Donald Trump May Have Flushed the Economy Down the Toilet | Keith Olbermann - General

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51494141]...no? Fucking hell this is getting weird now. There's always at least one of these posts in these threads. [/quote] This rhetoric is crap, my augmentations refuse to analyze it. [quote]He isn't trying to sell you anything (well, other than getting GQ some subs).[/quote] Yeah I can accept Keith's job is keep supporting channel alive. Alex Jones does the same thing with the products he's selling, because for Alex's case its to support his show for being transmitted on the radio and to support the stream from his website. Again please read that Alex isn't doing what he does as a personal profit to himself, its really just to keep his show running. [quote]He is using things said and done by the man he is criticising.[/quote] So I assume by this you are meaning he's using factual statements against Trump because we all know Keith doesn't focus on anything other than Trump which is a fair thing to point out as a difference from his show to Alex's. [quote]He isn't repeating stupid conspiracy theories.[/quote] He repeats sensationalist statements instead. [Trump May Have Flushed the Economy Down the Toilet] [Trump is Steering Us Toward International Disaster] [“Government-Backed Attackers” May Have Hacked My Account] With those being the last 3 he's made, honestly all of those titles could be infowars titles, Alex Jones uploads videos every now and then like that last one to accuse a attack against his show, editors or himself. [quote] He's just very dramatic about it. I would be too tbh, Trump is likely one of the most dangerous presidents, and dangerous precedents the USA has seen for a good while now. Given who he is, how he behaves and the people he's picked to support him.[/quote] You should understand that this draws a connection to how Alex Jones more than it separates it. Alex Jones is perceived as [I]very[/I] dramatic over the topics he discusses on his show, his supporters like you suggested for Keith don't mind it at all because they share the same concerns that Alex does. [quote]Olbermann isn't lying.[/quote] To say Alex Jones is lying isn't correct either, he can be wrong but can you find any time he outright lies on his show? Again being WRONG doesn't equal LYING. He has 20 years of doing his show so I'm sure you have a lot to review If I can perceive Keith as wrong, just like you can for Alex Jones then isn't that supporting the idea that Keith is the Anti (left) Alex Jones?

[QUOTE=Sally;51494355]To say Alex Jones is lying isn't correct either, he can be wrong but can you find any time he outright lies on his show? Again being WRONG doesn't equal LYING. He has 20 years of doing his show so I'm sure you have a lot to review If I can perceive Keith as wrong, just like you can for Alex Jones then isn't that supporting the idea that Keith is the Anti (left) Alex Jones?[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgKvl5VQVkY[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYCvQ5iH67A[/media] You're right, they're exactly the same.

Didn't even post the best ones where Alex Jones claimed that sandy hook was a government false-flag attack used so they can take our guns away

This tendency towards false equivalencies is going to be the heat-death of our society. It's getting to a point where no one can make a substantial statement about any topic without inviting comparisons to Alex Jones or 1984 or Hitler, no matter how much evidence exists to support their claim.

[QUOTE=Paramud;51494828][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgKvl5VQVkY[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYCvQ5iH67A[/media] You're right, they're exactly the same.[/QUOTE] Alex jones purposely surfs the web for the stupidest articles he can find, and then blows them out of proportion. Never take him seriously.

[QUOTE=Zyler;51495012]This tendency towards false equivalencies is going to be the heat-death of our society. It's getting to a point where no one can make a substantial statement about any topic without inviting comparisons to Alex Jones or 1984 or Hitler, no matter how much evidence exists to support their claim.[/QUOTE] Congratulations you have made a statement and now its your job to make it apply to my post. I have my statements and unless you can actually tear them down, then you are posting shit. I wont stand for wallposters any more, address my argument directly or go back to the SHantytown.

[media]https://twitter.com/immolations/status/805239106322231296[/media]

This guy just gives me a mccarthyism-styled late 1950's vibe with his look and mannerisms.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51496030]This guy just gives me a mccarthyism-styled late 1950's vibe with his look and mannerisms.[/QUOTE] these comparisons are going to destroy our society, next your going to compare this guy to hitler or the 1984

[QUOTE=Sally;51496038]these comparisons are going to destroy our society, next your going to compare this guy to hitler or the 1984[/QUOTE] the next big candidate needs to be compared to manson.

[QUOTE=Sally;51496038]these comparisons are going to destroy our society, next your going to compare this guy to hitler or the 1984[/QUOTE] Well his ideas aren't like that. Just pointing out his voice, mannerisms, and heightened fear element gives off that kind of vibe. Besides I hate Hitler comparisons for the most part.

[QUOTE=OvB;51492567]I haven't watched any of these videos yet, but taking them at face value of the angry looking dude, and the titles of the videos, is Keith Olbermann a sort of liberal Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity?[/QUOTE] No. Holy fuck no. Keith Olbermann gets angry. That's it. He's not batshit insane angry, he's incredibly stern Dad angry who had a rough life growing up but he knows best. He's the type of Dad angry who catches his 16 year old son smoking cigarettes and gives him a stern lecture on the shit that cigarettes do to his body. It's the type of lecture where you won't talk for 3 days because of how stern it was, but that silence is broken when the son realises "fuck my dad really cares about me". Bill O'Reilly/Sean Hannity is the dad who drops in unexpectedly at your apartment when 25 and notices that you left a joint on the table, and yells at you for smoking the devil's leaf (even though where you live, it's perfectly legal), and also scream at you for being a lazy millennial who doesn't respect god enough. [editline]4[/editline] Just watch 1 video. Any video. 1 random video. You'll see what I mean.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51496194]No. Holy fuck no. Keith Olbermann gets angry. That's it. He's not batshit insane angry, he's incredibly stern Dad angry who had a rough life growing up but he knows best. He's the type of Dad angry who catches his 16 year old son smoking cigarettes and gives him a stern lecture on the shit that cigarettes do to his body. It's the type of lecture where you won't talk for 3 days because of how stern it was, but that silence is broken when the son realises "fuck my dad really cares about me". Bill O'Reilly/Sean Hannity is the dad who drops in unexpectedly at your apartment when 25 and notices that you left a joint on the table, and yells at you for smoking the devil's leaf (even though where you live, it's perfectly legal), and also scream at you for being a lazy millennial who doesn't respect god enough. [editline]4[/editline] Just watch 1 video. Any video. 1 random video. You'll see what I mean.[/QUOTE] Yeah, like when he said that China is going to commit genocide in Taiwan because Trump sent a text that mentions the president of Taiwan. You might think I'm exaggerating, but I'm not. Some other fun claims: - Germany is the only democracy stopping Russia's "passive world war" that they've been a part of for several years - Trump's election has caused Germany to replace the US as the leading democracy in the world - Duterte making claims about what Trump said to him is possibly Trump's biggest diplomatic mistake - Trump's election literally puts all our lives at risk ([URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfpkhXTdVwI&list=PL0hKMB1-xkc-XWNf9VL-LxVYysdHpjyMF&index=2[/URL]) [editline]7th December 2016[/editline] I take back what I said earlier. He's even worse than Hannity. He's more comparable to someone like Ann Coulter.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51496194] Keith Olbermann gets angry. That's it. He's not batshit insane angry, he's incredibly stern Dad angry who had a rough life growing up but he knows best. He's the type of Dad angry who catches his 16 year old son smoking cigarettes and gives him a stern lecture on the shit that cigarettes do to his body. It's the type of lecture where you won't talk for 3 days because of how stern it was, but that silence is broken when the son realises "fuck my dad really cares about me". [/QUOTE] Don't worry, Trump is Daddy to me, so I understand the analogy.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51496539]Yeah, like when he said that China is going to commit genocide in Taiwan because Trump sent a text that mentions the president of Taiwan. You might think I'm exaggerating, but I'm not.[/quote] Give me the full quote. A lot of your quotes are taking out of context or are misquoted, which is pretty disingenuous of you. [QUOTE=sgman91;51496539]Some other fun claims: - Germany is the only democracy stopping Russia's "passive world war" that they've been a part of for several years [/quote] Context: Wikileaks released documents about Angel Merkel before her election. Keep in mind about the suspicion that Wikileaks has connection to the Russian Government. Correction: Keith Olbermann says that after Trump's win, Germany is the only democracy in the world man enough to stand up to [B]passive-aggressive[/B] world war, and Keith Olbermann [B]said nothing about stopping it, only standing up to it.[/B] I think his claim has some substance since Trump is heavily pro putin and people are worried about how pro-putin he is. Many people don't believe that Trump has the balls to stop Putin if Putin does another Ukraine Crisis, or something worse. [QUOTE=sgman91;51496539]- Trump's election has caused Germany to replace the US as the leading democracy in the world[/quote] Context: Wikileaks released documents about Angel Merkel before her election. Keep in mind about the suspicion that Wikileaks has connection to the Russian Government. Depending on what he meant, he could be right or wrong. He's wrong because Germany has always been a better democracy than the United States, even during Obama. He's right in the context of standing up to Putin, see quote above. [QUOTE=sgman91;51496539]- Duterte making claims about what Trump said to him is possibly Trump's biggest diplomatic mistake[/quote] Context: Durete says that Trump congratulated him on his war on drugs. If what Duterte says is true, then yes it probably is. If Trump endorsed Duterte's anti-drug efforts, then Trump endorsed fascism and state sponsored murder. [QUOTE=sgman91;51496539]- Trump's election literally puts all our lives at risk[/quote] Context: If Trump continues to have more scandals like this, he's going to get us all killed in a nuclear war. This is the only thing I disagree with, and that's on the basis of ignorance because I don't know how foreign policy works and I don't know how much power Trump would have when it comes to starting a global war. I criticize Keith Olbermann for saying that. [QUOTE=sgman91;51496539]I take back what I said earlier. He's even worse than Hannity. He's more comparable to someone like Ann Coulter.[/QUOTE] Are you forgetting who Sean Hannity is? I swear to christ when people compare Keith Olbermann to Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, or Alex Jones, they don't know who any of those three people are, or they do and all they know about them is that they're angry right wing political commentators.

[quote] Context: If Trump continues to have [B]more scandals like this[/B], he's going to get us all killed in a nuclear war. [/QUOTE] Are these weasel words or are you going to mention a scandal later? Because you stated none in your post to even make the basis for them. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51496644] Are you forgetting who Sean Hannity is? I swear to christ when people compare Keith Olbermann to Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, or Alex Jones, they don't know who any of those three people are, or they do and all they know about them is that they're angry right wing political commentators.[/QUOTE] :smug:

I've literally never seen or heard of Keith before election season. Why do people post this guy? He's kinda ragey and moronic.

Because hes the resistance man of social justice spirit under the tyrannical oppression of current dictator trump

[QUOTE=Sally;51494355] Yeah I can accept Keith's job is keep supporting channel alive. Alex Jones does the same thing with the products he's selling, because for Alex's case its to support his show for being transmitted on the radio and to support the stream from his website. Again please read that Alex isn't doing what he does as a personal profit to himself, its really just to keep his show running.[/QUOTE] Yeah, no. Keith Olbermann isn't a [I]literal[/I] snake-oil salesman like Alex Jones. Alex Jones genuinely sells "male vitality" tinctures starting at $50 USD. I don't think anybody on Youtube compares to that sleezebag. [editline]8th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sally;51497365]Are these weasel words or are you going to mention a scandal later? Because you stated none in your post to even make the basis for them. :smug:[/QUOTE] Did you even read his post? Like, even 1 line down from what you quoted perhaps?

[QUOTE=CowTippinScot;51497451]Yeah, no. Keith Olbermann isn't a [I]literal[/I] snake-oil salesman like Alex Jones. Alex Jones genuinely sells "male vitality" tinctures starting at $50 USD. I don't think anybody on Youtube compares to that sleezebag. [editline]8th December 2016[/editline] Did you even read his post? Like, even 1 line down from what you quoted perhaps?[/QUOTE] No scandal found

[QUOTE=Sally;51497506]No scandal found[/QUOTE] Are you trying to say there hasn't been countless scandals regarding trump especially in the past year

[QUOTE=CowTippinScot;51497562]Are you trying to say there hasn't been countless scandals regarding trump especially in the past year[/QUOTE] No, just stop. You just asked me if I read rofls post as if I missed anything from it. Then when I tell you there are none actually there you try to change the goal. My original statement remains and you can go back to rating my posts the way they make you feel. [QUOTE=Sally;51497365]Are these weasel words or are you going to mention a scandal later? Because you stated none in your post to even make the basis for them. [/QUOTE] I mean if you want to go further, he has to list scandals that are going to support the nuclear end of the war moaning. I dont want to go further if you dont want to play flushed

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51494141]He's just very dramatic about it. I would be too tbh, Trump is likely one of the most dangerous presidents, and dangerous precedents the USA has seen for a good while now. Given who he is, how he behaves and the people he's picked to support him.[/QUOTE] melodrama is never okay just makes you look like a 13 year old sonic fan

[QUOTE=Saturn V;51498468]melodrama is never okay just makes you look like a 13 year old sonic fan[/QUOTE] Depends on context and what you sell yourself as. For something like this it's fine. If you're doing it in a debate with somebody for example, then of course it's not okay.

[QUOTE=Saturn V;51498468]melodrama is never okay just makes you look like a 13 year old sonic fan[/QUOTE] Do you think keith secretly made coldsteel?

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51498539]Depends on context and what you sell yourself as. For something like this it's fine. If you're doing it in a debate with somebody for example, then of course it's not okay.[/QUOTE] I guess if hes selling himself to the lowest audience then he should remain graded as just another low tier performer.

[QUOTE=Sally;51499101]I guess if hes selling himself to the lowest audience then he should remain graded as just another low tier performer.[/QUOTE] Not everything has to be super high-brow to have value you know. Farce as a genre has good examples of worthwhile material You're going to want to look at the core arguments of his to brand him with that

[QUOTE=Pops;51490333]this. stock market and dow hit record highs the day after election day, can we really say trump has crashed the economy before he's even sworn in?[/QUOTE] the stock market has been hitting record highs all year, and last year, and the year before that. Stocks are in general pretty fucking amazing right now even as the economy has been doing not so well for the average worker. Also the Dow isn't really a good reflection of the state of the economy or long term investments, just something very easy to casually say is either up or down in a brief newscast to reflect the sentiment of the day. Trump is maybe good in the short term since he's planning to just dump barrels of money onto private hands under the guise of infastructure spending, and will probably rubber stamp every permit for oil exploitation that comes his way but long term he has no policy for sustained growth nor does he appear to be tackling the issues that have plagued the economy for years now, stagnant wages, poor working conditions, and generally lack of investment in workers, and his picks for regulatory agencies have basically made it clear he doesn't care about these things either.

Olbermann isn't wrong at all, but the amount of outrage is not entirely proportionate to what Trump has done, at least in comparison to the debacle of Obama's stimulus package. Trump is not following after convervative prinicples at the moment, but it remains to be seen if this is a good tactic to improve his popularity. As someone who supported him over Hillary, I still expect to hold him to a higher standard. My fear is that the GOP, Ryan especially, is willing to do anything Trump asks without question even if it undermines the platform entirely.

[QUOTE=Sally;51497967]No, just stop. You just asked me if I read rofls post as if I missed anything from it. Then when I tell you there are none actually there you try to change the goal. My original statement remains and you can go back to rating my posts the way they make you feel. I mean if you want to go further, he has to list scandals that are going to support the nuclear end of the war moaning. I dont want to go further if you dont want to play flushed[/QUOTE] Dude, just go back to your reddit echochambers.