• Why tipping is a scam - Grade A Under A
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[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;50072203]When I was in America some years ago, the biggest problem wasn't how much to tip, but who to tip, and when. Because it's so arbitrary I was never sure if I was doing it right or not.[/QUOTE] Every time I see a thread a bout tipping there are Euros that make it sound like it's some sort of science knowing who to tip. Most of the time you are only going to have to worry about tipping someone that brings you food, that's it. Some other places might have a tip jar sitting at the register but nobody thinks negatively of you if you don't put something in it other than maybe the person receiving it. I really feel like you lot vastly overthink how tipping is viewed in the US. I don't really see why people act like they're forced to tip when they visit here. Who gives a shit if some random waiter at a restaurant you'll probably never eat at again thinks your cheap?
[QUOTE=Duck M.;50072467]This sort of thinking happens when you make blanket generalizations about everyone in a country of 300 million people[/QUOTE] Or I could be referring specifically to the people defending this shit in the thread, and people who have done so in the past. I shouldn't have to add "BTW I know not all Americans are robot clones who share the same brain and have different opinions." I didn't say "Literally all Americans love their tipping culture and hate taxes." I said I don't understand Americans who do follow that line of thought like RichyZ, or you.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;50072487]Or I could be referring specifically to the people defending this shit in the thread, and people who have done so in the past. I shouldn't have to add "BTW I know not all Americans are robot clones who share the same brain and have different opinions." I didn't say "Literally all Americans love their tipping culture and hate taxes." I said I don't understand Americans who do follow that line of thought like RichyZ, or you.[/QUOTE] Yeah I dont buy that when you opened your post with "This is something I never understood about Americans."
yeah you tip anyone who brings food or alcohol to your table or your door and you tip anyone who carries things that you could have carried yourself. nobody else.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;50072496]Yeah I dont buy that when you opened your post with "This is something I never understood about Americans."[/QUOTE] Because I've literally never seen anyone but Americans complain about sales tax/VAT and also shame people for not tipping.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;50071912]Yeah I cant see most waiters being happy with virtually no tips and just above min wage. People in this country are already heavily opposed to people at McDonalds making more than 10/h, you can bet your ass it would be an uphill battle to get the average waiter's wage to anywhere near that point Oh and the price of food would rise anyway to compensate for the employers to pay a regular wage[/QUOTE] Wait, the discussion up until now was about ensuring waiters make at least minimum wage via tips or otherwise, now you're saying they actually want to make much more than that and that's why people like you defend tipping tooth and nails? Why exactly should waiters deserve to be paid more than other workers with similar levels of skills like cashiers, or people who work in stocks, when the latter are only paid minimum wage? The way you put it, you shouldn't actually tip for the sake of giving the waiter a mean to eat and pay his bills, but to further a privileged situation he has over other types of workers.
I don't complain about sales tax, it pays for welfare, transportation, and the police. nothing wrong with sales tax. it's income tax I don't like.
[QUOTE=butre;50072593]I don't complain about sales tax, it pays for welfare, transportation, and the police. nothing wrong with sales tax. it's income tax I don't like.[/QUOTE] They're both necessary.
[URL]http://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips[/URL] [url]http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=paul simon;50072602]They're both necessary.[/QUOTE] UAE gets away with no income tax just fine
[QUOTE=butre;50072614]UAE gets away with no income tax just fine[/QUOTE] Not every country is rich Gulf oil state.
its up to the states to make a requirment to have lower wage for ppl that makes tip
[QUOTE=butre;50072614]UAE gets away with no income tax just fine[/QUOTE] UAE is a rather shit place to live if you're not loaded.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50072727]UAE is a rather shit place to live if you're not loaded.[/QUOTE] yeah so is the rest of the world
Not to mention— extremely subsided gas (full tank is around $15), free health care and a bunch of other social services. If you are poor than these Gulf states are not so bad. Wouldn't live there even if the King paid me a monthly stipend— though.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50072028]Being "archaic" isn't a reason. As a side note, wages are even more archaic than tipping.[/QUOTE] tipping is a medieval practice that nobles would do to show off how wealthy they were to their friends it's nothing more than signalling. the big problem is that because it's a contest, rich people constantly seek to outdo one another in tipping and hence it leads to tips growing and waiters becoming either more dependent upon tips or demanding of them this effectively puts a lot of social pressure and strain on middle and lower class people who eat out because they are expected to tip when formerly it was just a practice among the rich [QUOTE=butre;50072060]what's more archaic about exchanging money for services than exchanging money for services?[/QUOTE] its not exchanging money for services because customers don't give waiters money in return for good service - they give it either because of social pressure or because they want to emphasize how wealthy and generous they are to their peers. I don't plan on tipping, and I mean if they spit in my food then I'm not going to pay for the food - simple as that.
your response to me 100% proves that you don't understand tips
[QUOTE=butre;50072742]yeah so is the rest of the world[/QUOTE] Not even close.
[QUOTE=butre;50072907]your response to me 100% proves that you don't understand tips[/QUOTE] there's a reason the practice died out here (or became largely optional) believe it or not, but waiters after the various revolutions in Europe (1789 or 1917) actually refused to take tips because they saw it as degrading it's archaic because it's a practice that aristocrats did to impress their friends and to showcase how wealthy and generous they were the fact that it's become institutional in America is disturbing in itself [editline]5th April 2016[/editline] there isn't even any empirical evidence to suggest that bigger tips results in better service anyways
I don't understand the argument of "the food is cheaper so tipping would just make you pay what you would have anyway". If it's the case, the food isn't cheaper, it's the same price,you just trick the customer into thinking it's cheaper. So why not directly include service in the price? Just like the stores that lists the price before tax. Why not include it directly? To me it's just false advertising. I'm so glad I live in a country where tipping is what it is supposed to be : a little extra you add when you're in a good mood.
[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;50072950] Just like the stores that lists the price before tax. Why not include it directly? To me it's just false advertising.[/QUOTE] This does not happen because in the United States, each State and respective county has their own tax rate so it would it be impossible for manufacturers and packagers to list the correct sales tax and somehow predict where each individual package will end up in the course of its lifespan. England can do this because they have a uniform tax rate, unlike the United States different tax rates for every individual city and state.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;50072996]This does not happen because in the United States, each State has their own tax rate so it would it be impossible for manufacturers and packagers to list the correct sales tax and somehow predict where each individual package will end up in the course of its lifespan. England can do this because they have a uniform tax rate, unlike the United States 50 different tax rates.[/QUOTE] That's not a good reason at all, really. The store just need to label their goods, that's how it's done in France. I don't remember ever seeing an item here with it's price labeled by the manufacturer, unless it's a "recommended retail price", and that's really rare. Everything from meal bills to clothes prices lists directly the final amount you'll have to pay, makes everything easier. And you'll get the tax info on the receipt, if you're into that.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;50072996]This does not happen because in the United States, each State has their own tax rate so it would it be impossible for manufacturers and packagers to list the correct sales tax and somehow predict where each individual package will end up in the course of its lifespan. England can do this because they have a uniform tax rate, unlike the United States 50 different tax rates.[/QUOTE] He's not necessarily talking about packaging, but specifically within the stores themselves that stock said items. Of course that'd cause confusion when you take into account any difference between labels and the listed prices. Hell, there are even different sales taxes between different towns/cities/etc. I can get the exact same thing at 2 McDonald's that are not even a mile down the street from one another, one of them is going to ring up higher.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50072921]there isn't even any empirical evidence to suggest that bigger tips results in better service anyways[/QUOTE] im pretty sure the tip comes [I]after[/I] the service in most situations.
tipping is fucking dumb [editline]6th April 2016[/editline] fuck you employers for using us, making us have the responsibility to pay your employees
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50072921]there's a reason the practice died out here (or became largely optional) believe it or not, but waiters after the various revolutions in Europe (1789 or 1917) actually refused to take tips because they saw it as degrading it's archaic because it's a practice that aristocrats did to impress their friends and to showcase how wealthy and generous they were the fact that it's become institutional in America is disturbing in itself [editline]5th April 2016[/editline] there isn't even any empirical evidence to suggest that bigger tips results in better service anyways[/QUOTE] I haven't heard anything about tipping being connected to the aristocracy showing off wealth (especially in 1789? where the hell were these aristocrats eating out?) but am I to think the 12.5% "optional service charge" added to most bills are not tips? Or do you actually ask the waiter to take it off? I mean sure you can do it and they do remove it but that just seems like a dick thing to do in my opinion. I try to at least leave some change if I can if they don't have it added in. Also how are you going to have empirical evidence about tipping and better service? Anecdotal evidence is pretty much all you can base this on isn't it?
*Applicable only to the American tipping system* The amount of ignorance flooding the first page is astounding. Dysentery laid it out in words a child could understand and people are still defending not tipping their servers? I can't believe how selfish some people are. If you can't afford to pay the bill + tip then don't eat out, it's that simple. - You tip because servers are paid less than minimum wage. - Employers do NOT match up to minimum wage because it's easy to say their servers pocketed their cash tips and did not report them. The system is unenforceable. - Not tipping the server will not change this broken system and will only hurt the server. - If you can't afford to tip, go buy some fucking groceries and cook for yourself. - If you genuinely care about this topic so deeply, make your way into politics and change the system from the ground up. There is NO OTHER WAY and complaining about it changes nothing. I've never even worked in a service based industry and I still understand the importance, no matter how corrupt or convoluted it is. I tip based upon my server's performance, but never leave under 15%, unless they were a complete cunt. Tipping my server isn't me showing off, or proving my wealth, or impressing my peers, it's supporting a very poorly paid service industry employee. If you don't do this, you [B]are an asshole[/B].
Grade was on point in this vid, but I really hope he makes that teacher video he's been hyping up for some time, it sounds amazing.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50073629]If you genuinely care about this topic so deeply, make your way into politics and change the system from the ground up. [B]There is NO OTHER WAY and complaining about it changes nothing[/B].[/QUOTE] The same could be to said to waiters and waitresses. In fact— it is more applicable to them. It is not our responsibility as the consumer to fight for the rights of waiters/waitresses. If YOU want better pay— then it is your responsibility to do it. We are not going to tip you and fight for you in the political arena at the same time. The notion that is our job to not only pay waiters' salaries, but to also [I]fight[/I] in Congress for waiters is ludicrous. Do something on your own for once. We are not going to babysit you the full mile. "If you genuinely care so deeply about making sure waiters are paid, make your way into politics and change the system from the ground up." "There is NO OTHER WAY for a waiter and complaining as a waiter changes nothing."
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;50070575]Good lord its leaving two or three extra dollars at the end of your meal. What a nightmare.[/QUOTE] Do you leave 3 extra bucks after finishing your meal at McD's or KFC?
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