[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;48735753]Mobas are way less stressful if you just mute everyone else at the start of the game.[/QUOTE]
But then your jungler waits in your bush for 3 minutes then walks right into your lane and dies
you had an even chance to beat your opposing laner, but because your jungler decicded to do what he did, [i]you[/i] get stuck with the stronger enemy and smaller chance of winning; just because of that guy who is supposed to be your teammate
Things like that are what make MOBAS so stressful
In counter--strike (an 'equally' popular game) when your teammates all feed you still have a pretty good chance of winning because your opponents all are on the same playing field as you, the only difference between you is skill. In MOBAs you have levels, gold and other things that set you [b]above[/b] your opponent. Some characters have different moves that can be stronger then others, and some characters are flat out stronger then others (its funny because they're all the ~cool~ looking champions).
These all contribute to the negative stigma
And also CS:GO is in much shorter bursts too, if you fuck up early on it's not the end of the world. If your team clings to hope in a moba you could be there for like 50 minutes and still get your ass kicked.
At least for me that makes me feel frustrated often, though I don't think I've ever lost my shit. I probably have made a few snide remarks, but never quite gone after one person like the video in OP. I always stop playing after the round finishes if I stop finding it fun.
[QUOTE=Doom14;48726990]An issue I've noticed with any game that gets a competitive scene is that you have a skill-pyramid of players and that their attitudes change throughout, with the least players on top, and the most on bottom.
[B]Very Top -[/B] Actual top-of-the-top tier competitive players. Basically demigods at whatever game. Most of them have a casual or good attitude, but there are a few sour apples.
[B]Top -[/B] Competitive players who've actually carved something out for themselves. Typically take the game pretty seriously and can come off as toxic because of that.
[B]Near Top -[/B] The vast sea of competitive washouts who cannot bring themselves to climb any higher because of an inability to get better or, more likely, that they have a dismal attitude that keeps anyone from wanting to work with them. Quick to get angry, assumes that they know everything about the game, and often have an inflated ego because they refuse to let better players put them in their place.
[B]Middle High -[/B] Pubstars and other highly skilled, but non-competitive players. Either from lack of interest, team forming, etc. Attitudes range from extremely friendly to toxic garbage, and anything inbetween. Same with their egos. Some stay here because of disinterest in competitive or are simply playing for fun, others are an even worse variety of comp washout that vents their frustration on trying to act superior over casual players.
[B]Middle -[/B] Generic decent players. Game veterans. Etc. Nothing spectacular. Attitudes are usually pretty good, and are usually informed about game mechanics.
Then from there, it's generic bad players, new players, and the unwashed braindead scum who you can't for the life of you figure out how they're operating a computer.
From not having played any, but having been in a few bad MMOs and watching plenty of friends go apeshit at DOTA/LOL - I think it's because there is simply so much riding on every match that it drives people insane. You see a lesser effect in World of Tanks. Take that in comparison to some people casually playing Team Fortress 2 or Killing Floor, where literally nothing is at stake other than pride.[/QUOTE]
I'm actually pretty sure this is what it is. I've played a game of competitive CS:GO and it was the most fun I've ever had while also losing. (I've since gotten way better.) Casual was also alright, but that's because not very many people were talking - it was purely gameplay. The only bad experience I got out of CS:GO is when I tried the AltPUG client.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UszbmwIv2D0[/media]
Here's Sky's video about it (a close friend of Dunkey's who also plays a shit ton of League)
someone posted Sky's thoughts on the last page but for some reason the video he posted was removed so I have no idea if that was the same video or what, in any case here's the video for people who haven't watched it
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48725874]MOBAs destroy friendships and make you hate people. *bunch of shit*[/QUOTE]I've met wonderful people from other countries through dota 2 who have been some of my best friends for the past 2 years. Stop blaming video games for your assholism
I like Dunkey and if something is affecting him so negatively, then he has every right to stop.
Good on Dunkey, moba's fucking suck and their communities are awful
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48725874]MOBAs destroy friendships and make you hate people. It brings out the worst in others and they put their worst qualities out in the open for everybody else to see. The whole thing itself is the most toxic shit in existence. I've not met a single MOBA player who doesn't take the game so seriously to the point that they start screaming and yelling and acting like a big autistic faggot. Yelling, screaming, and acting like a cunt to their "friends", and their friends responding in kind. I get that it's competitive but holy shit, it's a fucking game. The last time I got so mad at a video game that I turned into an autistic shitlord and started breaking things and calling people cunts and dicks was when I was a little kid. The reason MOBAs are such shit is because 90% of the community are autismal NEETs who do nothing but rank up all day every day and when they get matched with someone who's not quite at their level it completely fucking wrecks them. It's like trying to play PAYDAY 2 when you're new or just not that great. People get pissed at you and instead of trying to help you or just deal with it, they bitch and moan.
Except with MOBAs it's like you accidentally cut off an alcoholic on his way to a AA and rageaholics anonymous meeting on your way to the gas station and he now think you are the worst possible thing in the universe and that his life is in the shitter all because of you, and then he takes a tire iron out of his car and proceeds to try and beat the shit out of you. You may have never met this person but he is going to make sure that you don't forget him for ruining his rank and getting him stuck in lower-ranked matches for the next couple of days.
MOBAs were a mistake.[/QUOTE]
Dude people do this in a lot of video games, even casual stuff like COD people throw a hissy fit.
"Autismal NEETS looking to rank up all day" jesus did they kill your family or something?
I've had plenty of solo queue games where almost everyone on the team was chill, even if we were losing no one said anything, and I've had games where people acted like assholes. It's a mixed bag man, don't make sweeping generalizations over this stuff you sound so mad over it lmao
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48725874]MOBAs destroy friendships and make you hate people. It brings out the worst in others and they put their worst qualities out in the open for everybody else to see. The whole thing itself is the most toxic shit in existence. I've not met a single MOBA player who doesn't take the game so seriously to the point that they start screaming and yelling and acting like a big autistic faggot. Yelling, screaming, and acting like a cunt to their "friends", and their friends responding in kind. I get that it's competitive but holy shit, it's a fucking game. The last time I got so mad at a video game that I turned into an autistic shitlord and started breaking things and calling people cunts and dicks was when I was a little kid. The reason MOBAs are such shit is because 90% of the community are autismal NEETs who do nothing but rank up all day every day and when they get matched with someone who's not quite at their level it completely fucking wrecks them. It's like trying to play PAYDAY 2 when you're new or just not that great. People get pissed at you and instead of trying to help you or just deal with it, they bitch and moan.
Except with MOBAs it's like you accidentally cut off an alcoholic on his way to a AA and rageaholics anonymous meeting on your way to the gas station and he now think you are the worst possible thing in the universe and that his life is in the shitter all because of you, and then he takes a tire iron out of his car and proceeds to try and beat the shit out of you. You may have never met this person but he is going to make sure that you don't forget him for ruining his rank and getting him stuck in lower-ranked matches for the next couple of days.
MOBAs were a mistake.[/QUOTE]
I hear so much about the MOBA-induced rage.
I've told this to so many people, but here it goes again:
My friends are what put me off MOBA's before even trying them.
I would sit in the same Mumble-channel with them playing DotA2 and I could almost not believe how angry it made them. Couldn't bring myself to play it when it doesn't sound fun in the least.
Not to mention that everyone except for one of my friends has admitted to not raging when playing LoL, but then again; he's quite a Zen-master. So much so that another friends remarked to me about how calm he sounds.
But everyone else on MOBA's: complete and utter butt-maddity.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48725874]MOBAs destroy friendships and make you hate people. It brings out the worst in others and they put their worst qualities out in the open for everybody else to see. The whole thing itself is the most toxic shit in existence. I've not met a single MOBA player who doesn't take the game so seriously to the point that they start screaming and yelling and acting like a big autistic faggot. Yelling, screaming, and acting like a cunt to their "friends", and their friends responding in kind. I get that it's competitive but holy shit, it's a fucking game. The last time I got so mad at a video game that I turned into an autistic shitlord and started breaking things and calling people cunts and dicks was when I was a little kid. The reason MOBAs are such shit is because 90% of the community are autismal NEETs who do nothing but rank up all day every day and when they get matched with someone who's not quite at their level it completely fucking wrecks them. It's like trying to play PAYDAY 2 when you're new or just not that great. People get pissed at you and instead of trying to help you or just deal with it, they bitch and moan.
Except with MOBAs it's like you accidentally cut off an alcoholic on his way to a AA and rageaholics anonymous meeting on your way to the gas station and he now think you are the worst possible thing in the universe and that his life is in the shitter all because of you, and then he takes a tire iron out of his car and proceeds to try and beat the shit out of you. You may have never met this person but he is going to make sure that you don't forget him for ruining his rank and getting him stuck in lower-ranked matches for the next couple of days.
MOBAs were a mistake.[/QUOTE]
I've only ever played with friends, and none of us have ever gotten angry over it
maybe you should play with other people
[QUOTE=Arid;48670293]I really hate how much the word "Toxic" is being used lately, feels like i'm reading SJW posts everywhere I go.[/QUOTE]
why is referring to harmful behaviour as toxic unacceptable to you
[QUOTE=paul simon;48750831]I've only ever played with friends, and none of us have ever gotten angry over it
maybe you should play with other people[/QUOTE]
League helped me realize my anger problem (that existed prior to playing) and having worked on it, League is a helluva lot more fun now. I play League mostly with friends and the main fun of the game is how ridiculously competitive it is, on the actual gameplay level. The competitive nature of the people, however, is unbearable and requires you to play with levelminded friends or without talking to other players. People being assholes will be in every game but you have a game where tensions run high [B]for everyone involved[/B] and that turns a bunch of normal-tempered people into short-tempered 12 year olds. I have never seen the hostility found in League players to be found in other games, except some notable ones like Minecraft or Call of Duty, even then, it feels less personal in those games. My biggest piece of advice to people who want to enjoy League: remember it's a goddamn video game
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48725874]MOBAs destroy friendships and make you hate people. It brings out the worst in others and they put their worst qualities out in the open for everybody else to see. The whole thing itself is the most toxic shit in existence. I've not met a single MOBA player who doesn't take the game so seriously to the point that they start screaming and yelling and acting like a big autistic faggot. Yelling, screaming, and acting like a cunt to their "friends", and their friends responding in kind. I get that it's competitive but holy shit, it's a fucking game. The last time I got so mad at a video game that I turned into an autistic shitlord and started breaking things and calling people cunts and dicks was when I was a little kid. The reason MOBAs are such shit is because 90% of the community are autismal NEETs who do nothing but rank up all day every day and when they get matched with someone who's not quite at their level it completely fucking wrecks them. It's like trying to play PAYDAY 2 when you're new or just not that great. People get pissed at you and instead of trying to help you or just deal with it, they bitch and moan.
Except with MOBAs it's like you accidentally cut off an alcoholic on his way to a AA and rageaholics anonymous meeting on your way to the gas station and he now think you are the worst possible thing in the universe and that his life is in the shitter all because of you, and then he takes a tire iron out of his car and proceeds to try and beat the shit out of you. You may have never met this person but he is going to make sure that you don't forget him for ruining his rank and getting him stuck in lower-ranked matches for the next couple of days.
MOBAs were a mistake.[/QUOTE]
I personally have a great luck of never witnessing that, I have around at least 5 friends who I occasionally play League with and we all get along on Skype even if we lose.
I think it's only a matter of remembering that you're playing a fucking game and not the world cup.
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