[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPZxsuRlvh4[/media]
Perfect christian Behavior.
Oh it's ever so hard having shares in developed countries, being the largest most respected religion in the world, I truly fell sad for all of you, being persecuted everyday while us Muslims live in luxury in fully Developed homes with no poverty in our countries, and surely our brothers in Iraq shot themselves for fun, while you Christians were in invaded by fully advantaged Arabian troupes, you surely have it hard, while us Muslims wallow in your misery.
[QUOTE=MingusMajor;21448254]It's still an irrelevant conclusion, his argument about Christianity is probably valid, but does not address the issue in question which is that Islam is pretty much an 8th century ultra-violent version of Scientology.[/QUOTE]
no... it's not
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[QUOTE=JustExtreme;21448281]Strange strange animals[/QUOTE]
You mean the humans?
[QUOTE=mchapra;21448534][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPZxsuRlvh4[/media]
Perfect christian Behavior.
Oh it's ever so hard having shares in developed countries, being the largest most respected religion in the world, I truly fell sad for all of you, being persecuted everyday while us Muslims live in luxury in fully Developed homes with no poverty in our countries, and surely our brothers in Iraq shot themselves for fun, while you Christians were in invaded by fully advantaged Arabian troupes, you surely have it hard, while us Muslims wallow in your misery.[/QUOTE]
Yea some christians = all :smug:
[QUOTE=mchapra;21448534][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPZxsuRlvh4[/media]
Perfect christian Behavior.
Oh it's ever so hard having shares in developed countries, being the largest most respected religion in the world, I truly fell sad for all of you, being persecuted everyday while us Muslims live in luxury in fully Developed homes with no poverty in our countries, and surely our brothers in Iraq shot themselves for fun, while you Christians were in invaded by fully advantaged Arabian troupes, you surely have it hard, while us Muslims wallow in your misery.[/QUOTE]
Too bad that the Quran promotes child rape.
[QUOTE=Chekko;21448378]If you describe communism with one single sentence, it will sound like a peaceful ideology, yes.
Through history, Communism is pretty much like Nazism. They've been killing loads of civilians, Communists have killed the most civilians.
Communists today thinks its okay to bring violence to get their will. See Sweden today.
[URL="http://www.facepunch.com/#"]View YouTUBE video[/URL]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/v/O0hoCo-ck2Q&hl=en&rel=0&autoplay=1&fs=1&hd=1"][/URL]
[URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=O0hoCo-ck2Q[/URL]
Communism is the brother to socialism, but is the more extreme version.[/QUOTE]
You have no clue what communism is. communism has never been implemented lol
so? Sweden has radicals like everyone else.
[QUOTE=Zee!;21448588]Too bad that the Quran promotes child rape.[/QUOTE]
Too bad you have no clue what you are talking about.
[QUOTE=Zee!;21448588]Too bad that the Quran promotes child rape.[/QUOTE]
no it doesn't?
[QUOTE=mchapra;21448608]Too bad you you have no clue what you are talking about.[/QUOTE]
And you're the one to talk?.
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[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21448611]no it doesn't?[/QUOTE]
Actually yes.
[QUOTE=Zee!;21448588]Too bad that the Quran promotes child rape.[/QUOTE]
Show me where it does.
I just showed you were the bible promotes it.
[QUOTE=starpluck;21448629]Show me where it does.
I just showed you were the bible promotes it.[/QUOTE]
I never protected the bible.
[QUOTE=starpluck;21448629]Show me where it does.
I just showed you were the bible promotes it.[/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=Chekko;21448621]And you're the one to talk?.
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Actually yes.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Eve]Gospel of Eve.[/url]
i feel bad for the old couple at 1.35, its just wrong.
if you're muslim or of any other group and live in Britain or any other country then you live by the ways of that country.
as the saying goes ''[I]when in Rome do as the Romans do[/I]''
[QUOTE=Zee!;21448662]I never protected the bible.[/QUOTE]
Nice to know.
Now back up your claim of child rape.
[QUOTE=Chekko;21448587]Yea some christians = all :smug:[/QUOTE]
:irony:
[QUOTE=N0 WAR;21419524]I feel sorry for the British.[/QUOTE]
I don't. They let it happen.
[QUOTE=starpluck;21448708]Nice to know.
Now back up your claim of child rape.[/QUOTE]
I don't have to back up anything when 80 year-old men marry 11 year-olds on daily basis in islamic countries without consequence.
[QUOTE=Zee!;21448745]I don't have to back up anything when 80 year-old men marry 11 year-olds on daily basis in islamic countries without consequence.[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha, You seriously have no clue on what you're talking about, nor any proof.
[QUOTE=Zee!;21448745]I don't have to back up anything when 80 year-old men marry 11 year-olds on daily basis in islamic countries without consequence.[/QUOTE]
You cannot argue that a book promotes something by the assumed actions of those who read it. If you know that it does so, it should be simple to show where.
The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:
4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great
Islam is dangerous. I'm not good at debates but i don't think muslims wouldn't admit their religion were dangerous.
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[QUOTE=mchapra;21448786]Hahahaha, You seriously have no clue on what you're talking about, nor any proof.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/saudi-arabia-80-year-old-man-marries-11-year-old-girl.html[/url]
Now stop protecting wife-beating, child rape, violence and intolerance.
[QUOTE=Zee!;21448815][url]http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/saudi-arabia-80-year-old-man-marries-11-year-old-girl.html[/url]
Now stop protecting wife-beating, child rape, violence and intolerance.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2409926/father_kills_15_year_old_son_a_big.html[/url]
You mean this?
[QUOTE=mchapra;21448834][url]http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2409926/father_kills_15_year_old_son_a_big.html[/url]
You mean this?[/QUOTE]
That's right, completely disregard my post.
You mean this?
"The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)." -- Bukhari 7.62.88
[QUOTE=Tyler_Durden;21448738]I don't. They let it happen.[/QUOTE]
We didn't let it happen, Labour did. It was a cynical tactic to bring in a lot of mass immigration and to forcefully turn Britain into a large multicultural society, this was too destroy the right winged opposition.
[QUOTE=Chekko;21448621]And you're the one to talk?.
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Actually yes.[/QUOTE]
where?
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21448874]where?[/QUOTE]
"The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)." -- Bukhari 7.62.88
[QUOTE=Zee!;21448848]That's right, completely disregard my post.[/QUOTE]
How did I 'disregard' your post. I read that and I gave you a peek that Non-Muslims ain't perfect either.
[QUOTE=Zee!;21448885]"The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)." -- Bukhari 7.62.88[/QUOTE]
The Bukhari ain't the Quran.
[QUOTE=Not Tishler;21448874]where?[/QUOTE]
You should read other posts :).
[QUOTE=mchapra;21448889]How did I 'disregard' your post. I read that and I gave you a peek that Non-Muslims ain't perfect either.[/QUOTE]
Well then you would know that the Quran promotes childrape. Also, your "peek" has nothing to do with this argument. Just because a couple of nutcases acted that shit out doesn't mean that the Quran is allowed to promote childrape. What kind of backward logic is that?
[QUOTE=Zee!;21448885]"The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)." -- Bukhari 7.62.88[/QUOTE]
If you read into it, she was really into Mohammad. and she pushed herself on her.
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and you said in the quaran.
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[QUOTE=Zee!;21448815][URL]http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/saudi-arabia-80-year-old-man-marries-11-year-old-girl.html[/URL]
Now stop protecting wife-beating, child rape, violence and intolerance.[/QUOTE]
fantastic source
[QUOTE=Chekko;21448809]The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:
4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great
Islam is dangerous. I'm not good at debates but i don't think muslims would admit their religion were dangerous.[/QUOTE]
Here's the full and correct verse [quote]Men are the protectors and maintainers of women. because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) do not share their beds, (and last) beat (tap) them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all). (4:34)[/quote] Even here, that maximum measure is limited by the following:
a. It must be seen as[B] A RARE EXCEPTION TO THE REPEATED EXHORTATION OF MUTUAL RESPECT, KINDNESS AND GOOD TREATMENT[/B], discussed earlier. Based on the Qur'an and hadith this measure may be used in the cases of lewdness on the part of the wife or extreme refraction and rejection of the husband's reasonable requests on a consistent basis (nushuz). Even then, other measures, such as exhortation, should be tried first.
b. As defined by hadith, it is [B]NOT PERMISSIBLE TO STRIKE ANYONE'S FACE, CAUSE ANY BODILY HARM OR EVEN BE HARSH.[/B] What the hadith qualified as dharban ghayra mubarrih, or light striking, was interpreted by early jurists as a (symbolic) use of miswak (a small natural toothbrush)! They further qualified permissible "striking" as that which leaves no mark on the body. It is interesting that this latter fourteen-centuries-old qualifier is the criterion used in contemporary American law to separate a light and harmless tap or strike from "abuse" in the legal sense. This makes it clear that even this extreme, last resort, and "lesser of the two evils" measure that may save a marriage does not meet the definitions of "physical abuse," "family violence, " or "wife battering" in the 20th century law in liberal democracies, where such extremes are so commonplace that they are seen as national concerns.
c. The permissibility of such symbolic expression of the seriousness of continued refraction [B]DOES NOT IMPLY ITS DESIRABILITY[/B]. In several ahadith, Prophet Muhammad (P) discouraged this measure. Among his sayings are the following: "Do not beat the female servants of Allah;" "Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you;" and"[It is not a shame that] one of you beats his wife like [an unscrupulous person] beats a slave and maybe he sleeps with her at the end of the day." (See Riyadh Al-Saliheen, op.cit,p.p. 137-140). In another hadith the Prophet(P) said:
[quote] ...How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?... (Sahih Al-Bukhari,op.cit., vol.8.hadith 68,pp.42-43).
[/quote]
d. True following of the sunnah is to follow the example of the Prophet Muhammad (P), who [B]NEVER RESORTED TO THAT MEASURE, [/B]regardless of the circumstances.
e. Islamic teachings are universal in nature. They respond to the needs and circumstances of diverse times, cultures and circumstances. Some measures may work in some cases and cultures or with certain persons but may not be effective in others. by definition, a "permissible" act is neither required, encouraged or forbidden. In fact it may be [B]BETTER TO SPELL OUT THE EXTENT[/B] of permissibility, such as in the issue at hand, rather than leaving it unrestricted and unqualified, or ignoring it all together. In the absence of strict qualifiers, persons may interpret the matter in their own way, which can lead to excesses and real abuse.
f. Any excess, cruelty, family violence, or abuse committed by any "Muslim" can never be traced, honestly, to any revelatory text (Qur'an or hadith). Such [B]EXCESSES AND VIOLATIONS ARE TO BE BLAMED ON THE PERSON(S) HIMSELF[/B], as it shows that they are paying lip service to Islamic teachings and injunctions and failing to follow the true Sunnah of the Prophet (P).
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[QUOTE=Zee!;21448885]"The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)." -- Bukhari 7.62.88[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zee!;21448900]Well then you would know that the Quran promotes childrape.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zee!;21448848]That's right, completely disregard my post.
You mean this?
"The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)." -- Bukhari 7.62.88[/QUOTE]
Don't get overly excited, I am currently replying.
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