Todd Rogers: The Biggest Cheater in Gaming History
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This is hilariously embarrassing.
Shame the thread was locked. The good news is that there a couple other dispute threads about Todd's scores.
This one is about Todd's 1,698 in Wabbit:
[url]http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/178551-Dispute-Marc-Cohen-Atari-2600-VCS-Wabbit-NTSC-Game-1-Difficulty-B-Player-Todd-Rogers-Score-1-698[/url]
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;53078834]
there's a guy in there who's been arguing since the beginning. His newest defense is "I hear between 3000-10000 attempts, you hit the lottery. You need to create a deep mind genetic algorithm to play the game, then have it make at least that many attempts otherwise Todd is telling the truth and you're a HATER"
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This strikes me as the type of thinking that graybeard audiophiles exhibit: experience with common variations in early analog signal tech combined with absolutely no knowledge of how shit actually works.
i wouldn't be shocked if this was the same dumb ass boomer who asked if having a 500 dollar gold-wired ethernet cable will increase his audio quality over a network while not being aware that tcp/ip does a checksum on the data at the end.
Was that thread archived somewhere? I started resding it but only got to around page 4 before it was deleted...
[QUOTE=WhyNott;53079189]Was that thread archived somewhere? I started resding it but only got to around page 4 before it was deleted...[/QUOTE]
there's this at least
[QUOTE=DVH;53078822][url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170918150041/http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/175364-Dispute-Dick-Moreland-Atari-2600-VCS-Dragster-NTSC-Game-1-Difficulty-B-Fastest-Time-Player-Todd-Rogers-Score-05-51]Here are the first 7 pages of discussion on the Wayback Machine.[/url]
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Turns out only pages 1-7 and 168 are archived in here[/QUOTE]
but otherwise you're shit outta luck. i doubt that thread will ever come back, unless something big happens like Apollo making another vid calling them out for it.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;53076323][url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1591866[/url][/QUOTE]
Okay woah the forums bugged out because there was definitely two threads on this before but apparently it was the one thread split into two entries, my bad. I can't find the second one anymore.
Who's to say that when he visited the Dragster developers, with Twin Galaxies's help, he bribed them to help embellish his story?
Twin Galaxies is a terrible organization. Watching King of Kong really paints them in a shitty light as well. With them making Steve Wiebe do his record in person again (After submitting his score on video, showing him play the arcade), despite accepting Billy Mitchell's record which was recorded on a shitty VHS.
The TG thread is back up and visible. Apparently they banned some people in the thread and it magically auto-marked the thread as being invisible to guests and they didn't know how to fix it
[t]https://i.imgur.com/I26bPT6.png[/t]
i dont even know what to think about that lol but at least the insanity is public again
[editline]25th January 2018[/editline]
also they've issued another statement and set a deadline for resolving the drama around Todd's scores
[url]http://www.twingalaxies.com/entry.php/3472[/url]
[quote]Dear Community,
There has been much elevated discussion on the internet these last few days regarding video game competitor Todd Roger's, his disputed Dragster score, as well as many other scores of his.
As many are aware, [B]Twin Galaxies has been investigating this matter as thoroughly as possible over the last few months and remains on track to complete its investigation and render a decision as initially indicated by March 1st, 2018.[/B]
Twin Galaxies acknowledges that there are many people out there who would like to see the matter resolved as quickly as possible and may be frustrated at the amount of time the investigation has been taking - however Twin Galaxies' must be responsibly certain that it has objectively and demonstrably met all of the proper and reasonable due diligence requirements it feels it needs in order to come to a correct and supportable decision in this specific dispute - as such, methodical detail and comprehensiveness have superseded swiftness and urgency.
We continue to work diligently and appreciate everyone's patience. This dispute will come to resolution soon.
Thank you.
-TG Admin [/quote]
what are they even doing that takes this long given how clear cut this shit is lol. are they hoping an easy solution will just drop out of the sky any day now??
Didn't even know this side of the internet existed.
Another website on my list of places to avoid, I suppose...
twin galaxies has always been a joke in the speedrunning community
absurd rulesets without any basis
horrendously outdated records
stupid verification process
absolutely clownshit categories
[url]http://www.twingalaxies.com/goldeneye-007/nintendo-64[/url]
look at this, nearly none of these are accurate
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;53076475]248 pages of pure insanity[/QUOTE]
255 now:
[QUOTE]Does anyone happen to know if this thread will "roll over" or crash the page counter ?
It's at 255 now and this matter has never before been encountered in TG history.[/QUOTE]
:v:
After reading through 100 pages of this, I am almost starting to belive that unreplicable hardware glitch is a possible option, just due to sheer persistence of all these people
This must be how doublethink works
[QUOTE=WhyNott;53083902]After reading through 100 pages of this, I am almost starting to belive that unreplicable hardware glitch is a possible option, just due to sheer persistence of all these people
This must be how doublethink works[/QUOTE]
I might believe that if Todd had proven himself to be trustworthy in any capacity
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;53083938]I might believe that if Todd had proven himself to be trustworthy in any capacity[/QUOTE]
No, I wouldn't even really believe that then. I'm just saying it because I'm impressed by the power of sheer denial. This is probably first time I see something like this in a non-political context
eyyy the vids at 1 million views now. good stuff.
there's so many dispute threads going on now for Todd's various bogus records, with pretty much all the replies agreeing they should get totally purged. There's even a pretty interesting reply from a former TG referee who was responsible for entering some of Todd's scores into the database way back who chimes in on the matter
[url]http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/180638-Dispute-Marc-Cohen-Atari-2600-VCS-Grand-Prix-NTSC-Game-1-Difficulty-B-Fastest-Time-Player-Todd-Rogers-Score-29-47?p=941966&viewfull=1#post941966[/url]
[t]https://i.imgur.com/zpYz75q.png[/t]
once again it really makes you wonder why TG would prefer to have this open-and-shut case get stretched out over a course of ultimately about [B]7 months[/B] before giving their verdict. Probably because, as Apollo has since pointed out, their site is getting absolutely massive traffic like never before from all this drama lol.
[t]https://i.imgur.com/YB1f534.png[/t]
tho it'll go right back to being dead as fuck once this is over anyways
[QUOTE=WhyNott;53083902]After reading through 100 pages of this, I am almost starting to belive that unreplicable hardware glitch is a possible option, just due to sheer persistence of all these people
This must be how doublethink works[/QUOTE]
Or, you know, he's a fucking shyster.
My favorite thing about Todd is that when he plays it and never even comes close he just makes excuses and pulls the "I can do it when no ones looking" line
[video=youtube;6WIxoVzevHk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WIxoVzevHk[/video]
[editline]27th January 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=WhyNott;53083902]After reading through 100 pages of this, I am almost starting to belive that unreplicable hardware glitch is a possible option, just due to sheer persistence of all these people
This must be how doublethink works[/QUOTE]
If you want to see a real virtually unreplicable glitch, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT0kXWd4jV0"]golden eye n64 dam agent 0:52[/URL]
It has [URL="https://youtu.be/9BChZORabks"]actual proof[/URL] too that it happened, the thing speedruns should need to actually be logged
it's obvious that the guy is a liar too
[video=youtube;9vuVYo4TXns]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vuVYo4TXns[/video]
Tons of speedrunners have used better-than-human-timing tool assisted runs and activism themselves tried to replicate it, people have taken consoles apart, they've even modded the game to run in the alleged gear
Nevermind the fact that you're outright ignoring how persistent Todd is at continuing to lie and how he's done this to many games
[editline]27th January 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=WhyNott;53083973]No, I don't actually believe so. I'm just impressed by the power of sheer denial. This is probably first time I see something like this in a non-political context[/QUOTE]
it's almost as if you need proof to back your claims up
huh what a weird thing that noone would believe someone with no proof, and that Todd has no proof for any of his records.
The reason so many people are persistent is because it makes for an interesting and fun experiment to test
someone apparently compiled a spreadsheet of every single suspicious Todd Roger's score (was this linked before somewhere??) and it's fucking nuts to look at
[url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12r8Hi8QuIedNKsyrVIyjw4S8194YtnEiGVZxqEx-b7U/edit#gid=0[/url]
"Fathom 1st place:[B] 1,110,500[/B] 2nd place:[B] 142 [/B]Proven score of 142 took approx 2.5 minutes. WR estimate = [B]325+ hours lol[/B]"
christ man try to be at least somewhat subtle with your faked scores lmao
EDIT: o i see, it just got posted to reddit ~6 hours ago [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/7tcr9p/comprehensive_list_of_todd_rogers/[/url]
and also i just realized the guy that made this spreadsheet is the guy that beat the goldeneye 64 dam :53 record
Some of them are impossible to absurd degrees, like stuff where the game would hit a killscreen after only a few minutes despite claiming he played for some amount of hours.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;53079103]Shame the thread was locked. The good news is that there a couple other dispute threads about Todd's scores.
This one is about Todd's 1,698 in Wabbit:
[URL]http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/178551-Dispute-Marc-Cohen-Atari-2600-VCS-Wabbit-NTSC-Game-1-Difficulty-B-Player-Todd-Rogers-Score-1-698[/URL][/QUOTE]
Jesus christ the defenders going all "Just round it down, obviously an error typing it in bro"
Well remember how the TG staff said they'd need till March 1st to make a decision??
[img]https://i.imgur.com/IYiDADJ.png[/img]
lol welp. 48 hours till shit hits the fan then I guess
jace hall realizing he fucked up
place ur bets
[img]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/tick.png[/img] = they remove all of todd's records
[img]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/cross.png[/img] = they only remove the 10 currently disputed scores
[img]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/funny2.png[/img] = they only remove the dragster record
[img]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/winner.png[/img] = they do nothing and keep siding with Todd, probably just round down his impossible scores whilst giving a ridiculous excuse, and the internet explodes lol
final tally: 53 funny, 24 winner, 22 disagree, 3 agree. Whynott, nachopiggy and waylander guessed right gj
[QUOTE=postal;53088315]Well remember how the TG staff said they'd need till March 1st to make a decision??
lol welp. 48 hours till shit hits the fan then I guess[/QUOTE]
if they don't remove this guys scores based on the mountain of evidence against him I hope people just stop using the site
if they can't even get such a blatant liar off their site, how many more scores were faked?
How can we trust ANY of the site if they can't even manage this?
This is 100% how to make your website obsolete through sheer stubbornness
If they don't remove his scores I'm going to fucking die
[QUOTE=RedDagger;53088478]Todd's a pretty arrogant man, so...well...[/QUOTE]
If they remove all his scores I wonder how he'll react tbh :v:
[QUOTE=postal;53088389]place ur bets[/QUOTE]
A comment on the /r/speedrun posts sums up my position - at this point, after all the inane defending they've been doing, there's little reason for them to suddenly accept that it's a fake time unless Todd himself says it's fake (and makes some dumb apology/excuse). Todd's a pretty arrogant man, so...well...
I have read all 266 pages. My head hurts but I think I could write a book on human hope and delusion now.
[QUOTE=postal;53088389]place ur bets
[img]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/tick.png[/img] = they remove all of todd's records
[img]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/cross.png[/img] = they only remove the 10 currently disputed scores
[img]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/funny2.png[/img] = they only remove the dragster record
[img]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/winner.png[/img] = they do nothing and keep siding with Todd, probably just round down his impossible scores, and the internet explodes lol[/QUOTE]
they supposedly have a policy that if you cheat all your records go so they better delete the lot. from what i read they ignored todds bullshit so they dont look bad as a Guinness verifier but at this point they are just making themselves look worse
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