I think the reason why some white people are so averse to hearing the N-word, whether by blacks in the case of those who are more conservative, or by other whites in the case of those who are more liberal, is because merely enunciating it and hearing it out loud implicitly reinforces the notion of black negativity. After all, it is a word that quite a few whites have grown up listening to, and some may be more prone to internalizing its meaning than others.
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This is all in the realm of psychology and I don't know if the literature is out there so I can't really say for sure though. But if this is the case then I don't think it'd be worth our efforts to chastise people who don't feel like hearing what is actually a really ugly word.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39907701]idk so people don't think you're racist? hmm[/QUOTE]
intent has a lot to do with what a word like nigger actually connotates
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39901152]It would be racist
White people are already allowed to be as white as they want to be, when black people "act black" they're looked down upon for it (usually by white people)[/QUOTE]
Oh and white people aren't looked down upon by black people when they supposedly "act white"? Come on.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39907718]privilege is the idea that someone is endowed greater opportunities in life without merit. it goes into a greater context of "privilege and oppression"(oppression being treated worse because of belonging to a certain group). we all suffer oppression and have privileges in certain situations, cultures, and communities. whites, men, and rich people are more privileged on average, and blacks, women, and poor are more oppressed on average. however, you might find yourself in a community or situation where being white or rich might actually cause you to be oppressed, although those situations would be the minority.
the idea is that you should be conscious of your privileges and oppressions, although people have seemed to twist that into the joke "check your white/male privilege!" which is completely dumb considering people actually [i]do[/i] have privilege.[/QUOTE]
when the average for racial privilege is based off quite a bit of diversity and intangibles make gender privilege a complicated question, i'm inclined to say they aren't significant factors and others like wealth and organisation play much larger roles. it's obvious why people go for race and gender because they're easy to classify, same as trying to use IQ to bring it all back to a single factor, but they aren't particularly good predictors and individual circumstances influence it far more.
[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;39907765]I think the reason why some white people are so averse to hearing the N-word, whether by blacks in the case of those who are more conservative, or by other whites in the case of those who are more liberal, is because merely enunciating it and hearing it out loud implicitly reinforces the notion of black negativity. After all, it is a word that quite a few whites have grown up listening to, and some may be more prone to internalizing its meaning than others.
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This is all in the realm of psychology and I don't know if the literature is out there so I can't really say for sure though. But if this is the case then I don't think it'd be worth our efforts to chastise people who don't feel like hearing what is actually a really ugly word.[/QUOTE]
NWA at work. of course all this has really led to is a retarded debate over the difference between nigger and nigga showing just how retarded the whole situation is. it's not something in the common american vocabulary, but defanging it is the best course however you do that.
[QUOTE=Lua Laputa;39907697]Nation of Islam, New Black Panther Party, Israelite church of God in Jesus Christ, and more, not to mention the illegal government land seizures and beatings of white farmers in Zimbabwe
Yeah, it does exist, it may not be be as widespread, but it's evidently there[/QUOTE]
All of these are indirectly the result of white racism and colonialism.
[QUOTE=Lua Laputa;39907697]And don't even try to spin this on me, these guys as well as every white supremacist group are as bad as each other[/QUOTE]
I hate false equivalencies like this. To say that the Nation of Islam and New Black Panther Party are just as bad as the KKK is asinine; black separatist groups haven't gone around the South terrorizing whites.
[QUOTE=Ast_risk;39907835]Oh and white people aren't looked down upon by black people when they supposedly "act white"? Come on.[/QUOTE]
"Acting white" is not a mirror image of "acting black." "Acting white" is a caricature. Black people are looked down upon for tons of common things.
There's also no consequence for whites for stuff like this because the other group isn't pushing them around telling them how to act.
[QUOTE=Ast_risk;39907835]Oh and white people aren't looked down upon by black people when they supposedly "act white"? Come on.[/QUOTE]
not really a substantial answer but i'd say that while you're looked down upon for being stupid either way, people who use ebonics dialects and attitudes associated with black culture is seen as stupid however they really act. it's not exclusive to black people and acting like a redneck gets the same bad reaction as a ghetto gangster, but you have to realise that people make assumptions based on that for whatever reason.
it really doesn't matter if you dress in black leather with spikes all over it or baggy clothes with your pants sagged down, if you can put on a clean shirt and speak semi-formally at work then you're fine. it's just something those outside the societal norms have to deal with.
[QUOTE=harryh11;39907677]Saying the n-word rather than nigger, to someone who you know will not be offended by it, or in a context where it would not be construed as racist. Arbitrary. pointless. Why would I censor myself like this.[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna backpedal and say this is probably fine, but I just feel like some of you are going out of your way to try and say it, and that's creepy. I also don't think [I] a thread about racism [/I] is a place for it and I never would have even brought it up if that weren't the case. Regardless of if you think it's fine, I think you should understand that this isn't the time or place.
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;39907695]And, saying "n-word" just makes you sound like a child too afraid to say a naughty word.[/QUOTE]
but fuck looking down on people actively not using a word
[QUOTE=Devodiere;39907893]when the average for racial privilege is based off quite a bit of diversity and intangibles make gender privilege a complicated question, i'm inclined to say they aren't significant factors and others like wealth and organisation play much larger roles. it's obvious why people go for race and gender because they're easy to classify, same as trying to use IQ to bring it all back to a single factor, but they aren't particularly good predictors and individual circumstances influence it far more.[/QUOTE]
they are less useful as predictors of an individual's privilege or oppression in a large country, to be sure. however, studies and statistics can show an average, and they can show that there are definite problems in the way our culture is.
to say they aren't significant is pretty wrong, but they are certainly situational and depend on the individual's environment.
What a retarded movie idea
[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;39907894]All of these are indirectly the result of white racism and colonialism.[/QUOTE]
I was just pointing out that institutionalized racism against whites does actually exist, regardless of its background. It still doesn't excuse their actions
[QUOTE]I hate false equivalencies like this. To say that the Nation of Islam and New Black Panther Party are just as bad as the KKK is asinine; black separatist groups haven't gone around the South terrorizing whites.[/QUOTE]
They're still hate groups that encourage that sort of thing, that's what matters, what reason is there for them to sink to the KKK's level?
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39907948] I also don't think [I] a thread about racism [/I] is a place for it and I never would have even brought it up if that weren't the case. Regardless of if you think it's fine, I think you should understand that this isn't the time or place.
but fuck looking down on people actively not using a word[/QUOTE]
I would have imagined that a thread about racism would be the one of the most likely places to find the word.
All I will say is the video fucking annoyed me.
fp takes a lighthearted comedy about racism and turns it into a super serious discussion about racism where white boys think they have to defend themselves constantly
i love existence
I don't think it's necessary to keep summarizing the thread every other page.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;39908055]fp takes a lighthearted comedy about racism and turns it into a super serious discussion about racism where white boys think they have to defend themselves constantly
i love existence[/QUOTE]
that's the point of this brand of comedy and satire. it's meant to make you think about and discuss privilege and racism in our culture.
There's a time and place to stop and we've clearly gone past it about nine times in this circular road, let's just stop.
Please?
No because people like me come in on the ninth page, having read little of the previous pages and just drag the discussion further into banality
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;39908161]There's a time and place to stop and we've clearly gone past it about nine times in this circular road, let's just stop.
Please?[/QUOTE]
if you don't like the discussion then why reply at all?
it's like going into a mass debate thread and saying "why are you guys still arguing about this?". it should have been obvious from the get-go what people would be discussing in this thread and of course things get repeated because different people come in and out of the discussion at different points in time.
[QUOTE=Lua Laputa;39908013]They're still hate groups that encourage that sort of thing, that's what matters, what reason is there for them to sink to the KKK's level?[/QUOTE]
No I mean ideologically speaking they can both be messed up to the same degree (though even that I doubt), but there's also the practical aspect and a hate group composed of minorities will be able to enact their prejudice only so much in a white-majority society.
There's this [URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nurse-banned-neborn-care-race-article-1.1265086#ixzz2KzgLrBUn"]incident that happened not too long ago[/URL] where a hospital in Michigan actually complied with a neo-nazi father's orders to bar all black nurses from caring for his newly born daughter while in intensive care. An overtly racist black man simply wouldn't be able to successfully make a request like that not only because nobody would take him seriously but because the power dynamics and paucity of black physicians ensure that you'd have to interact with white people in one way or another.
You can argue that ideology makes for hurt feelings but the real world is what really counts, and even then ideology reflects that.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;39908161]There's a time and place to stop and we've clearly gone past it about nine times in this circular road, let's just stop.
Please?[/QUOTE]
If your name isn't green stop telling people to stop posting, it's annoying.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39908135]that's the point of this brand of comedy and satire. it's meant to make you think about and discuss privilege and racism in our culture.[/QUOTE]
theres a difference between productive discussion and anything that goes on on facepunch
I'm white and I thought that was pretty funny.
[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;39908210]No I mean ideologically speaking they can both be messed up to the same degree (though even that I doubt), but there's also the practical aspect and a hate group composed of minorities will be able to enact their prejudice only so much in a white-majority society.
There's this [URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nurse-banned-neborn-care-race-article-1.1265086#ixzz2KzgLrBUn"]incident that happened not too long ago[/URL] where a hospital in Michigan actually complied with a neo-nazi father's orders to bar all black nurses from caring for his newly born daughter while in intensive care. An overtly racist black man simply wouldn't be able to successfully make a request like that not only because nobody would take him seriously but because the power dynamics and paucity of black physicians ensure that you'd have to interact with white people in one way or another.
You can argue that ideology makes for hurt feelings but the real world is what really counts, and even then ideology reflects that.[/QUOTE]
The ideology is the root of the problem, and just because the minorities are less able to enact doesn't mean they're less legitimate
hahaha this thread
max is the best at starting shitstorms
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39907659]I never said that.
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yeah, male privilege[/QUOTE]
so for me to get all privilege I need to be black and a woman
[QUOTE=pvt.jenkins;39908827]so for me to get all privilege I need to be black and a woman[/QUOTE]
what that's like the opposite
more like straight, able-bodied, white, cis, sexually-male or SAWCSM
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39907348]OK there's like .01% of scenarios where it might be OK for a white person to say it
I'm so sorry for ignoring that tiny minority.
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wow, ignoring minorities
yeah good work, racist
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