Why are we talking about porn tags when the subject is about Youtube's secret excluded_ads codes
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;52940907]"Sounds boring?" I'm sorry, but that's what they're called? It's not supposed to sound "entertaining," it's supposed to be what they are. "Nah, that's boring, I'mma keep calling them shemales" is basically a disregard for how they feel.[/QUOTE]
No it's not. Porn is entertainment industry, so of course it's supposed to sound entertaining. I don't really got your train of thought here.
I very vaguely think I know what you may be getting at, but keep in mind that personal feelings in petty cases like this one don't matter that much when it comes to actual paid jobs. I'm pretty sure that porn websites would agree to change the names in question if a the actors really insisted and it was something very important for them, but do you even know for sure if any of them actually, like, have a genuine problem with this term?
[QUOTE=WhyNott;52941251]I'm pretty sure that porn websites would agree to change the names in question if a the actors really insisted and it was something very important for them[/QUOTE]
Nah, I doubt it. The porn industry is rife with racism and all kinds of abuse, actors have spoken out about it several times throughout the history of Internet porn in particular and it's really not changed.
Banged a black dude for a shoot once? Most white dudes aren't going to touch you now. Done some homosexual stuff once or twice for a shoot (despite it not being your mainstay of fuckin)? Automatically off limits to a large number of other actors because "ewww the gay".
The term isn't used because "it's entertaining" (I'd love to know how anyone could consider it entertaining tbh), but because the industry is just inherently demeaning like that. It's a derogatory term. PornHub [I]could[/I] be a driving force in changing the term, but they have no reason to and so wont. Just because someone is being paid doesn't mean they have to put up with shitty terminology or demeaning work (that they haven't opted in to at least!). "Actual paid jobs" should still respect the employee after all.
This mostly applies to the professional scene of course, the amateur scene is too free form to really have institutional issues like that. Pornhub are not paragons of the Internet, they just happen to have a reason to support many of the things that regular users of the Internet do (hint: it's profits) and have a very solid PR team.
[editline]2nd December 2017[/editline]
And I honestly can't see them running as a competitor to Youtube because even if they formed a new company to try and have a shot at a general interest site, they'd be bogged down by the fact that it's still PornHub, and advertisers are not going to touch that with a 10 foot pole.
There's a reason porn sites have really fucking janky ads, and you can't just brush that one off. A site the scale of Youtube needs solid, decently paying advertisers.
When you put it like that, maybe I can see the point.
I think the thing is I don't really see the term "shemale" being derogatory at all, but I'm not really into that kind of stuff myself so I don't know.
[editline]2nd December 2017[/editline]
As a non-native english speaker, I remember the word "tranny" sounded really nice to me at first (kinda like "nanny" I guess) and I was pretty bummed out when I learnt that it was a horrible insult. Luckily for me, I didn't actually use it in the meantime.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;52941084]Why are we talking about porn tags when the subject is about Youtube's secret excluded_ads codes[/QUOTE]
People have said PornHub should start up competition, and I started saying how I'd rather not have a company that uses those tags be the new "big" video site.
[editline]2nd December 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=WhyNott;52941642]When you put it like that, maybe I can see the point.
I think the thing is I don't really see the term "shemale" being derogatory at all, but I'm not really into that kind of stuff myself so I don't know.[/QUOTE]
The Wikipedia article for the term put it fairly well.
[QUOTE]Many transgender people regard the term shemale as offensive, arguing that it mocks or shows a lack of respect towards transgender individuals; in this view, the term emphasizes the natal sex of a person and neglects their gender identity.[/QUOTE]
"Shemale" is referring to the physical aspect, calling them "transgender" refers to their gender and is irrelevant to the category. Plus you're assuming what they identify as.
[QUOTE=MajorWX;52932599]This seems legally sketchy, as in secretly giving separate treatment to someone based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, or political alignment is potentially grounds for a lawsuit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=gudman;52932676]Yeah, the "sensitive social subjects" alone can be whatever the fuck. Depending on what actually is analyzed by Youtube's automatic algorithms, and how autonomous they really are, it can really go way, way into the "don't go here" zone. I'm not going to be the least bit surprised if in the following months Google will get royally fucked over due to and by their own creation.[/QUOTE]
And this is why you should never, [I]ever[/I] use (opaque) machine learning on sensitive issues, not even extremely indirectly.
Computers are getting pretty good at copying statistical(!) human behaviour regarding these things, but that also means they'll copy (and in this case amplify) any and all biases they observe from their training data.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;52943109]And this is why you should never, [I]ever[/I] use (opaque) machine learning on sensitive issues, not even extremely indirectly.
Computers are getting pretty good at copying statistical(!) human behaviour regarding these things, but that also means they'll copy (and in this case amplify) any and all biases they observe from their training data.[/QUOTE]Isn't that why Microsoft (or some other big company's) Twitter based AI ended up tweeting racist and alt-right stuff before being shut down? Because of certain human-generated content it was "learning" from?
[QUOTE=TerrorShield;52944967]Isn't that why Microsoft (or some other big company's) Twitter based AI ended up tweeting racist and alt-right stuff before being shut down? Because of certain human-generated content it was "learning" from?[/QUOTE]
4chan was intentionally feeding Tay stuff, so it wasn't like it became alt-right in a vacuum, but yes you're correct.
[QUOTE=TerrorShield;52944967]Isn't that why Microsoft (or some other big company's) Twitter based AI ended up tweeting racist and alt-right stuff before being shut down? Because of certain human-generated content it was "learning" from?[/QUOTE]
Not really. They were exploiting a feature where they essentially said "repeat after me" and then what they wanted her to say
[QUOTE=Jojje;52945109]Not really. They were exploiting a feature where they essentially said "repeat after me" and then what they wanted her to say[/QUOTE]Not true either. They did that, but it did more than plenty on its own. The repeat stuff was actually readily identifiable.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;52943109]And this is why you should never, [I]ever[/I] use (opaque) machine learning on sensitive issues, not even extremely indirectly.
Computers are getting pretty good at copying statistical(!) human behaviour regarding these things, but that also means they'll copy (and in this case amplify) any and all biases they observe from their training data.[/QUOTE]
You can also make a pretty easy argument that using a constant-time NN (i.e a CNN) to approximate an algorithm with non-constant (or even worse, unbounded) running time will produce [i]worse[/i] results than picking an output randomly, for inputs far from what were in the training sets
[editline]4th December 2017[/editline]
That's not a characteristic you want near anything.
[QUOTE=thejjokerr;52947096]I keep opening this hoping there's some great ideas for yt, instead I find a bunch of people talking about my homepage and how it says Shemale instead of something they think is more appropriate.
Anyways what do you all think the suggestion algorithm on yt should work like? Most views + related or same category should show up? Should the algorithm try to learn anything at all? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.[/QUOTE]
I think it'd be nice to balance suggestions between popular content and also fresh uploads with relatively few views (perhaps the ones with the most comment activity or likes gets priority on this half) within the same category the viewer is watching. On top of the preferred category suggestions, maybe 1 or 2 popular content from another category will be mixed along with it. Balanced exposure for both well-established channels and up and coming rising ones I feel like it's a good way to go, giving creators more traffic and viewers more content and variety.
[QUOTE=NachoPiggy;52947856]I think it'd be nice to balance suggestions between popular content and also fresh uploads with relatively few views (perhaps the ones with the most comment activity or likes gets priority on this half) within the same category the viewer is watching. On top of the preferred category suggestions, maybe 1 or 2 popular content from another category will be mixed along with it. Balanced exposure for both well-established channels and up and coming rising ones I feel like it's a good way to go, giving creators more traffic and viewers more content and variety.[/QUOTE]
The unfortunate thing is that this probably won't increase consumption. Sure, it makes people make better (or at least slightly more informed) decisions overall regarding what they consume, and it increases content quality, but that seems to be inversely related to brand loyalty.
Then again, YouTube is maybe big enough (and especially hard-to-replicate enough) to do this anyway. It's somewhat 'working' for Twitter, at least.
That said, it'll probably be an enormous trashfire as long as they allow controversial videos to hide the like/dislike ratio.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52935220]All this shit just makes me never want to make videos, honestly.
Why spend any effort at all when it can just be pissed away because a robot saw a poopoo word[/QUOTE]
This is basically why I don't make videos anymore.
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