Father Gives His Nephew An Old School Azz Whoopin For Acting Hard On Facebook On Facebook
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[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27299979]that every single kid in the world that get some spanking is going to do so.[/QUOTE]
it's called precaution
and a world without physical punishment sounds better than a world with physical punishment
Hi more peer-reviewed papers and books by psychology doctorates for you please stop defending an argument you lost
[url]http://psycnet.apa.org/?fa=main.doiLanding&uid=2002-01514-001[/url] (this one is great)
[url]http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/5/1321[/url]
[url]http://www.springerlink.com/content/3h66pch1lhl10dec/[/url]
[url]http://www.jstor.org/pss/353973[/url] (cites 4 or so other studies which supports its case)
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Yeah, right, because a 17 years old kid can't understand why he is getting spanked and will turn into a serial killer for making shit and getting a "reward" for it.[/QUOTE]
like i said, hyperbole doesn't change anything
why does it have to be black and white with you guys
so it's not a problem until he starts killing people and then we'll deal with it right?
that's the tragedy of the world innit, we'll leave it until it hits you hard and fucks everything up
[QUOTE=thisispain;27300008]it's called precaution
and a world without physical punishment sounds better than a world with physical punishment[/QUOTE]
Sure it sounds better, but it's not even an utopia, it's a crazy dream. A world without violence cannot exist, even if we put all the possible efforts in it.
And, holy fuck, are you seriously linking spanking on a 17 years old dumb fuck who deserved it with serial killing ? I mean, come on, it's not at 17 that you will start having your mind fucked up by spanking, it's way earlier that you can actually get influenced by such things.
As long as he don't get a finger cut or anal raped when he does shit, no reason he gets traumatized by it.
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300023]Sure it sounds better, but it's not even an utopia, it's a crazy dream. A world without violence cannot exist, even if we put all the possible efforts in it.[/QUOTE]
again with the fucking hyperbole
i don't know how you can equate being against child abuse with wanting to rid the world of violence
oh so because violence will always exist, it's okay to let kids get beaten
what a stupid thing to say
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300023]Sure it sounds better, but it's not even an utopia, it's a crazy dream. A world without violence cannot exist, even if we put all the possible efforts in it.[/QUOTE]
Uh, of course not, he's just making a point
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Saying "The world can't be free of violence so don't try to eliminate any violence" is fucking ridiculous by the way, if you had you way we'd all be murdered and/or raped by the next up-and-coming political party ages ago
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[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300023]Sure it sounds better, but it's not even an utopia, it's a crazy dream. A world without violence cannot exist, even if we put all the possible efforts in it.
And, holy fuck, are you seriously linking spanking on a 17 years old dumb fuck who deserved it with serial killing ? I mean, come on, it's not at 17 that you will start having your mind fucked up by spanking, it's way earlier that you can actually get influenced by such things.
As long as he don't get a finger cut or anal raped when he does shit, no reason he gets traumatized by it.[/QUOTE]
Age doesn't matter in traumatic events
[QUOTE=thisispain;27300034]again with the fucking hyperbole
i don't know how you can equate being against child abuse with wanting to rid the world of violence
oh so because violence will always exist, it's okay to let kids get beaten
what a stupid thing to say[/QUOTE]
I never said this. I said it's just stupid to hope for a perfect world without violence.
Now I'm not for child abuse or even spanking as an education method, but let's face it. THIS guy, in THIS case, just deserved it.
And for fucks sake it's not going to make him a cold blooded criminal. HE'S FUCKING 17.
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300061]I never said this. I said it's just stupid to hope for a perfect world without violence.
Now I'm not for child abuse or even spanking as an education method, but let's face it. THIS guy, in THIS case, just deserved it.[/QUOTE]
OK. I'm saying basing your morals surrounding corporal punishment on opinions is pretty fucking stupid. You don't know the backstory, and it's been proven many times that beatings produce psychological health problems.
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You can't justify something immoral by saying they "deserved it". Does it make rape any better if the person "deserved it"?
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I would call you a racist for saying he deserved it because you wouldn't say that if he was a white kid, but you'll just deny it
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300061]I never said this. I said it's just stupid to hope for a perfect world without violence.[/QUOTE]
oh so you just brought it up randomly, you weren't trying to insinuate that a perfect world without violence was what i was going for
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300061]Now I'm not for child abuse or even spanking as an education method, but let's face it. THIS guy, in THIS case, just deserved it.[/QUOTE]
you say this, knowing absolutely nothing about anything else
have you heard of occam's razor?
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[QUOTE=Xolo;27300074]
I would call you a racist for saying he deserved it because you wouldn't say that if he was a white kid, but you'll just deny it[/QUOTE]
well of course he'd deny it
Notice every reply by corporal punishment supporters is hyperbole or pulling at straws
I'm going to ask this. If not corporal punishment... Then what do you do when lecturing, talking about it, and re-educating doesn't work? Answer that without trying to force another slow loading pdf down my throat, and I'll actually listen.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300150]I'm going to ask this. If not corporal punishment... Then what do you do when lecturing, talking about it, and re-educating doesn't work? Answer that without trying to force another slow loading pdf down my throat, and I'll actually listen.[/QUOTE]
If those things don't work you're doing them wrong
[QUOTE=Xolo;27300074]OK. I'm saying basing your morals surrounding corporal punishment on opinions is pretty fucking stupid. You don't know the backstory, and it's been proven many times that beatings produce psychological health problems.
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You can't justify something which should (and, in most places, is) be illegal by saying they "deserved it". Does it make rape any better if the person "deserved it"?
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I would call you a racist for saying he deserved it because you wouldn't say that if he was a white kid, but you'll just deny it[/QUOTE]
I'll give you a particular case. A true one, actually.
And yeah, he deserved it.
At my school there was some "gifted" prick from a christian family who was absolutely convinced he just could do whatever he wanted because he was said "gifted" (IQ 125, something like this), including spitting on his classmates, threatening them, insulting them, etc.
He was white, blue eyed, blond haired.
Some way older guy just had enough of this, and in the school's cantina gave this kid a single punch right on his head. This single hit was enough to put him into KO, and yet he still poured water all over the kid's head and punched him several times after this.
The said kid never, ever pissed anyone again.
Stop arguing over a video that I didn't even get to see because it was removed.
I could really care less if you can't load the studies, they still blaringly state in peer-reviewed Verdana that you're wrong
[QUOTE=Xolo;27300165]If those things don't work you're doing them wrong[/QUOTE]
That is not what I asked, my friend. I asked what do you do when your doing it correctly, and based on what the book says, and its still failing.
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300167]I'll give you a particular case. A true one, actually.
And yeah, he deserved it.
At my school there was some "gifted" prick from a christian family who was absolutely convinced he just could do whatever he wanted because he was said "gifted" (IQ 125, something like this), including spitting on his classmates, threatening them, insulting them, etc.
He was white, blue eyed, blond haired.
Some way older guy just had enough of this, and in the school's cantina gave this kid a single punch right on his head. This single hit was enough to put him into KO, and yet he still poured water all over the kid's head and punched him several times after this.
The said kid never, ever pissed anyone again.[/QUOTE]
How in god's name is this even kind of relevant wtf
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300150]I'm going to ask this. If not corporal punishment... Then what do you do when lecturing, talking about it, and re-educating doesn't work? [/QUOTE]
then you fucked up hard or the child has an issue
guess what, neither are remedied by beating, and are actually made worse, surprise surprise
a child is not a fucking TV, when it stops working hitting it isn't the first thing you should jump towards
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300150]Answer that without trying to force another slow loading pdf down my throat, and I'll actually listen.[/QUOTE]
well i don't know about xolo but i'm not a parent
when i listened in my youth to my friends talk about being miserable when they get beaten and when i hear people with actual fucking research discuss about how harmful it is i like to take a fucking break and think about it
then i look at who's on the pro side and you know who i see
nobody but a bunch of facepunchers and doctors with theology degress
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300174]That is not what I asked, my friend. I asked what do you do when your doing it correctly, and based on what the book says, and its still failing.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't unless the child has mental problems
When a problem is so bad to be attempted to be solved by violence the damage and dysfunction has already occurred before the violence. It's never the solution.
[QUOTE=Xolo;27300173]I could really care less if you can't load the studies, they still blaringly state in peer-reviewed Verdana that you're wrong[/QUOTE]
Stop basing your opinion on studies and start thinking on your own.
Also, you didn't answer Skylynx question, which actually takes away any credibility of yours since the answer to his question isn't in one of your studies, I believe.
[QUOTE=Pj The Dj;27300195]When a problem is so bad to be attempted to be solved by violence the damage and dysfunction has already occurred before the violence. It's never the solution.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much, it can offer immediate (but not permanent, often) compliance but also a flurry of psychological health issues and resentment.
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300167]I'll give you a particular case. A true one, actually.[/QUOTE]
that doesn't mean anything
and it's a story that has absolutely nothing to do with anything, you don't know what happened to him after schooling, you don't know what happened to him in his private life, in fact you just made a really dumb assertion about a story that doesn't even sound real let alone coming from a unreliable narrator
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300199]Stop basing your opinion on studies and start thinking on your own.
Also, you didn't answer Skylynx question, which actually takes away any credibility of yours since the answer to his question isn't in one of your studies, I believe.[/QUOTE]
I actually stared at this post for 15 seconds before it was typing; it was so dumb I couldn't think of English words to rebut it.
If you're not going to base your opinion on the most reliable and non-bias sources on the planet, what the hell are you going to base it on?
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300199]Stop basing your opinion on studies and start thinking on your own.
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pffahhah you could make the same argument for the world being flat
i know that doesn't have anything to do with psychology but you sounded pretty sincere when you said something like that
Skylynx' question was pretty stupid btw, it's like asking someone "HAVE YOU EVER INGESTED TOOTSIE ROLLS OR CRACK COCAINE, YES OR NO" and only letting them choose yes or no
[QUOTE=Xolo;27300175]How in god's name is this even kind of relevant wtf[/QUOTE]
From what I'm barley picking up... I think his morale is, "Beat the sense into somthing which doesn't make sense" thats just a long shot guess though.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300243]From what I'm barley picking up... I think his morale is, "Beat the sense into somthing which doesn't make sense" thats just a long shot guess though.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately "beating the sense" into someone doesn't fix the problem, often makes it worse, and causes debilitating psychological issues.
What you "barley" picked up wasn't what the story said, anyway.
[QUOTE=Xolo;27300241]Skylynx' question was pretty stupid btw, it's like asking someone "HAVE YOU EVER INGESTED TOOTSIE ROLLS OR CRACK COCAINE, YES OR NO" and only letting them choose yes or no[/QUOTE]
That's also what your doing aswell. I'm sitting back, and just nuturing my belief that you shouldn't have to really smack your child, but if worse comes to worse what do you do? Lecturing and talking about things generally doesn't solve everything.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300243]From what I'm barley picking up... I think his morale is, "Beat the sense into somthing which doesn't make sense" thats just a long shot guess though.[/QUOTE]
no his morale is it's okay if someone deserves it
but i like how isn't concerned at all about someone who:
"This single hit was enough to put him into KO, and yet he still poured water all over the kid's head and punched him several times after this."
so if the "prick" was bad what about this guy he's punching the shit out of people
and if he was real how much money you wanna bet me that he was physically abused in his own house
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