Father Gives His Nephew An Old School Azz Whoopin For Acting Hard On Facebook On Facebook
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This is supposed to be a debate, though you don't give any argument, you just spit out some studies and use it as your own argument, calling everyone who doesn't read or care about these morons.
Start giving actual arguments and just stop putting some random studies that are all saying the same stuff.
[QUOTE=Xolo;27300254]Unfortunately "beating the sense" into someone doesn't fix the problem, often makes it worse, and causes debilitating psychological issues.
What you "barley" picked up wasn't what the story said, anyway.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, long shot guess. I've seen similar things happen when I was in school. People would act like hardshits to everyone, and when they ended up having someone lay them down (be it lecturing or just simply beating the shit out of them) they would finally get the point.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300259]That's also what your doing aswell. I'm sitting back, and just nuturing my belief that you shouldn't have to really smack your child, but if worse comes to worse what do you do? Lecturing and talking about things generally doesn't solve everything.[/QUOTE]
What? That's not what I'm doing at all. I presented 10+ peer-reviewed psychology and child-rearing studies saying beating kids causes them to be fucked up and intensifies the behavior they were beaten for. You're putting your fingers in your ears and going "YA BUT ITS MY OPINION PLS RESPECT"
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300259] Lecturing and talking about things generally doesn't solve everything.[/QUOTE]
if lecturing and talking about things doesn't help the child he obviously has issues
please go to a developmental psychologist and ask what you should do, if you live by that dumb creed you're gonna be a shitty parent
[QUOTE=thisispain;27300262]no his morale is it's okay if someone deserves it
but i like how isn't concerned at all about someone who:
"This single hit was enough to put him into KO, and yet he still poured water all over the kid's head and punched him several times after this."
so if the "prick" was bad what about this guy he's punching the shit out of people
and if he was real how much money you wanna bet me that he was physically abused in his own house[/QUOTE]
That's truly not relevant... It's probally more on the line of someone finally taking enough bullshit from someone before they finally snap like a twig.
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300263]This is supposed to be a debate, though you don't give any argument, you just spit out some studies and use it as your own argument, calling everyone who doesn't read or care about these morons.
Start giving actual arguments and just stop putting some random studies that are all saying the same stuff.[/QUOTE]
We gave our arguments with the studies: "Beating kids makes the problem worse and damages them mentally, here's the best sources you can find to back us up -links-"
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300263]This is supposed to be a debate, though you don't give any argument, you just spit out some studies and use it as your own argument, calling everyone who doesn't read or care about these morons.
Start giving actual arguments and just stop putting some random studies that are all saying the same stuff.[/QUOTE]
xolo gave you an argument, physical punishment hurts childeren, and then he posted a study to back it up
now you've resorted to a fallacy in such a pathetic way i don't even know how to react
[QUOTE=thisispain;27300279]if lecturing and talking about things doesn't help the child he obviously has issues
please go to a developmental psychologist and ask what you should do, if you live by that dumb creed you're gonna be a shitty parent[/QUOTE]I live by no creed I'm only saying sometimes things generally don't work always as planned.
I don't understand how you can still think beating children is OK when presented with this much evidence to the contrary.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300281]That's truly not relevant... It's probally more on the line of someone finally taking enough bullshit from someone before they finally snap like a twig.[/QUOTE]
what if he has a though boss later on in his life, is he gonna beat the shit out of the boss too
that's not very good parenting now is it, the goal is to not have your childeren snap like a twig
[QUOTE=thisispain;27300289]xolo gave you an argument, physical punishment hurts childeren, and then he posted a study to back it up
now you've resorted to a fallacy in such a pathetic way i don't even know how to react[/QUOTE]
Every time I look at a post of his it's so wrong I can't reply in coherent words ugh
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300295]I live by no creed I'm only saying sometimes things generally don't work always as planned.[/QUOTE]
your creed is if things don't go as planned hit it
or at least that's what your asserting you cannot possibly be surprised that i find that dumb
[QUOTE=thisispain;27300262]And if he was real how much money you wanna bet me that he was physically abused in his own house[/QUOTE]
He wasn't. I've met his familly at some meeting about gifted children, and they are just some unefficient parents who believe doing absolutely nothing (in their case, not even talking to the child and learn him what is good or bad, which as you say is the best way to raise a normal child, and I support that) and giving him everything he wants is the best way to raise a child because he will have no frustration of any kind.
And the guy who beat the kid up just had enough of him. His goal was to teach him a good lesson, and that's why he kept hitting him after the knockout.
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300318]He wasn't. I've met his familly at some meeting about gifted children, and they are just some unefficient parents who believe doing absolutely nothing (in their case, not even talking to the child and learn him what is good or bad, which as you say is the best way to raise a normal child, and I support that) and giving him everything he wants is the best way to raise a child because he will have no frustration of any kind.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to take your word for it but regardless that's one example and fades into the statistics
[QUOTE=Xolo;27300275]What? That's not what I'm doing at all. I presented 10+ peer-reviewed psychology and child-rearing studies saying beating kids causes them to be fucked up and intensifies the behavior they were beaten for. You're putting your fingers in your ears and going "YA BUT ITS MY OPINION PLS RESPECT"[/QUOTE]
I don't wish for you to respect my oppinion nor do I wish to respect yours. I can't really even open any of those PDF's on those sites (I've tried on two different browsers)... Here how about we just cool off, and ask nicely. Will you please find me a site that will load or find me a link to a study which isn't based on a PDF file?
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300318]He wasn't. I've met his familly at some meeting about gifted children, and they are just some unefficient parents who believe doing absolutely nothing (in their case, not even talking to the child and learn him what is good or bad, which as you say is the best way to raise a normal child, and I support that) and giving him everything he wants is the best way to raise a child because he will have no frustration of any kind.[/QUOTE]
ok i meant the older kid that beat the other kid up (this is fucking confusing) and i don't see how that relates to anything
okay so they are shitty parents so what
you really think this kid is gonna become an upstanding citizen because he was beat up pfhahah
i've gotten beat up before and as you can read from my posts it did nothing for my attitude
[QUOTE=thisispain;27300308]your creed is if things don't go as planned hit it
or at least that's what your asserting you cannot possibly be surprised that i find that dumb[/QUOTE]Not at all. If nothing goes as planned be ready to make your plan more flexiable, and attempt to resolve the situation before it becomes something of greater consequences.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300328]I don't wish for you to respect my oppinion nor do I wish to respect yours. I can't really even open any of those PDF's on those sites (I've tried on two different browsers)... Here how about we just cool off, and ask nicely. Will you please find me a site that will load or find me a link to a study which isn't based on a PDF file?[/QUOTE]
There's lots of them, go to page 1 or search on your state's scholarly paper search engine (should be like tennessee.gov for example and under the links area)
[QUOTE=Xolo;27300323]I'm not going to take your word for it but regardless that's one example and fades into the statistics[/QUOTE]
This isn't the only "king child" existing on earth that finished his reign with some stranger beating the shit out of it.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300340]Not at all. If nothing goes as planned be ready to make your plan more flexiable, and attempt to resolve the situation before it becomes something of greater consequences.[/QUOTE]
How the hell does that support beating your children, as you've mentioned you support?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300328]I don't wish for you to respect my oppinion nor do I wish to respect yours. I can't really even open any of those PDF's on those sites (I've tried on two different browsers)... Here how about we just cool off, and ask nicely. Will you please find me a site that will load or find me a link to a study which isn't based on a PDF file?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300345]This isn't the only "king child" existing on earth that finished his reign with some stranger beating the shit out of it.[/QUOTE]
Irrelevant, and I love that you refer to a human as "it"
[QUOTE=thisispain;27300301]what if he has a though boss later on in his life, is he gonna beat the shit out of the boss too
that's not very good parenting now is it, the goal is to not have your childeren snap like a twig[/QUOTE]
Not at all. That I can fully agree with though. That's the point where the child would of needed to learn or be taught how to cope with people who infuriate them.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;27300360]Not at all. That I can fully agree with though. That's the point where the child would of needed to learn or be taught how to cope with people who infuriate them.[/QUOTE]
if he was an "older kid" then he probably didn't learn well now did he
and that's exactly the same path that the poor guy in the video is going on
as if anyone on facepunch should criticize a guy for acting tough, as if none of us act tough
i'm not christian, but let he without sin cast the first stone
[QUOTE=Xolo;27300350]How the hell does that support beating your children, as you've mentioned you support?[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of G.W Bush. You know, "if you are not with us, you are against us".
NOT being against occasional spanking doesn't make you a child abuse fellow supporter.
It just looks like you based your whole opinion and arguments on who the "opponent" appears to be.
From all the arguments said that you tried to "counter", you never got a single post right, always made some stupid speculations about the poster's beliefs, and criticized him on what you thought was his character, just letting the argument itself rot in some dark corner.
Just for example, someone says "he deserved it", you answer "What ?! you are for child abuse ? you moron you shouldn't think this you are stupid [add link to study here]"
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300384]
NOT being against occasional spanking doesn't make you a child abuse fellow supporter.[/QUOTE]
being for child abuse is not being for child abuse?
do you understand that there's no distinction in a person's mind when it comes to abuse right? there's no way a person can compare abuse and any kind of physical abuse has the same effects on a person.
and certainly the video is evidence of a lot more than occasional spanking
[QUOTE=thisispain;27300404]being for child abuse is not being for child abuse?[/QUOTE]
Here we go, you get another post wrong.
My point is, if you are not against child abuse, it doesn't mean you necessarily are for it.
And I don't see how the video is a proof of more spanking. It's his Nephew, so he probably doesn't spank him every time. Plus, he really look pissed, like someone who lost his last quarter of patience, which involves as well not doing anything to the child and just interiorly rage about him until you actually go mad and hit him.
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300468]Here we go, you get another post wrong.
My point is, if you are not against child abuse, it doesn't mean you necessarily are for it.[/QUOTE]
If you're for spanking (you guys arguing with us have made it very vocal you are) you're for a form of child abuse. Is it that difficult to understand?
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;27300468]
My point is, if you are not against child abuse, it doesn't mean you necessarily are for it.
[/QUOTE]
well if you aren't for it, you sure are convincing me that you are for it
[QUOTE=Xolo;27300499]If you're for spanking (you guys arguing with us have made it very vocal you are) you're for a form of child abuse. Is it that difficult to understand?[/QUOTE]
Except that I am not (and the other guys are probably not either) for spanking. That's another thing you got wrong.
You are just misreading posts/trying to find a second sense to posts. These are just opinions, stop trying to find lifestyles and creeds in these, and also stop thinking your opinion is the best just because you some psychologists wrote what you think are the absolute truth.
These psychologists might be the most intelligent and logical (wo)men in the world, they probably got a decent education and weren't selfish pricks or born in a ghetto, thinking they are some sort of gangstas or whatever. Don't forget they are generalizing and theorizing, not taking care of individual cases and the changes of mind from one human being to another. They often base on the worst possible case.
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