Dunkey - I'm Done With League of Legends - General

Yeah like if you play to have fun then stay out of competitive areas. If you play competitively for fun smack talking and abusive language is tremendously common because of how passionately some people play and get lost in it. So if you can't handle that then competitive is not for you. I'm going through my head right now of all the people im friends with or know that play things like dota and csgo competitively, dozens and dozens. They all play it cause they find the competition fun, but none of them have issues with getting over the shit talk or they themselves participate in it.

I don't play MOBAs, but is there any reason why having two modes, one where you can be reported for what you write in chat and can get banned and one where you can't is not a possibility? Both ranked but different leagues? I absolutely hate toxic players and would go out of my way to avoid them. But from what I can gather from this thread there are people who think it is acceptable and even an encouraged part of online play. I can't even say I respect that but if it's what people want it's what people should get. I just don't want anything to do with such people. Also fuck off with trash talking being part of all games/sports. There is trash talking in many sports sure but try calling someone a "a fucking worthless braindead scumfuck bastard pile of trash mental dickface that should be gunned down in the street like the degenerate you are" in a pickup basketball or football game and see what happens. It is not as easy to straight up insult people face to face and people who would have no guts to do it in real life can easily hide behind a screen to do it.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48672602]This is part of why I liked TF2 so much. There's always exceptions, but most servers in TF2 were really laid back. So people were playing and messing around and laughing at their mistakes and just having a good time. It was a very social thing, I used to have many conversations in that game. I think it's because TF2 has no real competition. Like, you play a MOBA or CS:GO and you lose it affects your stats, which are really important or something. In TF2 you're just playing for fun.[/QUOTE] I get bored of TF2 because not enough people are on board with playing the objective seriously, so it pushes me towards wanting to play competitively and seriously as a medic. But in order for that to happen, there needs to be an official TF2 gamemode. (The competitive gamemodes are far too restrictive and aren't really available impromptu like the CS:GO competitive gamemode.) I have to admit something: I used to be the type of person to lash out at people and say really awful shit, but it made people not want to play with me and it made me feel like shit (in a lot of meanings of the word) the entire time I was doing it. It's just all-around ugly, and sprouted from being constantly surrounded by other people doing it too. It was the "normal" thing to do, and I adapted to that normalcy regardless of how actually fucked up and stupid it was. The problem is that the world doesn't revolve around you, or me, or anyone else. It doesn't matter what you think is offensive or who you think needs to develop a thicker skin - it's not your game, and you're being a colossal asshole if you're moving past simple smack talk. You don't need to do it. On the odd chance that you actually feel like you need to tell someone to commit suicide over a video game, you need to put the controller down, get help, and stop treating it like it's normal. It's only normal because people allow it to be normal. And I can deal with the awfulness, but that doesn't mean I want to do it. It's not what I would look to for fun or to get serious about. Technicality and teamwork is what I want and appreciate out of the competitive scene. [editline]13th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Viva;48672614]Yeah like if you play to have fun then stay out of competitive areas. If you play competitively for fun smack talking and abusive language is tremendously common because of how passionately some people play and get lost in it. So if you can't handle that then competitive is not for you.[/QUOTE] You're still justifying things by saying "it is what it is". I get anger, but I don't get why people [I]need[/I] to vent it in super abrasive ways. Participating in a competitive sport doesn't entitle people to be awful people - in fact there are a lot of rules regarding sportsmanship and harassment in many popular sports. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsportsmanlike_conduct[/url] [url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3649168[/url] [url]http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ldtu6LPYxvMJ:www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-s-emphasis-on-penalizing-abusive-language-taking-hold-082014+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us[/url]

Personally, I think they should unban him simply because they banned a guy for shit talking but left the guy who was intentionally ruining games completely alone for days/weeks. It's an awful system and they should acknowledge that rather than just going "nope u did wrong lol"

[QUOTE=lxmach1;48672667]Personally, I think they should unban him simply because they banned a guy for shit talking but left the guy who was intentionally ruining games completely alone for days/weeks. It's an awful system and they should acknowledge that rather than just going "nope u did wrong lol"[/QUOTE] I would have unbanned him early and banned the guy ruining the games, because although Dunkey's been at it with bad behavior this is one of those cases where it's the end result of the game being ruined, not because of him just yelling at someone that sucks at the game or anything. It's not really an example of what I'm talking about.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48672630] You're still justifying things by saying "it is what it is". I get anger, but I don't get why people [I]need[/I] to vent it in super abrasive ways. Participating in a competitive sport doesn't entitle people to be awful people - in fact there are a lot of rules regarding sportsmanship and harassment in many popular sports. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsportsmanlike_conduct[/URL] [URL]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3649168[/URL] [URL]http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ldtu6LPYxvMJ:www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-s-emphasis-on-penalizing-abusive-language-taking-hold-082014+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us[/URL][/QUOTE] And yet its still incredibly common, and in fact something that in sports athletes are taught how to deal with. It's something that will always exist no matter what is done against it, what rules are placed to prevent it, what guidelines or fines are placed against it. Even if athletes are suspended, on camera they will act just as fine, in game not even remotely. In fact the only time off camera stuff like that makes it to the news is when its done to a ref, caught on camera accidentally when it pans across the bench or ballpit (which happens CONSTANTLY mind you), or the remarks are constant and racial (which is also decently common). Your point is that it's not okay. My point is that regardless if it's okay or not it's gunna be there. No matter what. So you can either complain and try to fix something thats literally unfixable without massive purges and heavy bans against anything that can even be perceived as 'bad', or you can do what nearly everyone else does and not care and continue playing. You'll find that it makes no difference in performance in the grand scale of things.

It's only unfixable because you keep saying it's unfixable. What we have in LoL and the proposed DOTA measures are a start in the right direction, and the kinks just need to be ironed out over the course of time. I'm ready to criticize their faults and potential to suck, but the motive is great and it also has the potential to be a great way to make the playing field more bearable and inviting.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;48672723]It's only unfixable because you keep saying it's unfixable. What we have in LoL and the proposed DOTA measures are a start in the right direction, and the kinks just need to be measured out. I'm ready to criticize their faults and everything, but the motive is great and it can only be better.[/QUOTE] But that doesnt fix it either, it just makes it tolerable. Take the shit talkers and mix them with shit talkers, the shit talking is still there, just 80% hidden. In fact if anything it actually promotes it because then those players are with those players so they feed off each other. But to become one of those players you have to do exactly that, become one. Still going through normal games with others. It's not unfixable because i'm shrugging it off, it's unfixable because thats how humans are. In league it's still an absolutely major issue despite what riot's doing. There's no real seeable difference from before the heavy rules were placed and after the rules were placed.

I can forgive Dunkey for talking shit, I mean when you're playing a game that's braindead fucking boring and essentially you're just doing it because it's your job, and you're just trying to get some footage and some guy's making your life hell, I can totally see why you'd be short on patience. I mean I don't go for insults like that (because the way he insulted him was a little juvenile) but, we've all ran in to dickheads on games and we've all told them to go fuck themselves because that's precisely what you should do. Frankly in this instance Dunkey told a guy who was being a complete prick that he was a piece of shit, so it's justified. People who deserve to be told to fuck off should be told to fuck off. I can't comment on his past behavior because I don't know what that even is, but it's not 'toxic' to tell someone who's an obnoxious game ruining cunt to choke on a dick. And I guarantee you that game ruining dick is going to have far more impact on people's enjoyment of the game than the guy talking shit to him. Also holy shit can we stop calling it being 'toxic', I don't know why everyone's using that word to describe it, what happened to 'flaming' or 'being a dick' or being 'obnoxious' or 'ruining everyone's good time' Also I think everyone is focusing way too much on the ban thing, that's again, the straw that broke the camels back and I don't think Dunkey cares about that as much as people are thinking he does. There's plenty of other shit he talked about in the video other than that.

tbh, sometimes I love it when people are insulting cunts in games because I can be an insulting cunt back, and it lets me pump anger out onto someone who can take it, and not onto someone who doesn't deserve it. I'd never do it to someone that doesn't "deserve it" or go too far, no ones going to take an insult that to heart anyways, and I rarely find myself insulting people, but it is nice to be insulted and give insults back every once in a while. A little angry competition can be fun. [editline]13th September 2015[/editline] when I say insult however, I very specifically mean anything non-personal, non-threatening, a mutual "Fuck you" if you will [editline]13th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=RichyZ;48670372]to an extent sure but most mobas and comp fps games have awful communities that won't improve naturally unless the fear of being banned for being an asshole is in there[/QUOTE] this is pretty much why facepunch is such a decent community be a douche and gtfo end of story we rarely have people who are both 1. True assholes 2. Long lasting members

To the people saying "go play dota 2 or smite it doesn't have toxic shit and the community is better" You don't even know [B][I]SHIT[/I][/B] These kinds of players are in ALL multiplayer games ever made. All that's different is the way the game is set up to deal with them. I.E. Dota has the low priority pool and mute system. Talk too much smack for too long? You are literally unable to communicate with your teams for a while. Start feeding/trolling/helping the enemy team? You get placed in a seperate matchmaking system where all these people are forced to play in for a number of hours/days to get back out of it. My point is, no matter what you do or say, unless you've got a premade team of people you know/trust won't start going all assburgers on you when you're not winning a videogame, you will encounter these people at one point or another. And yes. you're gonna meet the SAME people you meet on league in any other game, be it D2, smite, TF2, CS:GO, fucking splatoon and club penguin for that matter.

[QUOTE=MendozaMan;48672946]To the people saying "go play dota 2 or smite it doesn't have toxic shit and the community is better" You don't even know [B][I]SHIT[/I][/B] These kinds of players are in ALL multiplayer games ever made. All that's different is the way the game is set up to deal with them. I.E. Dota has the low priority pool and mute system. Talk too much smack for too long? You are literally unable to communicate with your teams for a while. Start feeding/trolling/helping the enemy team? You get placed in a seperate matchmaking system where all these people are forced to play in for a number of hours/days to get back out of it. My point is, no matter what you do or say, unless you've got a premade team of people you know/trust won't start going all assburgers on you when you're not winning a videogame, you will encounter these people at one point or another. And yes. you're gonna meet the SAME people you meet on league in any other game, be it D2, smite, TF2, CS:GO, fucking splatoon and club penguin for that matter.[/QUOTE] Man, playing online games must be pretty scary.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48669347]he got a week ban, not perma'd you need to do this very very often to actually get perma'd in league[/QUOTE] A Ban for talking shit is a terrible reason for a ban none-the-less.

riot employee commented bout it [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3krbn4/riot_lyte_on_dunkeys_ban/[/url] [url]http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answer/132485638338[/url] [QUOTE]What do you think about vgdunkey's ban? It's really unfortunate. Many Rioters love Dunkey's content, and I've unloaded my share of "Not even close babyyyyy" jokes around the office; however, we really can't show favoritism to someone just because they are a pro or a known content creator. This isn't really a debate about whether trashtalking is OK or not OK in games; we've talked a lot in the past about how we're OK with players bantering with their friends but you should be careful when interacting with strangers who may not understand your intentions--especially if you're using hate speech or slurs. We have a zero tolerance policy against hate speech, racism, homophobia, and sexism and that policy stands whether you're a random player, a pro player, or a Youtube celebrity. This also really wasn't a case about intentional feeders and whether it's OK to be toxic towards other toxic players--there wasn't even a Malphite in the game that got him banned and either way, retaliation just isn't OK because it makes the experience worse for everyone else in the game. We know that players have been asking us to be more aggressive against intentional feeders for awhile, and it has taken us a bit longer than we'd like. We do consider gameplay toxicity just as serious as verbal toxicity, and are launching a new Intentional Feeder Detection system in 5.18 that can ban feeders within 15 minutes of matches. We're starting with conservative settings to make sure the system would not ban players for having the rare bad game, even if it was a 0-10 type of bad game but this is a great first step to aggressively tackling intentional feeders. At the end of the day, this incident sucks for everyone. We respect that Dunkey hasn't posted his Reform Card, and I'm not going to post it either. Best wishes to him in the future.[/QUOTE]

"I want Riot games to recognize how popular I am with their vids." I don't know if that's a joke or he really means that, because he made a video mocking popular non-goon LPers. Which I agree to some extent, but then I remember that people can be capable of mocking their potential future selves. I know he want to do it because he enjoy entertaining others, but people have to be careful to not let it inflate their egos and then get mad about it when someone or something bruises it.

Report and move on, flaming is useless coz ppl who feed intentionally don't give a single fuck about your shit. How can you play these types of games for 4 years and not realize that?

[QUOTE=Rob3k;48673368]"I want Riot games to recognize how popular I am with their vids." I don't know if that's a joke or he really means that, because he made a video mocking popular non-goon LPers. Which I agree to some extent, but then I remember that people can be capable of mocking their potential future selves. I know he want to do it because he enjoy entertaining others, but people have to be careful to not let it inflate their egos and then get mad about it when someone or something bruises it.[/QUOTE] It's a joke. If you follow dunkey you will know defacto it's a joke.

[QUOTE=Wii60;48673355]riot employee commented bout it [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3krbn4/riot_lyte_on_dunkeys_ban/[/url] [url]http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answer/132485638338[/url][/QUOTE] this isn't just a Riot employee btw this is the guy who designed all the systems that I've talked about. he has like a PhD in psychology.

I'm honestly more amazed that he could still make consistently good League videos until that point when it's pretty obvious that he got sick and tired of the game a long time ago.

Gonna throw in an unpopular opinion I'm behind him 100%, I think in online games, as immature and annoying as it may be, shit talking should be allowed in full force I don't care what they're saying, give me a mute/text-hide button and a block feature, along with basic spam prevention and let everyone go to town. Shit talk is hella fun in games like CSGO and I wish we were allowed to do it in more games. IDK just getting with your friends in a 5 v 5 in CSGO when the other 5 team is also all friends results in some at times fucking hilarious shit talk on both sides. At the end of the day it's all in good fun I think, even in cases like this. I'm sure after typing that malphite should get gunned down dunkey got up from his chair, poured himself a drink or got a snack and had his mind on other shit, it's not like his hate for that malphite consumed his life he was just throwin it down. Hell I can shit talk WAY worse than that.

[video=youtube;nWTW3HLRMHQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWTW3HLRMHQ[/video] so sky thinks it was deserved arey ou guys going to implode now or what because you guys seem to think it's dumb to say he deserves it but oh look antoher league content creator thinks it was deserved

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;48701259] arey ou guys going to implode now or what because you guys seem to think it's dumb to say he deserves it but oh look antoher league content creator thinks it was deserved[/QUOTE] Way to take a video with some good points and turn it around into a massive shitty generalization against a bunch of posts you never read.

Dunkey is the man his shit talk was funny you guys are too sensitive he's right about the flaws in league anyways [editline]17th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;48701259][video=youtube;nWTW3HLRMHQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWTW3HLRMHQ[/video] so sky thinks it was deserved arey ou guys going to implode now or what because you guys seem to think it's dumb to say he deserves it but oh look another league content creator thinks it was deserved[/QUOTE] Also just the fact we live in a world where people implode over someone else's personal decisions and opinions about not playing a video game anymore.

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;48701259]league content creator[/QUOTE] Ugggggggh

I like dunkeys videos but I don't really think too much of him after this. I mean what do you expect? And the fact that there's basically a whole video of butthurt on it is pathetic. I get he says shit like that to be entertaining or whateverthefuck half the time but that was beyond stupid.

I agree so much. League only made me and my friends argue. I don't even talk to them anymore. Sucks dick.

Before League, I had friends to play League with. After League, I lost my friends because of League so now I don't play it.

Never understood people who go to one guy's youtube channel to watch him play the same thing over and over and not care about anything else the guy makes. I know there are some people who just happened to attract an audience by playing something they never get tired of, but fuck man if you actually [I]have[/I] gotten sick of it and they haven't why would you just sit there and act like nothing's wrong? People aren't going to stop being a burden on you if they think everything's fine.

1) I never played LoL and never plan on it, but I still play ton of Dota 2 and WT, so I have a very solid idea about toxic attitudes in F2P games 2) I do happily shittalk people at times, in these games but how is this manchild expecting the developer to just ignore him doing what the rules explicitly forbid? No, talking shit is not part of the fucking experience in any of these games. If I am talking shit, it's because I am aware of the severity of it and if I get banned for it, I will do my ban because I am not an entitled egocentric baby who feels like the rules don't apply to them. Good on him for quitting LoL but he's still a top level pile of trash.

[QUOTE=Medevila;48718415]CS:GO casual is a cesspool of racist homophobic vitriolic shit talking and people are cool with that why is LoL above that are people seriously this fragile[/QUOTE] This isn't about fragility though? It's not that somebody has to immediately have an emotional breakdown when they get told something mean, it's maybe just that people simply don't enjoy somebody being droningly dull pile of slime and parroted insults, every match in the game over and over and over? I simply started (locally) muting people in dota when when their communication becomes more nagging and shittalking rather than something useful for teamwork, and it's not that I can't handle it or that it makes me upset, it's just something I don't need in my life, it's tiring, it's desensitizing over long stretches of time, so why the fuck does anybody expect me or anybody else to suffer it? If you talk shit, you should be aware the game and it's community, both public as well as the developers/game masters might punish you for it, and that's how it is. If that's not enough of a deterrent, then you maybe are actually in position to relieve and it might be worth it to you, but if getting banned leads to the PERPETUATOR getting UPSET over it, then haha, you are a shitlord, go eat shit and die.