Dunkey - I'm Done With League of Legends - General

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48671539]So, to be clear, Dunkey had to have been warned or punished before this ban occurred?[/QUOTE] Yes, ultimately he's been chat restricted, and most likely ranked-banned beforehand. They're given out as a deterrent. "don't do it again" etc

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48671539]So, to be clear, Dunkey had to have been warned or punished before this ban occurred?[/QUOTE] repeatedly, he's infamous for his toxicity and has many videos when he is chat banned. he's also not the first famous player to be punished for his toxicity, he's not being made an example of.

Sorry, its not an online game I want to play unless I have a 12 year they fucked my mom, really, if we can't do that ingames, I don't want to play them. I don't need a company to protect me from some idiot.

I'm [I]very[/I] tired of toxic people. Filter them out. Put them in games with like-minded people - I don't care. I don't want to play with them. I don't want to hear them bitch and moan. I don't want them around my friends. I don't want them on my team or to fight against me. I don't want them muted - I want them gone. They need to figure their shit out. Or don't, I don't really care. Just don't allow them to be in the same game as me. I apply this same logic to more than just video games anyway. (Smack-talk is separate from toxic. Toxic is when you go too far with smack-talk.) I can totally understand some of the rage that Dunkey has in regards to the community, though. It's pretty bullshit that they're quick to hand out bans for people who are toxic, but they're not willing to deal with the [I]other[/I] people that are toxic. Toxic people aren't they only ones that are going to get people to quit the game - it's going to to be the griefers, and it's going to be the people who don't care. There needs to be a separation between people who are serious about playing the game, and people who are casually playing the game.

Sorry, but I don't need Riot trying to protect me from bad language like a mom, I'm pretty sure most people are big boys and can just ignore it, if not just mute the guy ( not sure if League has this feature, but Smite does so basing that part off of it) Toxic people should be a low priority since you can just deal with them yourself; however, hackers and trolls intentionally feeding should be the ones who deserve attention

[QUOTE=Jetpack Bear;48671706]Sorry, but I don't need Riot trying to protect me from bad language like a mom, I'm pretty sure most people are big boys and can just ignore it, if not just mute the guy ( not sure if League has this feature, but Smite does so basing that part off of it) Toxic people should be a low priority since you can just deal with them yourself; however, hackers and trolls intentionally feeding should be the ones who deserve attention[/QUOTE] I've played games where entire teams have ganged up on person and told him to commit suicide. Muting isn't the solution. Also, I've played with girls who pretty much have to mute everyone everywhere they go because it'll be a cold day in hell before they get left alone for any indication that they're a woman, including simple voice chat. Smack-talk is one thing. I like smack-talk. But it can and very often goes too far.

In regards to the people who are saying that people should deal with it: Technically, if you had to, you could probably deal with [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4RTTRKUfvg]this[/url] on repeat as you play video games but that doesn't mean you should or should want to. I understand people should develop a thick skin, but if we're talking about official servers which are open for everyone, people shouldn't have to deal with others being a bad sport.

There's a difference between banter and shit talking and his was obviously the latter.

[QUOTE=Wii60;48671348]because everyone wins in the situation: -player still plays but muted and able to use the chat wheel, loses nothing -People playing with him dont have to get insulted -If he decides to feed instead of insult, then the reports will throw him into low priority hell for a few games but no one gets their shit removed permamently or put into a time out corner, people can still play freely.[/QUOTE] Idk why you still think banning is bad. Like we've said, you need to try VERY VERY hard to actually get perma'd. Only the worst of the worst will actually lose anything, and only long after they've been warned, chat restricted and banned temporarily. If these people are losing stuff they paid for it's their own fault

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48671704]I'm [I]very[/I] tired of toxic people. Filter them out. Put them in games with like-minded people - I don't care. I don't want to play with them. I don't want to hear them bitch and moan. I don't want them around my friends. I don't want them on my team or to fight against me. I don't want them muted - I want them gone. They need to figure their shit out. Or don't, I don't really care. Just don't allow them to be in the same game as me. I apply this same logic to more than just video games anyway. (Smack-talk is separate from toxic. Toxic is when you go too far with smack-talk.) I can totally understand some of the rage that Dunkey has in regards to the community, though. It's pretty bullshit that they're quick to hand out bans for people who are toxic, but they're not willing to deal with the [I]other[/I] people that are toxic. Toxic people aren't they only ones that are going to get people to quit the game - it's going to to be the griefers, and it's going to be the people who don't care. There needs to be a separation between people who are serious about playing the game, and people who are casually playing the game.[/QUOTE] then dont purposely throw the game then? the man deserved the massive shit talking and its beyond annoying when you gamble something, and some random fuckhead decides to throw the game. A prime example is when i had a charm in Dota 2. If you lose 2 times, the charm breaks. Win 3 times and it turns into a unlocked chest. I lost once legit, but the second time i had a guy who literally idled for 30 minutes in the jungle, bought a devine rapier, and literally fed it to the enemy team on purpose to throw the game and my charm broke. People like that deserve the shit flung at them, and they should be the ones punished, not the people being fucked with that get mad. Its like getting a kid in trouble for cursing when a bully punched him in the head.

Why do you need a situation where everyone wins if there's one person clearly in the wrong? "Player does something bad, gets punished" is a bad system why, exactly? Edit: merge break [editline]13th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=codemaster85;48672115]then dont purposely throw the game then? the man deserved the massive shit talking and its beyond annoying when you gamble something, and some random fuckhead decides to throw the game. A prime example is when i had a charm in Dota 2. If you lose 2 times, the charm breaks. Win 3 times and it turns into a unlocked chest. I lost once legit, but the second time i had a guy who literally idled for 30 minutes in the jungle, bought a devine rapier, and literally fed it to the enemy team on purpose to throw the game and my charm broke. People like that deserve the shit flung at them, and they should be the ones punished, not the people being fucked with that get mad. Its like getting a kid in trouble for cursing when a bully punched him in the head.[/QUOTE] If someone actually manages to get banned for toxic behavior in league, they're obviously not only raging at trolls, they're raging at everyone else as well. Like I've said, you need to constantly flame and shittalk every other game to have shit happen to you

[QUOTE=codemaster85;48672115]then dont purposely throw the game then? the man deserved the massive shit talking and its beyond annoying when you gamble something, and some random fuckhead decides to throw the game. A prime example is when i had a charm in Dota 2. If you lose 2 times, the charm breaks. Win 3 times and it turns into a unlocked chest. I lost once legit, but the second time i had a guy who literally idled for 30 minutes in the jungle, bought a devine rapier, and literally fed it to the enemy team on purpose to throw the game and my charm broke. People like that deserve the shit flung at them, and they should be the ones punished, not the people being fucked with that get mad. Its like getting a kid in trouble for cursing when a bully punched him in the head.[/QUOTE] I had a longer post and edited out a lot of stuff - part of what I forgot to reinclude is the fact that I didn't think Dunkey was really that bad to the griefer. But he still had to fuck up a lot to get banned for that, and more importantly he knew what was gonna happen. Does matter if it's the straw that broke the camel's back - apparently he's notorious for being this way in more situations than just this on top of what Zukriuchen is saying.

I think the main reason people get pissed off at this kind of stuff is because ranked and unranked are such shitshows. There's almost never a game where every player on your team is competent or not feeding or not instalocking a lane and refusing to compromise with the team. But those people don't get banned, its only the people who verbally abuse them, right? For the people going against Dunkey, you know that you have the option to mute people in chat right? If you don't like a person mute them and communicate with the rest of your team, pinging always works.

[QUOTE=Derposaurus;48672299]For the people going against Dunkey, you know that you have the option to mute people in chat right? If you don't like a person mute them and communicate with the rest of your team, pinging always works.[/QUOTE] How many times is this going to be repeated?

i'm not against Dunkey himself lol, but complaining about getting banned for verbal abuse is stupid no matter who it is. it's not without a reason. also, in ranked, dunning kruger effect applies VERY harshly. it's very likely that you're doing as bad as your teammates, otherwise you'd win effortlessly, with games where you get an intentional feeder or somebody legitimately too unskilled to be at your Elo being mostly exceptions. you're as incompetent as your teammates if you lose.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48671763]In regards to the people who are saying that people should deal with it: Technically, if you had to, you could probably deal with [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4RTTRKUfvg]this[/url] on repeat as you play video games but that doesn't mean you should or should want to. I understand people should develop a thick skin, but if we're talking about official servers which are open for everyone, people shouldn't have to deal with others being a bad sport.[/QUOTE] Your argument isn't even comparable to this one at all, theres a difference between some characters in a text field in the lower left corner, and then theres a high pitch squeal constantly droning that can't under any circumstances short of having no audio device active be turned off. Chat's incredibly easy to ignore and even filter.

[QUOTE=Viva;48672389]Your argument isn't even comparable to this one at all, theres a difference between some characters in a text field in the lower left corner, and then theres a high pitch squeal constantly droning that can't under any circumstances short of having no audio device active be turned off. Chat's incredibly easy to ignore and even filter.[/QUOTE] "It's just characters in a text field, why are you making a big deal?" "It's just audible sounds that are coming out of my mouth, why are you making a big deal?" "I mean, after all, when I type or say something, the end-product isn't a form of communication. They're just words, characters, and the result of binary operations! They don't mean anything." Sure, I can turn that high-pitched squeal off, but the question I'm asking is why does it need to begin in the first place? Why do people need to go to the extremes with shit-talking in the first place?

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48672421]"It's just characters in a text field, why are you making a big deal?" "It's just audible sounds that are coming out of my mouth, why are you making a big deal?" "I mean, after all, when I type or say something, the end-product isn't a form of communication. They're just words, characters, and the result of binary operations! They don't mean anything." Sure, I can turn that high-pitched squeal off, but the question I'm asking is why does it need to begin in the first place? Why do people need to go to the extremes with shit-talking in the first place?[/QUOTE] That doesn't help your point at all though. Text is easily ignorable, audio isn't. Now if you said imagine it was someone on voicechat talking shit, now thats a lot more relevant and an actual scenario. In which case the same thing applies to chat still easily ignored because theres an option called 'mute'. There will ALWAYS be assholes in every game or anywhere you go, when online it's a golden ability to largely be able to ignore that if in text or voice in a game even if it's common in the game because of the ability to ignore and mute. The shit talk is only part of the game culturally speaking and not a design, but it's nonetheless something you put up with, the same thing even happens in sports. Its straight up a normal competitive aspect and is literally to be expected.

Shit talk is fine. I love shit talk. I love it when people shit talk with me. The difference is when it turns into harassment. I was talking to someone about this and they described it like this: [quote]Indeed. imo, it's no longer "smack talk" when it goes beyond just insulting the person about the current situation. Smack talk: "You just got fucked." "You suck shit at this game." Not smack talk: "I hope you get AIDS." "You're the gayest faggot."[/quote] The thing is, you're defending it because it's a normal occurrence. That's not an excuse for anything. Another example is when I play with girls who are told that they're going to get raped. That's no longer competitive mind-games - that's just fucked up.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48672523]Shit talk is fine. I love shit talk. I love it when people shit talk with me. The difference is when it turns into harassment. I was talking to someone about this and they described it like this: The thing is, you're defending it because it's a normal occurrence. That's not an excuse for anything. Another example is when I play with girls who are told that they're going to get raped. That's no longer competitive mind-games - that's just fucked up.[/QUOTE] Not really, the internet provides the tiny bit of anonymity where people will say just full on some nasty shit. Very very very very very very very few people actually mean that shit and it's a large part of typical playerbases that fully recognize that. Just a different vernacular. Youre defending it because it hurts your feelings, which isn't an excuse for much anything either.

[QUOTE=Viva;48672545]Not really, the internet provides the tiny bit of anonymity where people will say just full on some nasty shit. Very very very very very very very few people actually mean that shit and it's a large part of typical playerbases that fully recognize that. Just a different vernacular.[/QUOTE] Again, you're defending this because it's a normal occurrence - not because it's actually normal.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48672555]Again, you're defending this because it's a normal occurrence - not because it's actually normal.[/QUOTE] No just in real life its more a stigma so it's less frequently said. I guarantee you that plenty of people actually wanna say that stuff to other peoples faces constantly. Is the situation really any better if people are just pretending to behave?

[QUOTE=Viva;48672545]Not really, the internet provides the tiny bit of anonymity where people will say just full on some nasty shit. Very very very very very very very few people actually mean that shit and it's a large part of typical playerbases that fully recognize that. Just a different vernacular. Youre defending it because it hurts your feelings, which isn't an excuse for much anything either.[/QUOTE] I'm on the defense because it does actually hurt people's feelings and it alienates people from gaming. Your mentality of looking at these people who are offended and simply saying "fuck 'em" isn't a solution. I'm also on the defense because it affects other people differently - especially women that I know in real life that play games in person.. It's unfair to just say, "Hey, develop a thicker skin", and it's also super unproductive and lazy. [editline]12th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Viva;48672557]No just in real life its more a stigma so it's less frequently said. I guarantee you that plenty of people actually wanna say that stuff to other peoples faces constantly. Is the situation really any better if people are just pretending to behave?[/QUOTE] I'm okay with it when it's a community-run server with their own rules that explicitly allow for that kind of stuff. I helped run a server that was under these rules. If it's a public server for all audiences (i.e. a Valve-run server for everyone), those people who can't play without telling someone to commit suicide can stay offline.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48672563]I'm on the defense because it does actually hurt people's feelings and it alienates people from gaming. Your mentality of looking at these people who are offended and simply saying "fuck 'em" isn't a solution. I'm also on the defense because it affects other people differently - especially women that I know in real life that play games in person.. It's unfair to just say, "Hey, develop a thicker skin", and it's also super unproductive and lazy. [editline]12th September 2015[/editline] I'm okay with it when it's a community-run server with their own rules that explicitly allow for that kind of stuff. I helped run a server that was under these rules. If it's a public server for all audiences (i.e. a Valve-run server for everyone), those people who can't play without telling someone to commit suicide can stay offline.[/QUOTE] This is also a highly competitive game that many take seriously and if youre playing in competitive settings casually then it's expected to upset people taking it seriously. So at that point, the games straight up not for you at that level which means play in low ranks, play with just friends, or play bot matches.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48671704]I'm [I]very[/I] tired of toxic people. Filter them out. Put them in games with like-minded people - I don't care. I don't want to play with them. I don't want to hear them bitch and moan. I don't want them around my friends. I don't want them on my team or to fight against me. I don't want them muted - I want them gone. They need to figure their shit out. Or don't, I don't really care. Just don't allow them to be in the same game as me. I apply this same logic to more than just video games anyway.[/QUOTE] dota 2 is actually testing matchmaking algorithms that put angry people with angry people and nice people with nice people. as in, people with more reports to a certian thing start to get matchmaked with people with similar report counts dont know if its actually implemented yet

I dont play csgo largely because i find people too competitive and don't like being yelled at, so instead i don't play competitive and i play on dedicated servers and usually with just friends. I still get to play the game i like and have fun and not have people wishing i get buttfucked by a reindeer on christmas. If i do then it's just hilarious because that person is caring about such a stupid thing as a casual match of csgo.

[QUOTE=Viva;48672574]This is also a highly competitive game that many take seriously and if youre playing in competitive settings casually then it's expected to upset people taking it seriously. So at that point, the games straight up not for you at that level which means play in low ranks, play with just friends, or play bot matches.[/QUOTE] I totally get that, and I totally get why Dunkey responded the way he did. Doesn't excuse: 1. the intensity of what he said 2. the fact that he knew the repercussions for saying what he said 3. the fact that what he was going to say won't change the troll's mind In CS:GO and TF2, votekicks exist as well. It sounds like the problem isn't the fact that Dunkey was banned, but the fact that they don't do anything to prevent awful people from joining games. The problem isn't that Dunkey isn't allowed to tell people to commit suicide, but the problem is that they don't have a system that deals with griefers or adequately builds fair teams for battle. [editline]12th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Viva;48672581]I dont play csgo largely because i find people too competitive and don't like being yelled at, so instead i don't play competitive and i play on dedicated servers and usually with just friends.[/QUOTE] This is what I've been doing as well. I have no interest in playing DOTA either simply because the MOBA community as a whole is unforgiving. (Plus none of the MOBA's are really my genre to begin with.)

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48672586]I totally get that, and I totally get why Dunkey responded the way he did. Doesn't excuse: 1. the intensity of what he said 2. the fact that he knew the repercussions for saying what he said 3. the fact that what he was going to say won't change the troll's mind In CS:GO and TF2, votekicks exist as well. It sounds like the problem isn't the fact that Dunkey was banned, but the fact that they don't do anything to prevent awful people from joining games. The problem isn't that Dunkey isn't allowed to tell people to commit suicide, but the problem is that they don't have a system that deals with griefers or adequately builds fair teams for battle.[/QUOTE] I said it before and people disagreed but i think it was in regards to the other portion of my post on my stance on shit talking but. This video is mostly what dunkey's humor is. It's obvious he oversold the dramatic aspect of it for laughs which is easily seen more than a handful of times throughout the video itself. He's largely done with the game because he just doesn't find it fun anymore, not actually because he was banned for shit talking.

[QUOTE=Viva;48672581]I dont play csgo largely because i find people too competitive and don't like being yelled at, so instead i don't play competitive and i play on dedicated servers and usually with just friends. I still get to play the game i like and have fun and not have people wishing i get buttfucked by a reindeer on christmas. If i do then it's just hilarious because that person is caring about such a stupid thing as a casual match of csgo.[/QUOTE] This is part of why I liked TF2 so much. There's always exceptions, but most servers in TF2 were really laid back. So people were playing and messing around and laughing at their mistakes and just having a good time. It was a very social thing, I used to have many conversations in that game. I think it's because TF2 has no real competition. Like, you play a MOBA or CS:GO and you lose it affects your stats, which are really important or something. In TF2 you're just playing for fun.

I didn't think it was about him being banned either. And I didn't think what he said to get banned was really all that bad either - my criticism is that he was simply asking to be banned for it.