• Islam in Britain
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[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21473071]because your word is infallible? [/QUOTE] You have yet to demonstrate how anything I have written about Islam is incorrect [Quote] you DO realize there are different sects of Islam, right? [/Quote]Yeah, I have already listed every mainstream sect of Islam in previous posts, you stupid fuck. Here, I'll do it again for your benefit since you are apparently incapable of reading the words on the screen. Sunni schools of Madh'hab: - 85+% of Muslims worldwide Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi'i Shi'a schools: -5-10% of Muslims worldwide Ja'afari, Imami, Zaidi, Ismaili. there are also the Alevi's. They rule Syria. I didn't mention them because they are are generally confined to the Syrian ruling class. Sufi brotherhoods (tariqas): Chisti, Naqshbari, Qadiriyyah and many, many smaller orders. Each and every one of the above sects codifies that eternal warfare against the infidel is incumbant upon all able Muslims, who must at least support it with their hearts, minds and zakat. There are small sects like the Ahmadiyya the eschew Jihad, but they constitue not even a percentage of Muslims worldwide and are condemned as mushrikun and apostates by all mainstream Islamic sects (which I mentioned just above and many other times throughout this thread, apparently you don't fucking read). [quote]what exactly is your point?[/quote]Others in this thread are scoffing at the idea that Muslims will outnumber non Muslims in Europe. I am showing how that is very possible. You would have realized that, if your stupid fucking ass was capable of reading. [Quote]Does being a racist come with the arrogant fucker package?[/Quote]Does being unable to comprehend basic english and math come with being a complete and utter fucking retard? Oh, I'm arrogant as all fucking hell when it comes to arguing the facts about Islam with ignorant and mindless drone fucks such as yourself. I am intimately familiar with the subject, while you are completely and abjectly ignorant of anything pertaining to the matters at hand. This is obvious to anyone who is reading this thread dispassionately and with half a brain. I know what I'm talking about. You don't. I'm not responding to your dumb garbage any more
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21473380]You have yet to demonstrate how anything I have written about Islam is incorrect Yeah, I have already listed every mainstream sect of Islam in previous posts, you stupid fuck. Here, I'll do it again for your benefit since you are apparently incapable of reading the words on the screen. Sunni schools of Madh'hab: - 85+% of Muslims worldwide Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi'i Shi'a schools: -5-10% of Muslims worldwide Ja'afari, Imami, Zaidi, Ismaili. there are also the Alevi's. They rule Syria. I didn't mention them because they are are generally confined to the Syrian ruling class. Sufi brotherhoods (tariqas): Chisti, Naqshbari, Qadiriyyah and many, many smaller orders. Each and every one of the above sects codifies that eternal warfare against the infidel is incumbant upon all able Muslims, who must at least support it with their hearts, minds and zakat. There are small sects like the Ahmadiyya the eschew Jihad, but they constitue not even a percentage of Muslims worldwide and are condemned as mushrikun and apostates by all mainstream Islamic sects (which I mentioned just above and many other times throughout this thread, apparently you don't fucking read). Others in this thread are scoffing at the idea that Muslims will outnumber non Muslims in Europe. I am showing how that is very possible. You would have realized that, if your stupid fucking ass was capable of reading. Does being unable to comprehend basic english and math come with being a complete and utter fucking retard? Oh, I'm arrogant as all fucking hell when it comes to arguing the facts about Islam with ignorant and mindless drone fucks such as yourself. I am intimately familiar with the subject, while you are completely and abjectly ignorant of anything pertaining to the matters at hand. This is obvious to anyone who is reading this thread dispassionately and with half a brain. I know what I'm talking about. You don't. I'm not responding to your dumb garbage any more[/QUOTE] You seem made [editline]12:04AM[/editline] I'm not even sure what you're arguing. And 8 pages of large amounts of you googling shit doesn't particularity make you infallible.
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21473753]You seem made [editline]12:04AM[/editline] I'm not even sure what you're arguing. And 8 pages of large amounts of you googling shit doesn't particularity make you infallible.[/QUOTE] You've yet to disprove him with any evidence, he keeps bring up sources and information - you haven't. I am more inclined to believe him than any of you.
[QUOTE=Vasili;21474955]You've yet to disprove him with any evidence, he keeps bring up sources and information - you haven't. I am more inclined to believe him than any of you.[/QUOTE] I'd like to point out that he has studied Islam in-depth for several years and regularly debates with people about it elsewhere, since most of the respondents here constitute complete fucking retards like Not Tishler.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21478403]I'd like to point out that he has studied Islam in-depth for several years and regularly debates with people about it elsewhere, since most of the respondents here constitute complete fucking retards like Not Tishler.[/QUOTE] A lot of his terms kinda... don't make sense. Says the guy who thinks Islam is going to take over the world and kill him. [editline]04:18AM[/editline] lol, I don't jump into a debate and argue semantics with fucking paranoid racists, therefor I'm retarded smooth, Clincalthought, smooth
Gimme a Grenade launcher, I'm sorting this shit out
[QUOTE=Vasili;21474955]You've yet to disprove him with any evidence, he keeps bring up sources and information - you haven't. I am more inclined to believe him than any of you.[/QUOTE] what sources everything people are saying are interpreted from texts that are completely open to interpenetration next they'll say "no it's not, bla bla says so". if that is true, we'd have to deny the fact that war is raged over the huge differences in interpretation but none of this matters because no-one even gives a shit why people do such horrible acts, all it is is empty labeling do not be fooled by their name quoting and copy-paste grammar, they're not interested in any debate [editline]09:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=heatsketch;21473380] Others in this thread are scoffing at the idea that Muslims will outnumber non Muslims in Europe. I am showing how that is very possible. You would have realized that, if your stupid fucking ass was capable of reading. [/QUOTE] you will not get anyone to agree with you when posting like this
[QUOTE=thisispain;21479391]what sources everything people are saying are interpreted from texts that are completely open to interpenetration next they'll say "no it's not, bla bla says so". if that is true, we'd have to deny the fact that war is raged over the huge differences in interpretation but none of this matters because no-one even gives a shit why people do such horrible acts, all it is is empty labeling do not be fooled by their name quoting and copy-paste grammar, they're not interested in any debate[/QUOTE] Wars are not waged over the concept of Jihad. There is little disagreement there. Interreligious wars between Muslims in fact are part of Jihad; the Muslim sects on either side consider the others to be "hypocrites", "apostates", or "kufr". Some parts of Islam are open to interpretation, I believe I mentioned earlier debate over whether or not certain things are mushbooh, but the different schools of madh'hab had codified the doctrine of Jihad 1000 years ago at the closing of the gate of Ijtihad. You say it's open to interpretation; so show me a notable fiqah from a mainstream, orthodox sect of Islam who unequivically condemns any sort of aggression against unbelievers, including for such "attacks" on Islam as criticism and mockery, and who says that it is not the duty of Muslims to subdue Muslims for all time. And I don't mean dissemblers like Tariq Ramadan. I have named numerous Muslim theologians and listed every mainstream sect of Islam along with dozens of clear and explicit commands from the Qur'an and Sunnah. It is open to interpretation in the same way Nazism is open for interpretation: they can quibble over semantics, but the overall theme of supremacy over and violent imperialism against the other is solid, whether it's the mainstream national socialists, the libertarian national socialist green party, the world church of the creator or a million other offshoots. If I'm not interested in debate, why am I here? Can you actually produce any evidence that refutes anything I have said, in this post or any other? Or are you just going to engage in ad hominem and projections while ignoring everything I have said about the very interpretations you claim don't matter? "Don't be fooled by the facts and evidence they present, just listen to me!" you're rich. [quote] you will not get anyone to agree with you when posting like this[/QUOTE] Whether or not I have an angry and aggressive tone doesn't change the facts I lay down. Did you deny that 1+1 = 2 if your math teacher yelled at you?
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21479846]Wars are not waged over the concept of Jihad. There is little disagreement there. Interreligious wars between Muslims in fact are part of Jihad; the Muslim sects on either side consider the others to be "hypocrites", "apostates", or "kufr". Some parts of Islam are open to interpretation, I believe I mentioned earlier debate over whether or not certain things are mushbooh, but the different schools of madh'hab had codified the doctrine of Jihad 1000 years ago at the closing of the gate of Ijtihad. You say it's open to interpretation; so show me a notable fiqah from a mainstream, orthodox sect of Islam who unequivically condemns any sort of aggression against unbelievers, including for such "attacks" on Islam as criticism and mockery, and who says that it is not the duty of Muslims to subdue Muslims for all time. And I don't mean dissemblers like Tariq Ramadan. I have named numerous Muslim theologians and listed every mainstream sect of Islam along with dozens of clear and explicit commands from the Qur'an and Sunnah. It is open to interpretation in the same way Nazism is open for interpretation: they can quibble over semantics, but the overall theme of supremacy over and violent imperialism against the other is solid, whether it's the mainstream national socialists, the libertarian national socialist green party, the world church of the creator or a million other offshoots. [/QUOTE] what does that have to do with what i said?
This thread seems like people going to great lengths to try to justify their xenophobia/racism.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21479846] Whether or not I have an angry and aggressive tone doesn't change the facts I lay down. Did you deny that 1+1 = 2 if your math teacher yelled at you?[/QUOTE] that's a fallacy
[QUOTE=thisispain;21480262]that's a fallacy[/QUOTE] It's heatsketch, my boy
you know what, 1+1 = 2 therefor [b]my[/b] argument is correct argue with that silly
fuck me, brb slitting wrists
Okay, I am back in this argument, heatsketch, I thought you maybe a reasonable person, but goddamn you're another Xenophobic Retard. Also, Why not Murder the Chinese, huh? They're, overpopulated, therefor they will take over the world just to kill of two people, in fact, at Islamiat Class at my school the first thing they taught me was to kill heatsketch and Criticalthought by having children.
[QUOTE=mchapra;21484030]Okay, I am back in this argument, heatsketch, I thought you maybe a reasonable person, but goddamn you're another Xenophobic Retard. Also, Why not Murder the Chinese, huh? They're, overpopulated, therefor they will take over the world just to kill of two people, in fact, at Islamiat Class at my school the first thing they taught me was to kill heatsketch and Criticalthought by having children.[/QUOTE] For one, the Chinese don't have a doctrine requiring the entire world to be Chinese, second, how is pointing out statistics racist?
[QUOTE=mchapra;21484030]Okay, I am back in this argument, heatsketch, I thought you maybe a reasonable person, but goddamn you're another Xenophobic Retard. Also, Why not Murder the Chinese, huh? They're, overpopulated, therefor they will take over the world just to kill of two people, in fact, at Islamiat Class at my school the first thing they taught me was to kill heatsketch and Criticalthought by having children.[/QUOTE] So far, I have made two claims in this thread. 1: That Islam is inherently supremacist, that Muhammad was not a nice, peaceful person, and that every mainstream, orthodox Islamic sect preaches eternal warfare against the dar al-harb until religion is only for Allah. You yourself admitted that you couldn't dispute any of that. (actually 3 claims, but they are all pertaining to the inherent nature of Islam so I lump them together) 2: That, if you look at birth rates, you see that Muslims have more children than non-Muslims in Europe. This means that, unless Muslims either start having less children, or non-Muslims start having more, Muslims will soon outnumber non-Muslims in Europe. That's a fact backed up by UN statistics and basic math. I never said that Muslims are taught to conquer the world by having babies. I never said anything of the sort. All I said was that Muslims have more children than non-Muslims, which is a demonstrable, incontrovertible fact. Now, how is any of that "racist" or "xenophobic"? I have yet to see anyone actually dispute anything that I have actually written. [editline]04:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;21479906]what does that have to do with what i said?[/QUOTE] You said that Islam is open to "interpenetration" (I assumed you meant "interpretation") so I was explaining how all mainstream interpretations agree on the basic imperatives to subjugate the infidel.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21471947]Oh, and no one said "The fact that the Muslims are breeding ten times faster than us", so stop paraphrasing in a way that twists what people say.[/QUOTE] He says those [b]exact[/b] words at the end of the first video.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21484947]So far, I have made two claims in this thread. 1: That Islam is inherently supremacist, that Muhammad was not a nice, peaceful person, and that every mainstream, orthodox Islamic sect preaches eternal warfare against the dar al-harb until religion is only for Allah. You yourself admitted that you couldn't dispute any of that. (actually 3 claims, but they are all pertaining to the inherent nature of Islam so I lump them together) 2: That, if you look at birth rates, you see that Muslims have more children than non-Muslims in Europe. This means that, unless Muslims either start having less children, or non-Muslims start having more, Muslims will soon outnumber non-Muslims in Europe. That's a fact backed up by UN statistics and basic math. I never said that Muslims are taught to conquer the world by having babies. I never said anything of the sort. All I said was that Muslims have more children than non-Muslims, which is a demonstrable, incontrovertible fact. Now, how is any of that "racist" or "xenophobic"? I have yet to see anyone actually dispute anything that I have actually written.[/QUOTE] 1: That just Proved my claim, you are Xenophobic. 2: Than why are you and your buddy claiming that the muslims will increase in population and kill us all. [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21484880]For one, the Chinese don't have a doctrine requiring the entire world to be Chinese, second, how is pointing out statistics racist?[/QUOTE] Christians have one. You don't see me bring that up. OH SNAP!
[QUOTE=dirty harry;21485696]He says those [b]exact[/b] words at the end of the first video.[/QUOTE] Okay well you're not arguing with whoever that old fuck is, you're arguing with heatsketch, and nowhere did he say Muslims are breeding ten times faster. I said make what you want of the text and whatever is in the video, it's the footage itself that is interesting. [editline]01:06PM[/editline] [QUOTE=mchapra;21485731]1: That just Proved my claim, you are Xenophobic. 2: Than why are you and your buddy claiming that the muslims will increase in population and kill us all. Christians have one. You don't see me bring that up. OH SNAP![/QUOTE] 1. Xenophobic means fear of the unknown, and he seems to know way more about Islam than you do. 2. That was never said, and I said I am marked for death in an increasingly Muslim world. heatsketch explained exactly what that means: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=21472192&postcount=302[/url] Also no, Christians don't have that, show me where they do if that's what you think.
[QUOTE=mchapra;21485731]1: That just Proved my claim, you are Xenophobic. 2: Than why are you and your buddy claiming that the muslims will increase in population and kill us all.[/QUOTE] Neither you nor anyone else has been able to dispute or refute anything I have said about Islam. Islam is very clear and specific about what it teaches. It is not "xenophobic" to honestly examine the texts and teachings contained within it. Saying that the doctrine of Islam commands warfare and violence doesn't say anything about people who call themselves Muslim, and it's not xenophobic to oppose a set of ideas. In fact, I have said earlier in this thread that most Muslims aren't violent and don't want to force themselves on unbelievers. I guess you don't like to read what I write. I never claimed that "Muslims will increase in population and kill all of us". I claimed that, if trends don't change, Muslims will soon outnumber non-Muslims in Europe. I also claimed that if Critical Thought lived under Shariah law, he would be marked for death, something which you have also failed to dispute. You are putting words in my mouth. [quote] Christians have one. You don't see me bring that up. OH SNAP![/quote]As I have already explained elsewhere in this thread, there is not a single verse in the bible which exhorts it's followers to wage eternal war against unbelievers until the world is only for YHWH. Your entire argument against me consists of name calling. [editline]05:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=dirty harry;21485696]He says those [B]exact[/B] words at the end of the first video.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I didn't finish watching the video. I thought you were talking about a facepunch user. I don't tend to give much credence to emotional appeals contained in those videos, as much fun as they may be to watch.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21485750] 2. That was never said, and I said I am marked for death in an increasingly Muslim world. heatsketch explained exactly what that means: [URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=21472192&postcount=302[/URL][/QUOTE] so what? Christianity is the majority in the world and the bible calls for my execution. [editline]11:48PM[/editline] [QUOTE=heatsketch;21485997]Neither you nor anyone else has been able to dispute or refute anything I have said about Islam. Islam is very clear and specific about what it teaches. [/QUOTE] lol, you keep taking scripture out of context, nothing much to refute. Just because you keep googling and throwing out information, doesn't mean you understand it. uh, it can be interpreted many ways.
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