• Why tipping is a scam - Grade A Under A
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[QUOTE=_Axel;50075473]So why are all the defenders of tipping here crying about waiters getting fucked by their employers and all if they make way more than minimum wage? Why should waiters be paid way more than minimum wages when jobs that require just as much skill and are just as tedious barely make over minimum? If what you're saying is correct then by not tipping I'm not hurting them more than I'm hurting the cashier by not giving her free money. Nobody gives free money to cashiers yet nobody bats an eye.[/QUOTE] Why do people keep making the comparison to cashiers. Have any of you actually worked as cashiers or waiters before. Waiting tables is more difficult.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50075510]Why do people keep making the comparison to cashiers. Have any of you actually worked as cashiers or waiters before. Waiting tables is more difficult.[/QUOTE] You've done both?
[QUOTE=butre;50075416]FYI you generally make way more on tips than you would getting paid minimum or even a living wage so yeah by not tipping you're definitely hurting the waiters[/QUOTE] I like how in the last page or so the argument has flipped from "We don't make minimum wage we [I]need[/I] tips to survive!" to "But with tips we make way more than minimum wage so give us tips!" The first isn't true and the second is just plain stupid.
[QUOTE=_Axel;50075518]You've done both?[/QUOTE] Cashier at 17, waiter at 18. Waiting is more difficult for sure. You don't even need to do both jobs now to see this. Just go to any grocery/department store with a self checkout.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;50073928]I tip a lot. But one time when eating at this local Asian eatery with my girlfriend, I did not leave a tip. I was followed outside in the parking lot by an exasperated and frazzled lady. "Hold on! You forgot something!" Relieved at the fact that I nearly forgot my phone or wallet, the lady informed me that I forgot "to tip." The fact you would follow someone out because they gave you $1 makes you an ungrateful little shit, undeserving of any at all.[/QUOTE] Same kind of thing happened to me when I was in Disney World for my sister's wedding. Had everything paid for already so I didn't have my wallet on me and the waitress brings me the bill for a tip. She even made a big thing a big thing about it and even tried to say I couldn't leave without tipping. The audacity of some people.
[QUOTE=_Axel;50075518]You've done both?[/QUOTE] I've done both and waiting is at least 5 times the work of a cashier
[QUOTE=butre;50075567]I've done both and waiting is at least 5 times the work of a cashier[/QUOTE] Just because your job is a lot of work and doesn't pay fairly for that work doesn't mean everybody should make up for your employers slack.
[QUOTE=butre;50075567]I've done both and waiting is at least 5 times the work of a cashier[/QUOTE] What about working in stock like that one poster did? There are many jobs that require interaction with the customer and tipping is only for serving. Anyway it's clear the conversation has steered from pitying waiters for not making enough to survive to waiters not making "way more than minimum wage" if you don't tip them. Saying people who don't tip deserve their food to be spit in or to be punched in the throat seems way less righteous in this context.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;50074562]"the system is broken so the customer is responsible. dont like it? dont eat out" fuck off[/QUOTE] Grow up, man. Complaining about it does nothing. Either tip your waiter who provided you excellent service or don't eat out. How is that so hard to understand?
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075780]Grow up, man. Complaining about it does nothing. Either tip your waiter who provided you excellent service or don't eat out. How is that so hard to understand?[/QUOTE] Why should we pay for something we're not responsible for ?
[QUOTE=_Axel;50075789]Why should we pay for something we're not responsible for ?[/QUOTE] You don't believe you're responsible to tip your server? Wow - all the people who think they shouldn't have to tip are from different countries. Why are you even caring about a system that has no effect on your life, whatsoever?
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075793]You don't believe you're responsible to tip your server? Wow - all the people who think they shouldn't have to tip are from different countries. Why are you even caring about a system that has no effect on your life, whatsoever?[/QUOTE] It's not like people visit the USA or anything. Why should a customer be responsible for paying you what your employer doesn't? I'll always tip if I'm impressed by someone's job performance, but I'll be damned if I give free money to some brat that thinks he's entitled to it and judges people when he doesn't recieve it.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075793]You don't believe you're responsible to tip your server? Wow - all the people who think they shouldn't have to tip are from different countries. Why are you even caring about a system that has no effect on your life, whatsoever?[/QUOTE] I'm not responsible for their employers not paying them decent wages. If they are making much more than minimum pay what difference does it make if I don't tip them anyway?
[QUOTE=_Axel;50075802]I'm not responsible for their employers not paying them decent wages.[/QUOTE] "I don't live here so your standard of living and cultural elements are irrelevant to me. Sucks to be you, server. Sorry."
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075809]"I don't live here so your standard of living and cultural elements are irrelevant to me. Sucks to be you, server. Sorry."[/QUOTE] Dude we already gave multiple reasons why tipping is dumb as fuck, don't hide behind a cultural standard argument.
Guess the moral of the story in this thread is, "I don't like the way the system works so I won't condone it by tipping servers making less than minimum wage because it was the only job they could find." [editline]5th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;50075822]Dude we already gave multiple reasons why tipping is dumb as fuck, don't hide behind a cultural standard argument.[/QUOTE] Did I ever say it wasn't dumb as fuck? No, not once. It just is the way it is. And I feel legitimately guilty if I don't tip because I understand the trouble those servers have to deal with. So I'll continue to tip because there's not much else I can do to help.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075793]You don't believe you're responsible to tip your server? Wow - all the people who think they shouldn't have to tip are from different countries. Why are you even caring about a system that has no effect on your life, whatsoever?[/QUOTE] I shouldn't HAVE to tip, if I want to I will.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075824]Guess the moral of the story in this thread is, "I don't like the way the system works so I won't condone it by tipping servers making less than minimum wage because it was the only job they could find."[/QUOTE] The precariousness of being a waiter doesn't hold much water when you have posters defending tips saying they make way more than minimum wage with tips.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075824]Guess the moral of the story in this thread is, "I don't like the way the system works so I won't condone it by tipping servers making less than minimum wage because it was the only job they could find." [/QUOTE] Learn your own laws, friend. It was posted multiple times that the employer has to make up the difference if tips aren't enough for minimum wage.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075780]Grow up, man. Complaining about it does nothing. Either tip your waiter who provided you excellent service or don't eat out. How is that so hard to understand?[/QUOTE] if they provided excellent service, i would tip them even if it wasn't necessary for them to get tips in order to get a living wage. not every server provides excellent service.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075809]"I don't live here so your standard of living and cultural elements are irrelevant to me. Sucks to be you, server. Sorry."[/QUOTE] Uh no, just because we are posting from different countries doesn't mean we haven't been a customer in an American restaruant, or haven't come across ungrateful bastards like the guy in this thread who said he'd follow someone outside to give their 'measely $1 tip' back.. Get a grip. Nice straw-man though.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50075859]Learn your own laws, friend. It was posted multiple times that the employer has to make up the difference if tips aren't enough for minimum wage.[/QUOTE] Yes, but not every state practices that law. It's not like it's federally mandated. And as stated before, companies are corrupt and will simply claim the servers didn't report their tips and nothing will happen about it.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075870]Yes, but not every state practices that law. It's not like it's federally mandated. And as stated before, companies are corrupt and will simply claim the servers didn't report their tips and nothing will happen about it.[/QUOTE] And that's not our problem. We shouldn't *have* to tip just because your employer is shitty.
I'm outtie, clearly my opinion clashes with all of yours so there's no point in continuing the debate. I tip servers who provide great service and will continue to do so.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075870]Yes, but not every state practices that law. It's not like it's federally mandated. And as stated before, companies are corrupt and will simply claim the servers didn't report their tips and nothing will happen about it.[/QUOTE] Well then you have a much greater issue than me apparently being a dick for not giving you extra money. Not my issue, can't convince me that it is.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075870]Yes, but not every state practices that law. It's not like it's federally mandated. And as stated before, companies are corrupt and will simply claim the servers didn't report their tips and nothing will happen about it.[/QUOTE] Many posters here have shown that it's actually pretty easy to get your due if you're being fucked by your boss in such a way.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075875]I tip servers who provide great service and will continue to do so.[/QUOTE] So do I, but you aren't entitled to them. I shouldn't be under-pressure to do it. Not everywhere has great service
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075875]I'm outtie, clearly my opinion clashes with all of yours so there's no point in continuing the debate. I tip servers who provide great service and will continue to do so.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's what pretty much everybody is saying, tip servers who provide great service. Not every John/Jane that hands you a milkshake.
tipping someone for good service =/= tipping someone, regardless of quality of service, because if you don't they will get shafted by their employer. i am all for giving good servers something extra for that good service, but i shouldn't be socially obligated to make up for your boss literally exploiting you. it should be absolutely unacceptable that your boss is allowed to exploit you in the first place.
[QUOTE=Aetna;50075870]Yes, but not every state practices that law. [B]It's not like it's federally mandated.[/B] And as stated before, companies are corrupt and will simply claim the servers didn't report their tips and nothing will happen about it.[/QUOTE] Yes it is :v:
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