occasionally if you've been reported for intentionally feeding. I think you can get restricted out of ranked for intentionally feeding first, and if you continue you get banned. like the system has extremely few false positives. every single person that has posted an unban request for toxicity has had Riot show them their chatlogs and they are always clear cut demonstrations of verbal abuse. people just don't like being held accountable for their actions. if the punishment isn't severe enough people won't break their behaviors, the only way to get people to play nice is to break all these negative patterns people have acquired from the early days of the game. it's the only way to make the game accessible to new players.

I thought I read they were working on a system which gives out instant punishments for int feeding?

[QUOTE=Rct33;48670560]I thought I read they were working on a system which gives out instant punishments for int feeding?[/QUOTE] yes, it's the same system behind verbal abuse, of course learning off another different data sample. the system has been shown to be really, really fucking solid, you can be 99% sure it doesn't fuck up, and if it DOES fuck up you'll get unbanned. the verbal abuse system will now also give you your chatlogs in the ban prompt too, so you know what you've been banned for.

[QUOTE=LittleBabyman;48668985]seems like someone's never played anything competitive oh wait you're brazilian, aren't they the most shittalkative people after eastern europeans and russians if you still haven't encountered bantz like that then congrats[/QUOTE] I play DOTA religiously and I don't shit talk and think it's absolutely toxic, did not know league culture breeds people to think this is okay. Almost none of my friends shit talk too and when they do I tend to question it like a rational human being rather than say "Oh, it's part of the experience to be an asshole"!!!

Basically what everyone's trying to point out here is "Lmao who cares it's the internet we can do whatever we want" "welcome to mobas, live with it xd"? Because that's a dumb argument, just like the Welcome to the internet one. You're still flaming people and being an ass regardless of if you're behind a keyboard or in front of a person.

[QUOTE=Wii60;48670450]dota doesn't ban you for being a asshole in chat they just take away your text privileges and limit you to the pre-made chat wheel (the chat wheel auto-translates to the language the person is using on the client, so its actually more helpful at times when you have people who don't speak english) [url]http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Chat_Wheel[/url] way better than getting banned[/QUOTE] idk why you oppose banning toxic players. they get repeated warnings every time they're reported, then they get chat restricted, and then banned temporarily. in order to get banned for flaming you need to actively try to be the biggest douchebag around. like we're saying, you don't get your account taken away if you get mad in a few games

All the reasons he stated on why he fell out of League were the exact same reasons I did too. I also found that at least for me, actually achieving anything in the game didn't really feel as rewarding as the time I sunk into it deserved. If at most you would get a feeling of, "Cool, now what's next?" I'm kind of surprised he got banned for that though tbh. I thought they usually just muted people for a week who get reported for trash talking.

it's very possible that he already was looking for an excuse to stop doing league videos and that this event just kind of was the last straw

ive never been pushed away from a game because people call say mean things. to me people being 'toxic' isnt name calling but people fucking with your gameplay experience like what was happening to dunkey. learn to handle the bants

[QUOTE=Shortyish;48670740]ive never been pushed away from a game because people call say mean things. to me people being 'toxic' isnt name calling but people fucking with your gameplay experience like what was happening to dunkey. learn to handle the bants[/QUOTE] how is somebody calling you shit for the duration of the whole game not fucking with your gameplay experience? like, sure, you may not care about that. but what about the people that do, is it fair for them to have to bear people saying unnecessarily mean shit? what about little kids, or people who don't use the internet often and aren't desensitized to that kind of harassment? the community as a whole decided that verbal harassment is a bad thing. the community banned dunkey, Riot didn't do anything, it was 100% the opinion of his fellow players.

[QUOTE=Keychain;48669683]I don't understand why people are suddenly acting like trash-talking in a game is justifiable. Sure, you can set them to ignore, but assuming they get their shit together sometime during the game, you won't be able to communicate with them as easily. It's a lose-lose situation. One of the biggest reasons why a lot of people don't play mobas is because of the toxicity. Everyone knows this. Why are we suddenly acting like it's okay? Just because Dunkey does it? You're not supposed to enforce one of mobas' biggest problems.[/QUOTE] It's okay this time because it's Dunkey.

I like Dunkey and all, makes some of my favorite videos and he has good reason for leaving LoL, but anyone saying he doesn't straight up deserve that ban is fucking dumb.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48670668]idk why you oppose banning toxic players. they get repeated warnings every time they're reported, then they get chat restricted, and then banned temporarily. in order to get banned for flaming you need to actively try to be the biggest douchebag around. like we're saying, you don't get your account taken away if you get mad in a few games[/QUOTE] because they can just make a new account and continue trashtalking? a ban doesn't stop a asshole when they want to be a ass in a game

[QUOTE=Wii60;48670888]because they can just make a new account and continue trashtalking? a ban doesn't stop a asshole when they want to be a ass in a game[/QUOTE] And then, might I ask, how is the system used by Dota 2 any better?

[QUOTE=Wii60;48670888]because they can just make a new account and continue trashtalking? a ban doesn't stop a asshole when they want to be a ass in a game[/QUOTE] and they'll have to go through 30 levels and get every champ, as well as whatever rank they had again they'll either keep getting punished (which makes total sense and i'm ok with) or will learn that it's easier to just not trashtalk again (which also makes sense and i'm also ok with)

I'm fine with this because his non-league videos are like twice as good

League is pretty trash It's funny that the malphite is still playing games though

Good, Riot is trash and so is LoL.

Dunkey deserved the ban but I want that Malphite player banned too for ruining games intentionally. Pisses me off when people aren't playing their best in ranked matches. EDIT: Trolling > Toxic Language, I feel like Riot priorities are skewed.

The lesson here is that MOBAs are the worst genre

[QUOTE=DeEz;48670968]And then, might I ask, how is the system used by Dota 2 any better?[/QUOTE] because everyone wins in the situation: -player still plays but muted and able to use the chat wheel, loses nothing -People playing with him dont have to get insulted -If he decides to feed instead of insult, then the reports will throw him into low priority hell for a few games but no one gets their shit removed permamently or put into a time out corner, people can still play freely.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;48671387]I can understand Riot giving temp bans for toxicity and I'm honestly not surprised dunky got banned, but stripping someone of their ranked rewards for trash talk is nothing short of insane.[/QUOTE] How? If someone is a toxic asshole on a regular basis in-game, like Dunkey, why should he get a reward for being a well-behaved player? I don't see how this is unfair in the slightest. They are only cosmetics at the end of the day.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;48671435]You would have a point if those were rewards for being a well-behaved player. We had something for that. It was called the honor system and Riot may as well have thrown that in the trash. These rewards are for how high you climbed in the ranked ladder. [url]http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/MqjgljPN-intentionally-fed-all-the-way-from-plat-2-to-bronze-5-im-still-not-banned[/url] This thread really highlights how utterly out of wack Riot's priorities are. This shit is absolutely inexcusable.[/QUOTE] I don't understand why you think its insane and/or inexcusable. Toxic players don't deserve to be rewarded.

Except exploiters, boosters, and hackers pretty much get p-banned right off the bat. When you're being toxic in LoL- it doesn't start off with a ban. It starts off with a temporary chat restriction. The only way to lift these restrictions is to play a defined number of normal games. If the toxicity continues after that, you'll either receive a temporary team-builder ban/and or a ranked ban. After those bans/restrictions end, you'll be free to play whatever you want to play. After that, it goes into game bans, so on, so fourth. If you've received any of the previous punishments then at times you won't qualify for good-player-behavior rewards. This is why I've stated previously that being banned for toxicity is quite the feat. 'cus it demands that you're a toxic asshole 24/7 through-in, and through-out. Funnily enough, if you're banned for toxicity- at times they'll send you chat logs regarding the things that you've said (via email), and why you're temporarily banned.

So, to be clear, Dunkey had to have been warned or punished before this ban occurred?