• Islam in Britain
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[QUOTE=Cronus;21431800]Do you seriously believe that all muslims are on a mission to destroy our way of life? Why do you refer to them as if it's some sort of global conspiracy? What information are you supposed to get from the video? It's not particularly objective. So you worked with one old guy who you assume talked bad about you because you were a dick to him, bravo.[/QUOTE] There isn't much you can do to really argue against these people, since they'll always maintain their pretensions and slam our arguments in our face without logic.
I feel like it would be fantastic for someone to go to a roof of a building near one of those "marches" set up tons of sound equipment, and play a recording of someone screaming "THIS IS THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD SPEAKING. I AM A GIGANTIC FAGGOT, PLEASE RAPE MY FACE." on repeat and lock the doors that lead to the roof. Seriously, religious fanatics must be the most troll-able people in the world.
Taking those extreme people say as a serious threat seems to be the exact same as taking what the westboro people as a threat. AKA, most people in this thread seems to generalize a group of people by a minority.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21431790]You give me the awful impression of someone who's never seen Britain. Else you would know that such a thing is impossible, hence the words paranoid and lunatic comes to mind.[/QUOTE] You say you see me as a person who has never been to Britain, which in itself is irrelevant, and then make a claim which you can not back up. [QUOTE=thisispain;21431790]I am not. People born in Britain are British, don't disguise your racism as nationalistic "well-doing". If British people want to be Muslim, I, as a person who does believe in free religion, would fully grant them that wish.[/QUOTE] While legally being born in Britain makes you a British citizen, that does not make them included in the same grouping as those who descended from British heritage. Also stop ignorantly referring to Islam as a race when Islamic countries range from Arabic to Asian to African to Caucasian. Yes, I agree that people should be free to believe whatever they want, what is happening in reality though is the Muslims are trying to force their beliefs on others, which is in opposition to upholding that very right to have freedom of belief. [QUOTE=thisispain;21431790]Don't attempt to demean me when you have no idea what my position is. It shows bad character first of all on your part, second of all, it shows that you do not know at all what the idea of this argument is. Do not cover your ignorance in the subject by putting forth the idea that I lack comprehension or an "attention-span".[/QUOTE] Well, when you say "No-one knows what the fuck they are talking about anyway." in response to a video of people clearly stating what they are talking about in plain English, it is you who is demeaning yourself. Nice attempt to pull a persecution card while being a hypocrite and doing the exact same thing. [QUOTE=thisispain;21431790]Same argument as the "I have a black friend". Regardless of this proposition, your argument shows you have not.[/QUOTE] Except the argument of "I have a black friend" is meant to show that resentful feelings against all black people do not exist in the person, this point is entirely different in that I don't care what you think my feelings for all Muslims are, it is that I have in fact encountered Muslims in my daily life. [QUOTE=thisispain;21431790]Usage of the word dhimmitude shows your pretension about Islamic people.[/QUOTE] Please explain to me why this is a bad thing as dhimmitude is a major concern for non-Muslims. [QUOTE=thisispain;21431790]You are overstating support on your part.[/QUOTE] No actually, I'm pointing out that no one can make any sense of your post that doesn't put forth any information other than wild claims about what you are perceiving. [QUOTE=thisispain;21431790]Hahha, absolutely not. Islam in Britain is negligible.[/QUOTE] Okay, here is what looks like the beginning of an actual counter argument, except that you have yet again not done anything to attempt to back it up. If you are going to continue posting, do so in this fashion but elaborate on your points instead of just claiming them as fact, which they are not, and then moving on. [QUOTE=Cronus;21431800]Do you seriously believe that all muslims are on a mission to destroy our way of life?[/QUOTE] No but as you may have missed the ones that aren't consciously attacking it are supporting the ones that are. [QUOTE=Cronus;21431800]Why do you refer to them as if it's some sort of global conspiracy?[/QUOTE] Because by definition that is exactly what it is. Maybe you should look what you're talking about instead of thinking from the popular connotation about the word. [QUOTE=Cronus;21431800]What information are you supposed to get from the video? It's not particularly objective.[/QUOTE] Without any text or British propaganda interlaced the actual video itself stands on it's own. [QUOTE=Cronus;21431800]So you worked with one old guy who you assume talked bad about you because you were a dick to him, bravo.[/QUOTE] One example, misunderstood what I wrote, he actually wanted to be friends and invited me over to his apartment so he could cook me a curry dinner and teach me yoga. I respectfully declined.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21432524]You say you see me as a person who has never been to Britain, which in itself is irrelevant, and then make a claim which you can not back up.[/QUOTE] It is not irrelevant in the slightest sense. [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21432524]While legally being born in Britain makes you a British citizen, that does not make them included in the same grouping as those who descended from British heritage. Also stop ignorantly referring to Islam as a race when Islamic countries range from Arabic to Asian to African to Caucasian.[/QUOTE] It is racism because it's obvious you are referring to all middle-eastern people. It even occurs in your statement. Also, British Heritage means nothing, for British people are a mixture of Spaniards, Romans, and everything else they managed to rape or procreate with. It doesn't change the fact that you are simply covering up your racism with the heritage argument, an argument which is flawed, an argument advocated by the BNP. [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21432524]Yes, I agree that people should be free to believe whatever they want, what is happening in reality though is the Muslims are trying to force their beliefs on others, which is in opposition to upholding that very right to have freedom of belief.[/QUOTE] What you are suggesting, unless this has all been meaningless babble, is no different from the paranoia you have created in your head. If you truly do believe all Muslims want to rule the world, then you truly must believe that Jews rule the world, AIDS was invented to kill black people, and North Korea is best Korea, because they all make just about the same sense and they all are completely ridiculous to hold. [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21432524]Well, when you say "No-one knows what the fuck they are talking about anyway." in response to a video of people clearly stating what they are talking about in plain English, it is you who is demeaning yourself. Nice attempt to pull a persecution card while being a hypocrite and doing the exact same thing.[/QUOTE] This is completely useless. Stop detracting from the question. [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21432524]Except the argument of "I have a black friend" is meant to show that resentful feelings against all black people do not exist in the person, this point is entirely different in that I don't care what you think my feelings for all Muslims are, it is that I have in fact encountered Muslims in my daily life.[/QUOTE] Your feelings are exposed in your argument, I don't know how you can be saying this. [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21432524]Please explain to me why this is a bad thing as dhimmitude is a major concern for non-Muslims.[/QUOTE] It's a major concern? 3% percent says no. Though considering you don't think British- Born Islamic Arab people are actually British, I'm not surprised you'd make such a rash statement. [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21432524]No actually, I'm pointing out that no one can make any sense of your post that doesn't put forth any information other than wild claims about what you are perceiving.[/QUOTE] Extremely ironic. [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21432524]Okay, here is what looks like the beginning of an actual counter argument, except that you have yet again not done anything to attempt to back it up. If you are going to continue posting, do so in this fashion but elaborate on your points instead of just claiming them as fact, which they are not, and then moving on.[/QUOTE] Back it up? Suddenly a fucking youtube video becomes infallible? [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21432524]One example, misunderstood what I wrote, he actually wanted to be friends and invited me over to his apartment so he could cook me a curry dinner and teach me yoga. I respectfully declined.[/QUOTE] This is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21432524] No but as you may have missed the ones that aren't consciously attacking it are supporting the ones that are. [/QUOTE] Are you saying every single muslim wants things like Sharia law? [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21432524] Because by definition that is exactly what it is. Maybe you should look what you're talking about instead of thinking from the popular connotation about the word. [/QUOTE] [B]con·spir·a·cies[/B] [B]1. [/B] An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act. [B]2. [/B] A group of conspirators. [B]3. [/B] [I]Law[/I] An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action. [B]4. [/B] A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas. Unless all muslims are connected through some kind of hivemind I don't see a way for them to all be in on the same plan which some of them will then deny to be a part of for some reason. [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21432524] Without any text or British propaganda interlaced the actual video itself stands on it's own. [/QUOTE] A bunch of people standing in the street and yelling tells me nothing if I don't know who they are, how many they are and what they are saying. By the way, you say immigration and birth rates will cause enormous growth in the muslim population. Don't you think that second generation muslims will be better integrated into British society and will therefore be less extreme in their beliefs. Though I do not know in how far the muslim populations are segregated, which would affect integration.
Why is Islam any different from any other religion that has happily existed within our shores? All religious groups have tried to impose their beliefs on others and generally they fail. What does Islam have that is so much more persuasive? The vague billion-to-one possibility of a terrorist attack? That the aforementioned terrorism will serve for anything more than turning the general populace against Islam?
[QUOTE=thisispain;21431790] People born in Britain are British, don't disguise your racism as nationalistic "well-doing". [/QUOTE] That's kind of condescending. It's up to the people themselves to decide whether they are British or not. The dogma of Islam says that a Muslim can have no allegiances above Islam. Because of this, many devout "British" Muslims don't consider themselves British. Who are you to tell them they are British because of something arbitrary like the piece of land they were born on? If they consider their nationality to be part of the "Ummah" then that is their choice and no amount of wishing otherwise will change that.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21433028]It is not irrelevant in the slightest sense[/QUOTE] Explain how it is relevant. [QUOTE=thisispain;21433028]It is racism because it's obvious you are referring to all middle-eastern people. It even occurs in your statement. Also, British Heritage means nothing, for British people are a mixture of Spaniards, Romans, and everything else they managed to rape or procreate with. It doesn't change the fact that you are simply covering up your racism with the heritage argument, an argument which is flawed, an argument advocated by the BNP.[/QUOTE] Where is it obvious that I am referring to ALL middle eastern people? How did you reach this conclusion? Were did I say anything about the BNP? [QUOTE=thisispain;21433028]What you are suggesting, unless this has all been meaningless babble, is no different from the paranoia you have created in your head. If you truly do believe all Muslims want to rule the world, then you truly must believe that Jews rule the world, AIDS was invented to kill black people, and North Korea is best Korea, because they all make just about the same sense and they all are completely ridiculous to hold. [/QUOTE] This statement is completely asinine, the only thing that doesn't make sense is how you reached this conclusion. For the record, Jews have no religious scripture which requires them to conquer the entire world and enforce Judaism as the only religion, I am not aware of any scientific evidence to support that AIDS was "created" as there are similar diseases throughout the animal kingdom (although I thought that retarded conspiracy was that it supposed to wipe out gay people?), North Korea is an authoritarian communist country, both of those things I oppose (although in reality they go hand-in-hand). Please form an argument instead of attempting to draw attention away from the subject. [QUOTE=thisispain;21433028]This is completely useless. Stop detracting from the question.[/QUOTE] That's you who is doing that. [QUOTE=thisispain;21433028]Your feelings are exposed in your argument, I don't know how you can be saying this.[/QUOTE] Where are my feelings exposed in my argument, how did you reach this conclusion? [QUOTE=thisispain;21433028]It's a major concern? 3% percent says no. Though considering you don't think British- Born Islamic Arab people are actually British, I'm not surprised you'd make such a rash statement.[/QUOTE] The current population may be 3%, that is not what the issue is about. Also I agreed that they are legally British, but they are not descended from the British civilization that has inhabited the island for hundreds of years, trying to argue that they are would be foolish. Please try to read my posts before responding to them. [QUOTE=thisispain;21433028]Back it up? Suddenly a fucking youtube video becomes infallible?[/QUOTE] The topic of the thread is Islam in Britain. If you have any input on that topic you need to include some form of material that would verify your claim. [QUOTE=thisispain;21433028]This is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Fact > your opinion [QUOTE=Cronus;21433082]Are you saying every single muslim wants things like Sharia law? Unless all muslims are connected through some kind of hivemind I don't see a way for them to all be in on the same plan which some of them will then deny to be a part of for some reason.[/QUOTE] It only needs two or more people to make it a conspiracy, and there are way more than two. Also your argument that Islam doesn't dictate destroying all non-Muslims because some of them dispute it is asinine. [QUOTE=Cronus;21433082]A bunch of people standing in the street and yelling tells me nothing if I don't know who they are, how many they are and what they are saying. By the way, you say immigration and birth rates will cause enormous growth in the muslim population. Don't you think that second generation muslims will be better integrated into British society and will therefore be less extreme in their beliefs. Though I do not know in how far the muslim populations are segregated, which would affect integration.[/QUOTE] Why this may be true, most Muslim's strictly indoctrinate their children into their beliefs and a lot of immigrant Muslims live in Muslim communities.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21434180]That's kind of condescending. It's up to the people themselves to decide whether they are British or not. The dogma of Islam says that a Muslim can have no allegiances above Islam. Because of this, many devout "British" Muslims don't consider themselves British. Who are you to tell them they are British because of something arbitrary like the piece of land they were born on? If they consider their nationality to be part of the "Ummah" then that is their choice and no amount of wishing otherwise will change that.[/QUOTE] Woah woah woah, I wasn't suggesting any kind of forced national identity, I was simply responding to the other person's idea that only people who are "British descended" are British.
[QUOTE=Disarray;21426636] Islam in my opinion [B][I]can[/I][/B] be a very violent ideology as well as a very peaceful one. It seems that the violent side seems to outshout the peaceful side. I don't think the free world can be ruled by a law that permits the jailing of people over public shows of affection or the stoning young girls to death over the fact they are virgin or not. To me it seems a step backwards in development and is the complete opposite of what needs to be done since we have issues that need the global community to work together and promote free speech and suggest controversial opinions on certain subjects.[/QUOTE] This isn't an issue of opinion, and I'd like to know if you've spent any time studying the Qur'an, the Sunnah, and the Fiqh of the various schools of Madh'hab (Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali, Shafii, Jaafari, Imami, Zaidi, Ismaili, etc). If you had, you would understand that Islam at it's core is a violent, political ideology. It was created by Muhammad to obtain power and wealth. Muhammad was no fool. The memetic structure he created has the lasting power of few others. The Qur'an was revealed by Muhammad over a period of time. It can be split into two basic sections. The Meccan Qur'an, and the Medinan Qur'an. The Meccan Qur'an are the passages revealed early on in Muhammad's career, before the Meccans expelled him from the city. At this point in time he had little political or military power, his followers mostly relegated to his extended family. It was after Muhammad migrated to Medina that the revelations changed. As he gained more wealth, might and followers, the revelations became more and more imperialist, culminating in Surah at-Taubah, the second last to be revealed and one of the most violent and supremacist chapters in the Qur'an (the Qur'an is not arranged in chronological order, but by length of Surah, going from longest to shortest. you can find the chronology here: [URL]http://www.bombaxo.com/chronsurs.html[/URL]) Now, the word of Allah is eternal and everlasting. It cannot be changed or abrogated by any mere mortal. The only thing that can abrogate the word of Allah is: the word of Allah (as per Qur'an al-Baqarah 106 and an-Nahl 101). [quote] 2:106: None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things? [/quote] [quote]16:101: And when We change a message for a message — and Allah knows best what He reveals — they say: Thou art only a forger. Nay, most of them know not. [/quote] So what this means, is that any contradictions in the Qur'an, are abrogated by the ayat or surah revealed later chronologically. What one finds, when one examines the small amount of exhortations to peace and tolerance in the Qur'an (not including the "no compulsion in religion" verse, which is routinely taken out of context by apologists, something I will touch on another time), is that they are almost universally confined to the Meccan period. I am going to copy+paste many violent passages from both the Qur'an, and the Sunnah (which is comprised of accounts of the life, words and deeds of Muhammad and which is the basis of Shariah law the world over). I'm sure I will be accused of quote mining or taking things out of context. The context game is fallacious, for reasons I stated above. Allah's word is eternal and omnipotent, and cannot be abrogated by anything, including historical context. His commands of violence are not locked down by any language confining them to a time and place. If time, place and historical context abrogate the eternal word of Allah, it can't really be "eternal" can it? The sheer overwhelming amount of clear and explicit exhortations to violence against "unbelievers" as well as the accounts of Muhammad's life are all the evidence one needs, straight from the core and holiest Islamic sources themselves, that Islam is not in any way peaceful by the regularly accepted western definition.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21431790]People born in Britain are British, don't disguise your racism as nationalistic "well-doing".[/QUOTE] I was born in Berlin, Germany. But I was raised in Britain, I wouldn't say I was German.
Ireland gets it's fair share of immigrants, and I don't mind them, but what pisses me off is immigrants who come to Ireland, don't bother learning English, don't bother trying to integrate into the community. I mean, I've got a couple of immigrant friends in school and they're pretty cool, but in my friend's school there's a load of middle eastern migrants who just hang around with themselves and barely talk to anyone else. They also get off class by saying they have to go "pray", my friend went toilet, found a load of them in there and just said "get the fuck out"
[QUOTE=thisispain;21434919]Woah woah woah, I wasn't suggesting any kind of forced national identity, I was simply responding to the other person's idea that only people who are "British descended" are British.[/QUOTE] lol I never suggested you suggested that. I agree with you that nationality isn't only defined by skin colour or ethnicity, and I don't think that Critical Thought suggested that Britain was only for white people. Nationality is determined by a number of factors, [I]including[/I] the mindset of the person involved. If someone was born in Britain, raised in Britain, and hell, even has white skin, but converts to Islam and declares their allegiance solely to the Ummah, then that person has defined him or herself as not British. [editline]11:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=heatsketch;21435036]This isn't an issue of opinion, and I'd like to know if you've spent any time studying the Qur'an, the Sunnah, and the Fiqh of the various schools of Madh'hab (Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali, Shafii, Jaafari, Imami, Zaidi, Ismaili, etc). If you had, you would understand that Islam at it's core is a violent, political ideology. It was created by Muhammad to obtain power and wealth. Muhammad was no fool. The memetic structure he created has the lasting power of few others. The Qur'an was revealed by Muhammad over a period of time. It can be split into two basic sections. The Meccan Qur'an, and the Medinan Qur'an. The Meccan Qur'an are the passages revealed early on in Muhammad's career, before the Meccans expelled him from the city. At this point in time he had little political or military power, his followers mostly relegated to his extended family. It was after Muhammad migrated to Medina that the revelations changed. As he gained more wealth, might and followers, the revelations became more and more imperialist, culminating in Surah at-Taubah, the second last to be revealed and one of the most violent and supremacist chapters in the Qur'an (the Qur'an is not arranged in chronological order, but by length of Surah, going from longest to shortest. you can find the chronology here: [URL]http://www.bombaxo.com/chronsurs.html[/URL]) Now, the word of Allah is eternal and everlasting. It cannot be changed or abrogated by any mere mortal. The only thing that can abrogate the word of Allah is: the word of Allah (as per Qur'an al-Baqarah 106 and an-Nahl 101). So what this means, is that any contradictions in the Qur'an, are abrogated by the ayat or surah revealed later chronologically. What one finds, when one examines the small amount exhortations to peace and tolerance in the Qur'an (not including the "no compulsion in religion" verse, which is routinely taken out of context by apologists, something I will touch on another time), is that they are almost universally confined to the Meccan period. I am going to copy+paste many violent passages from both the Qur'an, and the Sunnah (which is comprised of accounts of the life, words and deeds of Muhammad and which is the basis of Shariah law the world over). I'm sure I will be accused of quote mining or taking things out of context. The context game is fallacious, for reasons I stated above. Allah's word is eternal and omnipotent, and cannot be abrogated by anything, including historical context. His commands of violence are not locked down by any language confining them to a time and place. If time, place and historical context abrogate the eternal word of Allah, it can't really be "eternal" can it? The sheer overwhelming amount of clear and explicit exhortations to violence against "unbelievers" as well as the accounts of Muhammad's life are all the evidence one needs, straight from the core and holiest Islamic sources themselves, that Islam is not in any way peaceful by the regularly accepted western definition.[/QUOTE] Violence, Hate, Subjugation, Rape and Slavery in the Qur'an and Sunnah (the two main authenticated (sahih) hadith, al-Bukhari and Muslim, the hadith Sunan Abu Dawud, and the Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq) Qur'an: 2.24 "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." 2.191-193 "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." 2.225 "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" 2.244 "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." 2.216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." 2.223 "Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad). " 2.228 "Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise." 3.28 "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." 3.56 "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." 3.85 "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers." 3.118 "O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse" 3.151 "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". 4.11 "Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females, and if there be women more than two, then theirs is two-thirds of the inheritance, and if there be one (only) then the half. And to each of his parents a sixth of the inheritance, if he have a son; and if he have no son and his parents are his heirs, then to his mother appertaineth the third; and if he have brethren, then to his mother appertaineth the sixth, after any legacy he may have bequeathed, or debt (hath been paid). Your parents and your children: Ye know not which of them is nearer unto you in usefulness. It is an injunction from Allah. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise." 4.24 "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." 4.34 "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great." 4.74 "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." 4.89 "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." 4.95 "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward" 4.101 "For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies" 4.144 "Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred." 5.33 "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" 5.49 "So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them lest they seduce thee from some part of that which Allah hath revealed unto thee" 5.51 "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk." 5.80 "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." 6.93 "Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah?" 8.12 "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" 8.39 "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" 8.55 "Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe" 8.60 "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know " 9.3 "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith." 9.5 "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." 9.20 "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." 9.23 "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" 9.29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." 9.38/39 "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." 9.41 "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." 9.73 "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." 9.88 "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper." 9.111 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." 9.123 "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." 13.15 "And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly" 16.75 "Allah sets forth the Parable (of two men: one) a slave under the dominion of another; He has no power of any sort; and (the other) a man on whom We have bestowed goodly favours from Ourselves, and he spends thereof (freely), privately and publicly: are the two equal? (By no means;) praise be to Allah." 16.106 "Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." 18.26 "Say: 'Allah knows best how long they stayed: with Him is (the knowledge of) the secrets of the heavens and the earth: how clearly He sees, how finely He hears (everything)! They have no protector other than Him; nor does He share His Command with any person whatsoever.'" 24.32 "And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." 25.52 "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur'an). 33.27 "And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things." 33.50 "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" 33.57-61 "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained" And those who malign believing men and believing women undeservedly, they bear the guilt of slander and manifest sin. O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful. If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbours in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter. 40.28 "A believer, a man from among the people of Pharaoh, who had concealed his faith, said: "Will ye slay a man because he says, 'My Lord is Allah'?- when he has indeed come to you with Clear (Signs) from your Lord? and if he be a liar, on him is (the sin of) his lie: but, if he is telling the Truth, then will fall on you something of the (calamity) of which he warns you: Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies!" 47.4 "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners," 47.35 - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost, for Allah is with you" 48.17 "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." 48.29 "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" 53.29 "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world." 58.20 "Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be among those most humiliated." 58.22 "Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred." 61.4 "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" 61.10-12 "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." 65.4 "Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy." 66.5 "Maybe, his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent, adorers, fasters, widows and virgins" 66.9 "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." 98.6 "Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures." Hadith Sahih Bukhari: 2.28: The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you." 4.241: Once the Prophet was offering prayers at the Ka'ba. Abu Jahl was sitting with some of his companions. One of them said to the others, "Who amongst you will bring the abdominal contents (intestines, etc.) of a camel of Bani so and so and put it on the back of Muhammad, when he prostrates?" The most unfortunate of them got up and brought it. He waited till the Prophet prostrated and then placed it on his back between his shoulders. I was watching but could not do any thing. I wish I had some people with me to hold out against them. They started laughing and falling on one another. Allah's Apostle was in prostration and he did not lift his head up till Fatima (Prophet's daughter) came and threw that (camel's abdominal contents) away from his back. He raised his head and said thrice, "O Allah! Punish Quraish." So it was hard for Abu Jahl and his companions when the Prophet invoked Allah against them as they had a conviction that the prayers and invocations were accepted in this city (Mecca). The Prophet said, "O Allah! Punish Abu Jahl, 'Utba bin Rabi'a, Shaiba bin Rabi'a, Al-Walid bin 'Utba, Umaiya bin Khalaf, and 'Uqba bin Al Mu'it (and he mentioned the seventh whose name I cannot recall). By Allah in Whose Hands my life is, I saw the dead bodies of those persons who were counted by Allah's Apostle in the Qalib (one of the wells) of Badr. 6.301: Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." 8.387: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah 11.626: The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to c awl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses." 34.351: A man decided that a slave of his would be manumitted after his death and later on he was in need of money, so the Prophet took the slave and said, "Who will buy this slave from me?" Nu'aim bin 'Abdullah bought him for such and such price and the Prophet gave him the slave. 47.743: The Prophet sent for a woman from the emigrants and she had a slave who was a carpenter. The Prophet said to her "Order your slave to prepare the wood (pieces) for the pulpit." So, she ordered her slave who went and cut the wood from the tamarisk and prepared the pulpit, for the Prophet. When he finished the pulpit, the woman informed the Prophet that it had been finished. The Prophet asked her to send that pulpit to him, so they brought it. The Prophet lifted it and placed it at the place in which you see now." 47.765: the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted [freed] a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles." 48.826: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind." 49.857: He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar. 52.54: I would love to be martyred in Al1ah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred. 52.177: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." 52.220: Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror' 52.256: The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." 52.260: Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' 52.269: The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.' 52.271: The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like." The Prophet replied, "I do (i.e. allow you). 53.386: 'Umar sent the Muslims to the great countries to fight the pagans. When Al-Hurmuzan embraced Islam, 'Umar said to him. "I would like to consult you regarding these countries which I intend to invade." Al-Hurmuzan said, "Yes, the example of these countries and their inhabitants who are the enemies. of the Muslims, is like a bird with a head, two wings and two legs; If one of its wings got broken, it would get up over its two legs, with one wing and the head; and if the other wing got broken, it would get up with two legs and a head, but if its head got destroyed, then the two legs, two wings and the head would become useless. The head stands for Khosrau, and one wing stands for Caesar and the other wing stands for Faris. So, order the Muslims to go towards Khosrau." So, 'Umar sent us (to Khosrau) appointing An-Numan bin Muqrin as our commander. When we reached the land of the enemy, the representative of Khosrau came out with forty-thousand warriors, and an interpreter got up saying, "Let one of you talk to me!" Al-Mughira replied, "Ask whatever you wish." The other asked, "Who are you?" Al-Mughira replied, "We are some people from the Arabs; we led a hard, miserable, disastrous life: we used to suck the hides and the date stones from hunger; we used to wear clothes made up of fur of camels and hair of goats, and to worship trees and stones. While we were in this state, the Lord of the Heavens and the Earths, Elevated is His Remembrance and Majestic is His Highness, sent to us from among ourselves a Prophet whose father and mother are known to us. Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master." (Al-Mughira, then blamed An-Numan for delaying the attack and) An-Nu' man said to Al-Mughira, "If you had participated in a similar battle, in the company of Allah's Apostle he would not have blamed you for waiting, nor would he have disgraced you. But I accompanied Allah's Apostle in many battles and it was his custom that if he did not fight early by daytime, he would wait till the wind had started blowing and the time for the prayer was due (i.e. after midday)." 53.392: While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews." We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle." 59.572: "O you who believe! Take not my enemies And your enemies as friends offering them (Your) love even though they have disbelieved in that Truth (i.e. Allah, Prophet Muhammad and this Quran) which has come to you ....(to the end of Verse)....(And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray (away) from the Straight Path." 59.643: Jarir said "Allah's Apostle said to me, "Won't you relieve me from Dhul-Khalasa?" I replied, "Yes, (I will relieve you)." So I proceeded along with one-hundred and fifty cavalry from Ahmas tribe who were skillful in riding horses. I used not to sit firm over horses, so I informed the Prophet of that, and he stroke my chest with his hand till I saw the marks of his hand over my chest and he said, O Allah! Make him firm and one who guides others and is guided (on the right path).' Since then I have never fallen from a horse. Dhul-l--Khulasa was a house in Yemen belonging to the tribe of Khatham and Bajaila, and in it there were idols which were worshipped, and it was called Al-Ka'ba." Jarir went there, burnt it with fire and dismantled it. When Jarir reached Yemen, there was a man who used to foretell and give good omens by casting arrows of divination. Someone said to him. "The messenger of Allah's Apostle is present here and if he should get hold of you, he would chop off your neck." One day while he was using them (i.e. arrows of divination), Jarir stopped there and said to him, "Break them (i.e. the arrows) and testify that None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck." So the man broke those arrows and testified that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah. Then Jarir sent a man called Abu Artata from the tribe of Ahmas to the Prophet to convey the good news (of destroying Dhu-l-Khalasa). So when the messenger reached the Prophet, he said, "O Allah's Apostle! By Him Who sent you with the Truth, I did not leave it till it was like a scabby camel." Then the Prophet blessed the horses of Ahmas and their men five times. 60.40: During the affliction of Ibn Az-Zubair, two men came to Ibn 'Umar and said, "The people are lost, and you are the son of 'Umar, and the companion of the Prophet, so what forbids you from coming out?" He said, "What forbids me is that Allah has prohibited the shedding of my brother's blood." They both said, "Didn't Allah say, 'And fight then until there is no more affliction?" He said "We fought until there was no more affliction and the worship is for Allah (Alone while you want to fight until there is affliction and until the worship become for other than Allah." 62.81: The Prophet said: "The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract)." 72.715: Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa'a." Allah's Apostle said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa'a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with 'Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that 'AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow" 72.774: The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, "Turn them out of your houses ." The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such woman. 80.753: Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said, "The freed slave belongs to the people who have freed him," or said something similar. 83.37: [excerpt from extremely lengthy tale] "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate." 84.58: Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash'ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, 'O Abu Musa (O 'Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'" 84.64: Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection. 88.219: During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler." Hadith Sahih Muslim: 1.33: the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah 1.149: Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause... 4.2127: Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you. 16.4131: Anas reported: Eight men of the tribe of 'Ukl came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and swore allegiance to him on Islam, but found the climate of that land uncogenial to their health and thus they became sick, and they made complaint of that to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: Why don't you go to (the fold) of our camels along with our shepherd, and make use of their milk and urine. They said: Yes. They set out and drank their (camels') milk and urine and regained their health. They killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. This (news) reached Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and he sent them on their track and they were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died. 17.4196: Abu Huraira reported that a person from amongst the Muslims came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) while he was in the mosque. He called him saying: Allah's Messenger. I have committed adultery. He (the Holy Prophet) turned away from him, He (again) came round facing him and said to him: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery. He (the Holy Prophet) turned away until he did that four times, and as he testified four times against his own self, Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called him and said: Are you mad? He said: No. He (again) said: Are you married? He said: Yes. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Take him and stone him. Ibn Shihab (one of the narrators) said: One who had heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah saying this informed me thus: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the place of prayer (either that of 'Id or a funeral). When the stones hurt him, he ran away. We caught him in the Harra and stoned him (to death). This hadith has been narrated through another chain of transmitters. 17.4206: 'Abdullah b. Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Ma'iz b. Malik al-Aslami came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger, I have wronged myself; I have committed adultery and I earnestly desire that you should purify me. He turned him away. On the following day, he (Ma'iz) again came to him and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) turned him away for the second time, and sent him to his people saying: Do you know if there is anything wrong with his mind. They denied of any such thing in him and said: We do not know him but as a wise good man among us, so far as we can judge. He (Ma'iz) came for the third time, and he (the Holy Prophet) sent him as he had done before. He asked about him and they informed him that there was nothing wrong with him or with his mind. When it was the fourth time, a ditch was dug for him and he (the Holy Prophet) pronounced judg- ment about him and he wis stoned. He (the narrator) said: There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Ghamid and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: Allah's Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said: Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said: Go away and suckle him until you wean him. When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said: Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid's) curse that he had huried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Khalid, be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried. 17.4209: Abu Huraira and Zaid b Khalid al-Juhani reported that one of the desert tribes came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, I beg of you in the name of Allah that you pronounce judgment about me according to the Book of Allah. The second claimant who was wiser than him said: Well, decide amongst us according to the Book of Allah, but permit me (to say something). Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon ham) said: Say. He said: My son was a servant in the house of this person and he committed adultery with his wife. I was informed that my son deserved stoning to death (as punishment for this offence). I gave one hundred goats and a slave girl as ransom for this. I asked the scholars (if this could serve as an expiation for this offence). They informed me that my son deserved one hundred lathes and exile for one year. and this woman deserved stoning (as she was married). Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace he upon him) said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life. I will decide between you according to the Book of Allah. The slave-girl and the goats should be given back, and your son is to be punished with one hundred lashes and exile for one year. And, O Unais (b. Zuhaq al-Aslami), go to this woman in the morning, and if she makes a confession, then stone her. He (the narrator) said: He went to her in the morning and she made a confession. And Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) made pronouncement about her and she was stoned to death. 19.4294: It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraid through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of Muhairs and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajirs. If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muilims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai' except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. When you lay siege to a fort and the besieged appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not accord to them the guarantee of Allah and His Prophet, but accord to them your own guarantee and the guarantee of your companions for it is a lesser sin that the security given by you or your companions be disregarded than that the security granted in the name of Allah and His Prophet be violated When you besiege a fort and the besieged want you to let them out in accordance with Allah's Command, do not let them come out in accordance with His Command, but do so at your (own) command, for you do not know whether or not you will be able to carry out Allah's behest with regard to them. 20.4635: Nobody who enters Paradise will (ever like to) return to this world even if he were offered everything on the surface of the earth (as an inducement) except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed ten times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him. 20.4645: ...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah! 20.4678: It has been reported on the authority of Jabir that a man said: Messenger of Allah, where shall I be if I am killed? He replied: In Paradise. The man threw away the dates he had in his hand and fought until he was killed (i. e. he did not wait until he could finish the dates). 20.4681: Surely, the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords. 20.4696: the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihid died the death of a hypocrite.' Sunan Abu Dawud: 2.704: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw. 14.2526: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist) 14.2527: The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious 41.4832: It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, “Do not keep company with anyone but a believer and do not let anyone eat your food but one who is pious.” 2141: Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said : Many women have gone round Muhammad’s family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you." 2142: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife. 2150: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Qur'an 4:24) 'And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.' 4462: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, "Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.". Sirah Rasul Allah: 262: Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse 327: Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’ 593: As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another. 734: Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." 959: Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.” So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. 969: Men were to lay injunctions on women lightly, for they were prisoners of men and had no control over their persons. 992: Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah. [editline]11:23PM[/editline] As we can see from the above passages, Muhammad himself told Muslims to hit their wives, Muhammad himself ordered people to be killed, Muhammad himself engaged in slave trading. Muhammad is the perfect man, or Al-Insan al-Kamil. He is [B]the[/B] moral compass in Islam. If Muhammad did it or said it was ok, then it's Halal. If Muhammad forbade it, it's Haram (the only real debate within Islam is over things that Muhammad didn't touch on, things he neither forbade or allowed. The debate within Islam is usually confined to determining whether such things are "Mushbooh", or suspicious). It is the duty of every Muslim man to emulate Muhammad to the best of his ability. Most Muslims don't do this, but that is only evidence that our inner humanity can pierce even the blackest of shrouds. So long as Islam exists, it gives [I] carte blanche [/I] to anyone who wants to engage in wanton slaughter, subjugation and enslavement of the "other", the only condition being that that "other" consists of Kufr. Now, I'm not saying we should or even could ban Islam. What I am doing, is saying that Islam is a problem in a way that other religions just aren't, especially in this day and age. There is indeed a global Jihad. It is not a grand conspiracy (although there are small conspiracies within it, such as the infiltration of American civil discourse by the Muslim Brotherhood and it's front groups), but simply devout Muslims around the world working to make Allahs religion superior over all others. The global Jihad is simply the sum of all local Jihads (including, but not limited, to Kashmir, south Thailand, Mindanao, the Caucasus, Pakistan, Somalia, Nigeria, etc). [editline]12:22AM[/editline] Please also pay close attention to Qur'an 65:4, which is one of the verses that legitimizes sex with prepubescant children, which is why we see things like this happening: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/04/10/world/AP-ML-Yemen-Child-Bride.html?_r=3&ref=global-home[/url] [url]http://abcnews.go.com/Health/International/yemeni-bride-11-hospitalized-genital-injuries/story?id=10362500[/url] [url]http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/03/11/13201531.html[/url] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/17/saudi.child.marriage/index.html[/url] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/04/12/saudi.child.marriage/[/url] [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4499028.stm[/url] [url]http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/Asia-Pacific/May-June-08/In-Pakistan--Child-Brides-Delivered-as-Peace-Offering.html[/url] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/magazine/09BRI.html[/url] [url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5541006[/url] and this is the tip of the iceberg. Now, normally I could care less what people of other cultures do. I feel for any little girls who may be suffering horribly under this lifestyle, but it is not my place to intervene. It's the fact that Islam demands it's followers to export this kind of thing the world over that makes it a huge problem.
ITT: Islamophobia due to one group of individuals. CriticalThought, you sound like some right wing Christian conservative who thinks all Muslims are bad.
All these claims Islam is going to take over Britain and make it into a Islamic hellhole state seems unfounded. Small groups of crazy people saying shit for attention should be at best be ignored. Also I don't get it it means to be a classical British citizen. Say what you want, as long as it has western basis in it? I'm pretty sure there are hardcore christian enthusiasts that demand the bible and other Christianity teachings to be mandatory in Britain, and they don't seem to have as much criticism.
[QUOTE=Aegis°;21441203]All these claims Islam is going to take over Britain and make it into a Islamic hellhole state seems unfounded. Small groups of crazy people saying shit for attention should be at best be ignored. Also I don't get it it means to be a classical British citizen. Say what you want, as long as it has western basis in it? I'm pretty sure there are hardcore christian enthusiasts that demand the bible and other Christianity teachings to be mandatory in Britain, and they don't seem to have as much criticism.[/QUOTE] As the numerous passages I cite demonstrate, Islam makes it incumbant upon it's followers to subjugate the infidel world. While only a small percentage of Muslims may actively follow this route, there are 1.5 billion Muslims, so even 1-2% (and I believe the number is much higher, most scholars put it at 10-15%) willing to engage in violence is enough. Most revolutions in history have been perpetrated by a small group of determined and ambitious individuals. The American Revolution only had the support of about 3% of the colonists. Let me also add that while not all Muslims will actively engage in the subjugation of the infidel, that doesn't mean that many don't tacitly support the islamization of society. Why wouldn't they root for their team? [editline]05:28AM[/editline] Also, I have not once seen Critical Thought claim that "all" Muslims are doing anything. I don't know why so many here insist upon putting words in his mouth.
I'm pretty much againts Islam aswell, not muslims.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21440974]ITT: Islamophobia due to one group of individuals. CriticalThought, you sound like some right wing Christian conservative who thinks all Muslims are bad.[/QUOTE] You sound like a fat 14 year old Burundian garbage picker. I am probably as accurate about you as you are about Critical Thought.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;21427935]So you refuse to watch the videos and then post some garbage about an infamous and well-known group of christians. The muslims protesting in these videos are not a well-known group of crazies, they of most likely residents of the towns shown in the videos, not one group consistently going around shitting on everyone's time. You can be an apologist all you want, the footage itself is still interesting.[/QUOTE] I'm glad atleast one here on Facepunch isn't sleeping. [editline]a[/editline] Also, people that are saying "islamophobia" and such should look up Qouran qoutes on the internet. Videos that media almost doesn't show us [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whWgCOE56K8[/media] This happens daily againts polices [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IasJKOZqkZM[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysDrfrtZDVs[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhmXRem4OHs[/media] Isn't Sweden just wonderful? :). Also if a black person commits a crime he can get his picture pixilated and the journalists makes the pixels white to make him look like a Swede. The left-wing parties hides the truth to the people.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21441355]You sound like a fat 14 year old Burundian garbage picker. I am probably as accurate about you as you are about Critical Thought.[/QUOTE] Yeah, no. Have you ever seen his posts? At least I'm basing it off his idiotic posts. [editline]02:01AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Chekko;21441363]Also, people that are saying "islamophobia" and such should look up Qouran qoutes on the internet.[/QUOTE] The Bible is the exact same.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21441697]Yeah, no. Have you ever seen his posts? At least I'm basing it off his idiotic posts.[/QUOTE] I know him in real life. He's far from Christian and far from intolerant towards anyone. Hell, he's probably more tolerant than me. I'm not too fond of the French. ;) [QUOTE=JDK721;21441697] The Bible is the exact same.[/QUOTE] No, it's not. Find me a single passage in the bible where God unequivocally commands the Jews or Christians to wage war against heathens until religion in the world is only for Him. You will not find one. There is no passage in the bible that exhorts it's followers to eternal warfare. That's the difference. Yes, the bible contains intolerance, savagery and evil. That doesn't mean it says all the exact same things as the Qur'an And don't dredge up the clearly canonical instances of God commanding the Hebrews to go after the Philistines, Jebuzites, Moabites, etc. Yes, the Hebrews thought they were commanded by God to take a specific plot of land by clearing away it's inhabitants. Yes, they succeeded in doing this, and yes this continues to have ramifications to this day. But it isn't globalist (unless you buy into the "protocols" and Henry Ford-type ramblings, but you seem more of the internationalist kind of socialist rather than the nationalist kind, so I doubt it). Christianity even less so. [editline]06:11AM[/editline] You also need to keep in mind the utmost importance given to the words and deeds of Muhammad. Did Jesus lead unprovoked raids on caravans solely on the basis that God told him he could attack it for booty? Did Jesus personally command the beheading of hundreds of surrendered Jews, including young boys? (it is recorded that Muhammad had each male inhabitant of the Banu Qurayza tribe checked for pubic hair. If they had even one, they were beheaded. The remaining boys, girls and women were taken by the Muslims as booty) Did Jesus personally lead over 60 violent expeditions in his life, taking 1/5th of the captured booty for himself on the basis that he was God's chosen and only begotten son? Did Jesus personally engage in slave trade? Did Jesus tell women who fled from abusive husbands that they wouldn't get beaten so much if they just did as told? You're ignorant and baseless equivocating only demonstrates your complete lack of ability to speak of comparative religions in any authoritative fashion.
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21441756]I know him in real life. He's far from Christian and far from intolerant towards anyone. Hell, he's probably more tolerant than me. I'm not too fond of the French. ;) No, it's not. Find me a single passage in the bible where God unequivocally commands the Jews or Christians to wage war against heathens until religion in the world is only for Him. You will not find one. There is no passage in the bible that exhorts it's followers to eternal warfare. That's the difference. Yes, the bible contains intolerance, savagery and evil. That doesn't mean it says all the exact same things as the Qur'an And don't dredge up the clearly canonical instances of God commanding the Hebrews to go after the Philistines, Jebuzites, Moabites, etc. Yes, the Hebrews thought they were commanded by God to take a specific plot of land by clearing away it's inhabitants. Yes, they succeeded in doing this, and yes this continues to have ramifications to this day. But it isn't globalist. Christianity even less so. [editline]06:11AM[/editline] You also need to keep in mind the utmost importance given to the words and deeds of Muhammad. Did Jesus lead unprovoked raids on caravans solely on the basis that God told him he could attack it for booty? Did Jesus personally command the beheading of hundreds of surrendered Jews, including young boys? (it is recorded that Muhammad had each male inhabitant of the Banu Qurayza tribe checked for pubic hair. If they had even one, they were beheaded. The remaining boys, girls and women were taken by the Muslims as booty) Did Jesus personally lead over 60 violent expeditions in his life, taking 1/5th of the captured booty for himself on the basis that he was God's chosen and only begotten son? Did Jesus personally engage in slave trade? Did Jesus tell women who fled from abusive husbands that they wouldn't get beaten so much if they just did as told? You're ignorant and baseless equivocating only demonstrates your complete lack of ability to speak of comparative religions in any authoritative fashion.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=heatsketch;21441756]I know him in real life. He's far from Christian and far from intolerant towards anyone. Hell, he's probably more tolerant than me. I'm not too fond of the French. ;) No, it's not. Find me a single passage in the bible where God unequivocally commands the Jews or Christians to wage war against heathens until religion in the world is only for Him. You will not find one. There is no passage in the bible that exhorts it's followers to eternal warfare. That's the difference. Yes, the bible contains intolerance, savagery and evil. That doesn't mean it says all the exact same things as the Qur'an And don't dredge up the clearly canonical instances of God commanding the Hebrews to go after the Philistines, Jebuzites, Moabites, etc. Yes, the Hebrews thought they were commanded by God to take a specific plot of land by clearing away it's inhabitants. Yes, they succeeded in doing this, and yes this continues to have ramifications to this day. But it isn't globalist. Christianity even less so. [editline]06:11AM[/editline] You also need to keep in mind the utmost importance given to the words and deeds of Muhammad. Did Jesus lead unprovoked raids on caravans solely on the basis that God told him he could attack it for booty? Did Jesus personally command the beheading of hundreds of surrendered Jews, including young boys? (it is recorded that Muhammad had each male inhabitant of the Banu Qurayza tribe checked for pubic hair. If they had even one, they were beheaded. The remaining boys, girls and women were taken by the Muslims as booty) Did Jesus personally lead over 60 violent expeditions in his life, taking 1/5th of the captured booty for himself on the basis that he was God's chosen and only begotten son? Did Jesus personally engage in slave trade? Did Jesus tell women who fled from abusive husbands that they wouldn't get beaten so much if they just did as told? You're ignorant and baseless equivocating only demonstrates your complete lack of ability to speak of comparative religions in any authoritative fashion.[/QUOTE] Don't bother debating with him, he's a communist and will soon cry or force you to believe him.
I tell you one thing, If I was given the choice to either become muslim, or leave the country, being American, I would shoot whoever gave me those two choices in the face And it's probably legal, if it were the government telling me anyway Not like it matters. I'm on the verge of moving into another country and saying fuck this crazy ass place. I think there's something in the water in America
lol, the amount of racism in this thread is disgusting. You people seem to think a small fringe of weirdo's is enough to "take over your homeland" which coming from a British person is hilariously ironic. And congrats to Criticalthought on another fantastic thread, giving way to the examination of the racist and idiotic human. I mean, being a part of a neo-nazi party, that's the qualifications. [QUOTE=Dominic0904;21421552]Let them TRY to take over my homeland[/QUOTE] What are you going to do about it? cry on the internet. [editline]04:57PM[/editline] [QUOTE=SuPeR_MaN;21423591]Fuck them. I live in the British countryside where everybody has a shotgun and a land rover. Our Royal family will sit and drink tea to the day they die and won't be leaving the country for any retarded religion.[/QUOTE] lol, the queen is a glorified religious symbol. The irony in this is hilarious. [editline]05:00PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Thomo;21423742]It annoys me that a riot officer gets in trouble for hitting back at islamic rioters.[/QUOTE] officers are not supposed to attack people just because they're extremist. [editline]05:13PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21427935]So you refuse to watch the videos and then post some garbage about an infamous and well-known group of christians. The muslims protesting in these videos are not a well-known group of crazies, they of most likely residents of the towns shown in the videos, not one group consistently going around shitting on everyone's time. You can be an apologist all you want, the footage itself is still interesting.[/QUOTE] Islam4UK is a well known group, if you've ever been to the UK and dealt politically, you would have heard of them. [editline]05:22PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21428990]No that was the group being interviewed at the start of the first video, maybe you would realize this if you had watched the entire thing.[/quote] they all are part of Islam4UK [quote]Not sure you have that entirely right[/QUOTE] uh, that's the reason the EDP exists lol [editline]05:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=kevlar jens;21430306]I really dislike the religion of Islam. They want everything their way, as seen here, turning Britain into a Islamic nation. However, show your belief for another religion than Islam in the middle-east and you will be stoned/beheaded. I'm not saying all Muslims are like this, but it certainly feels like the majority is like it, and that's enough for me to hate Islam with all my heart.[/QUOTE] The minority get the attention [editline]05:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21430688]Whether engaging in violent acts or not all muslims contribute to Islamization of western societies as that is what the end goal of all sects of their religion is, global domination by Islam. In the same way that christians would have financially supported the crusades through their monetary support of the organizations involved with it (keep in mind the crusades were in retaliation to centuries of jihadist muslim aggression) muslims support the jihadists through their monetary support for the organizations backing them.[/QUOTE] look at me, im criticalthought i'm a paranoid conspiracy theorist, neo-nazi [editline]05:26PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CriticalThought;21431304] We're all wondering the same for you[/QUOTE] whoa, who's we? There's exactly TWO paranoid fuckers in this thread, one of which is you. [editline]05:28PM[/editline] [QUOTE=13illay;21431973]I feel like it would be fantastic for someone to go to a roof of a building near one of those "marches" set up tons of sound equipment, and play a recording of someone screaming "THIS IS THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD SPEAKING. I AM A GIGANTIC FAGGOT, PLEASE RAPE MY FACE." on repeat and lock the doors that lead to the roof. Seriously, religious fanatics must be the most troll-able people in the world.[/QUOTE] Are you like 10? [editline]05:33PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Hiccuper;21435200]Ireland gets it's fair share of immigrants, and I don't mind them, but what pisses me off is immigrants who come to Ireland, don't bother learning English, don't bother trying to integrate into the community. I mean, I've got a couple of immigrant friends in school and they're pretty cool, but in my friend's school there's a load of middle eastern migrants who just hang around with themselves and barely talk to anyone else. They also get off class by saying they have to go "pray", my friend went toilet, found a load of them in there and just said "get the fuck out"[/QUOTE] Do you know Gaelic?
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21446933] Do you know Gaelic?[/QUOTE] ... Don't start this...
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21435210]lol I never suggested you suggested that. I agree with you that nationality isn't only defined by skin colour or ethnicity, and I don't think that Critical Thought suggested that Britain was only for white people. Nationality is determined by a number of factors, [I]including[/I] the mindset of the person involved. If someone was born in Britain, raised in Britain, and hell, even has white skin, but converts to Islam and declares their allegiance solely to the Ummah, then that person has defined him or herself as not British. COPY PASTE SHIT[/QUOTE] yes, you can take Surah quotes out of context, I'm sure you're proud [editline]05:35PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Hiccuper;21447526]... Don't start this...[/QUOTE] Oh I'm starting, mate, do you fucking know Gaelic? [editline]05:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=heatsketch;21435210] There is indeed a global Jihad. [/QUOTE] No there isn't.
Brits have rights to have their own country. My country is getting islamic, streets changing names and our women gets raped. The media here doesn't show us shit. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism" - TH89))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21447528] Oh I'm starting, mate, do you fucking know Gaelic? [/QUOTE] Yes, I know [b]Irish[/b]
[QUOTE=heatsketch;21441756]I know him in real life. He's far from Christian and far from intolerant towards anyone. Hell, he's probably more tolerant than me. I'm not too fond of the French. ;) No, it's not. Find me a single passage in the bible where God unequivocally commands the Jews or Christians to wage war against heathens until religion in the world is only for Him. You will not find one. There is no passage in the bible that exhorts it's followers to eternal warfare. That's the difference. Yes, the bible contains intolerance, savagery and evil. That doesn't mean it says all the exact same things as the Qur'an And don't dredge up the clearly canonical instances of God commanding the Hebrews to go after the Philistines, Jebuzites, Moabites, etc. Yes, the Hebrews thought they were commanded by God to take a specific plot of land by clearing away it's inhabitants. Yes, they succeeded in doing this, and yes this continues to have ramifications to this day. But it isn't globalist (unless you buy into the "protocols" and Henry Ford-type ramblings, but you seem more of the internationalist kind of socialist rather than the nationalist kind, so I doubt it). Christianity even less so. [editline]06:11AM[/editline] You also need to keep in mind the utmost importance given to the words and deeds of Muhammad. Did Jesus lead unprovoked raids on caravans solely on the basis that God told him he could attack it for booty? Did Jesus personally command the beheading of hundreds of surrendered Jews, including young boys? (it is recorded that Muhammad had each male inhabitant of the Banu Qurayza tribe checked for pubic hair. If they had even one, they were beheaded. The remaining boys, girls and women were taken by the Muslims as booty) Did Jesus personally lead over 60 violent expeditions in his life, taking 1/5th of the captured booty for himself on the basis that he was God's chosen and only begotten son? Did Jesus personally engage in slave trade? Did Jesus tell women who fled from abusive husbands that they wouldn't get beaten so much if they just did as told? You're ignorant and baseless equivocating only demonstrates your complete lack of ability to speak of comparative religions in any authoritative fashion.[/QUOTE] [B]Deuteronomy 17[/B] If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. Bloop [editline]05:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Chekko;21447568]Brits have rights to have their own country[/QUOTE] uh, what? [editline]05:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Hiccuper;21447580]Yes, I know [B]Irish[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Irish is the main community and household language of 3% of the Republic's population[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language#cite_note-1"][2][/URL] (which was estimated at 4,422,100 in 2008).[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language#cite_note-2"][3][/URL] Estimates of fully native speakers range from 40,000 up to 80,000 people.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language#cite_note-3"][4][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language#cite_note-4"][5][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language#cite_note-5"][6][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language#cite_note-6"][7][/URL] Areas in which the language remains a vernacular are referred to as [I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaeltacht"]Gaeltacht[/URL][/I] areas. [/QUOTE] we got a problem, Hiccuper. [editline]05:40PM[/editline] keep in mind heatsketch the bible is filled with NUMEROUS disgusting passages. [editline]05:41PM[/editline] IE killing gay people.
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