Fitness guy rants and partly tells the truth about fat people - General

to be fair being a total fucking neurotic who gets moved to furore by complete strangers' obesity can also cause heart disease

I have seen how two obese parents and their fat as fuck son went to fast food chain and just ordered lots of shit, I was disgusted.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;48286483]You also have to consider that it's expensive to be healthy too. Frozen foods, canned stuff, the microwaveable goods, fast food and some restaurants go very cheap and are more convenient. You're in a poor household and you can only afford takeout or have to resort to buying in bulk, low-quality end foods at the market, you're going to have a bad diet. Have a low-paying job, can't afford that much groceries besides canned food and have to take trips to Mickey D's every other day? Sometimes it's very difficult to stay healthy where you do not have the income to sustain that lifestyle.[/QUOTE] No it's really not. Fruit, vegetables and cooking ingredients are way way cheaper.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;48285764]in many overweight people the need and desire to eat is often overwhelming and compuslive - [B]overeating is not done consciously,[/B] it's something that people like me naturally go back to [/QUOTE] That's pretty obvious. To avoid over-eating you must be conscious of what and how much you're eating versus how much you exercise. Many people stay unconscious of this but it's through sheer ignorance more than anything else. [QUOTE=BrickInHead;48285764] being as fit as possible but feeling like shit about yourself is less healthy than being chubby and happy.[/QUOTE] And what proportion of people who are fat v people who are fit do you think feel shit about themselves? Does it not occur to you that improving your physical condition can improve your mental condition? [editline]25th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;48286342]"Fitness Motivator" Right... [editline]24th July 2015[/editline] I mean obesity is an actual problem, but yelling at people aint helpin.[/QUOTE] As someone who trains people to become fit and is fit, would you not find it frustrating that there are so many people who constantly deny themselves good health?

These people who act like fitness is everything annoy me.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;48286483]You also have to consider that it's expensive to be healthy too. Frozen foods, canned stuff, the microwaveable goods, fast food and some restaurants go very cheap and are more convenient. You're in a poor household and you can only afford takeout or have to resort to buying in bulk, low-quality end foods at the market, you're going to have a bad diet. Have a low-paying job, can't afford that much groceries besides canned food and have to take trips to Mickey D's every other day? Sometimes it's very difficult to stay healthy where you do not have the income to sustain that lifestyle.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Killuah;48286698]No it's really not. Fruit, vegetables and cooking ingredients are way way cheaper.[/QUOTE] the idea behind this is correct but the execution is incorrect. raw foods like meats, vegetables, etc are actually quite a bit cheaper than fast food or garbage bought from the grocery store. i mean a meal for 2 at mcdonalds or burger king can run 15-20 bucks. it's not the price of the food that's the big factor, it's the [I]time[/I] and the [I]setup [/I]cost. the reason that obesity is correlated with the poor (and urban poor) is that many poor people don't have access to the facilities (aka kitchens) that are well equipped enough to actually cook a proper meal. lots of low income apartments in New York don't have much more than a microwave and a fridge. even those that do have enough money for something like a stovetop / oven usually have a very small one, alongside a very, very restrictive set of culinary tools. but the biggest thing is the time. many poor people work >60 hours per week before their commute (which in American cities can take 1-2hours if they're riding public transit like buses etc), and will have little time to sleep let alone prepare a meal. a proper healthy meal to cook will take around an hour minimum to cook and clean - that's a lot of effort for people who have never really known what it's like to have fresh cooked food. recognize that the poor generally grow up poor - so they grew up eating processed foods. it's far [I]easier[/I] for them to just pop into a mcdonalds and grab a couple burgers off the value menu before they head home than to go through the time to learn how to cook fresh foods in a way that will make them taste good, go through the time to go purchase food at a grocery store, plan, prepare, cook, and clean up the meal. why do that when you can just throw the paper wrappers into the garbage? tldr: no, fresh food isn't more expensive than fast and processed foods - but it requires far, far, far more time, knowledge, and energy which many poor people simply don't have.

[QUOTE=Killuah;48286698]No it's really not. Fruit, vegetables and cooking ingredients are way way cheaper.[/QUOTE] Not to mention nobody says you have to gorge yourself at McDonald's. People like to say "well it's expensive to eat healthy food." You know what's not expensive? Eating less.

[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;48286818]That's pretty obvious. To avoid over-eating you must be conscious of what and how much you're eating versus how much you exercise. Many people stay unconscious of this but it's through sheer ignorance more than anything else. And what proportion of people who are fat v people who are fit do you think feel shit about themselves? Does it not occur to you that improving your physical condition can improve your mental condition[/QUOTE] i know for a fact that being thin helps your mental condition - i've experienced it. when i'm heavy i constantly beat myself up, am extremely stressed, etc. when i was thin I feel confident and elated. the idea is that in order to actually get healthy physically, it's helpful to be healthy emotionally. ask anyone with clinical depression - a poor mental state is the absolute killer when it comes to motivation. people who feel like there's no point, or who feel like shit about themselves, are far less likely to make themselves feel better and more likely to just wallow in it. that lack of motivation isn't the cause, it's a symptom of something deeper. these anti-fat shaming campaigns that are about appreciating your body and having a positive body image do good things in that vein - the more self confident people are about themselves, the more likely they are to be both emotionally and physically healthy. body positivity as a concept helps reframe the way that fat people view themselves - don't let anyone fool you, most fat people are [I]not happy[/I] being overweight - it's just that they're not able to see how they can make themselves better, because society tells them to be ashamed of themselves which just reinforces their habits

Dude is COMPLETELY correct on the fact that if youre a parent and creating an environment that breeds obesity in your children, you are setting them up for failure and for a shitty time in life.

You know one problem I have is eating when I am bored or otherwise grazing. I'm a bit of a viking fridge raider too.

i bet he paid the gold price for those tattoos [QUOTE=KorJax;48285674]Insulting anyone for their lifestyle as long as it isn't harming anyone else is pretty stupid IMO[/QUOTE] obesity costs all of us more than any other vice fucking ridiculous that you all get on high horses about second hand smoke or whatever but this is ok because the risks and costs are less obvious?

People really do need to be more responsible for how they look after their bodies but there needs to be change in other aspects of society to help people do that. For example, all the misinformation about fats and carbs. I dunno why but it's like 'the thing' for products to be advertised as '99.9% fat free!' like wtf? Fats are good for you (especially unsaturated fats), fats are essential. Anecdotal but I've known people who avoid peanut butter because it is 50% fat despite it being mostly unsaturated fat. And it's a real shame because peanut butter is loaded with protein and is in general an excellent source of clean energy. It seems that people look at a product advertised as low-fat and think 'hmmm it doesn't have much fat in it, maybe if I have this I won't put on fat' which is completely bullshit because it still has heaps of calories which ARE what make you fat. And so you get fast food chains like Subway which capitalise on that bullshit. And then there's the issue of carbs where people think all carbs are bad. Which is absolute bullshit too, because things like sweet potato, wholemeal bread and oats are some of the healthiest, and cheapest things, you can get at a supermarket. So then people fall for the low/zero carb bullshit diets, they deprive themselves of extremely healthy and nutritious complex carbs, which means they have to make up for energy with fats, which isn't entirely bad except carbs are a good source of energy and it means they are most likely increasing their proportion of saturated/trains fat consumed. Obviously simple carbs like sugar are shit that should be minimised. And then finally it's just the point of portion sizes. Eating fats don't necessarily make you fat, and eating carbs don't necessarily make you fat. Eating more than your body needs make you fat. A big problem I reckon is you see things like bags of lollies, blocks of chocolate and packets of chips which are fucking huge, and it's obviously going to be hard for someone to think 'hmmm I'll have a quarter of this now' because they are so tasty, so they end up eating the whole pack right there and then. It's like how energy drinks are unnecessarily sold in 500mL cans instead of 375mL cans like soft drinks.

I'm a 10% BFP twig, if it weren't for my fast metabolism I'd probably be a whale because my diet is shit. Thin =/= fit.

The bottom line of all this: trying to redefine what it means to be healthy/attractive in a way that includes fat people is 1) a doomed effort. You can not contravene instinct in this way. Maybe if you achieve a dictatorial position you can make people pretend, but no one is actually going to think fat = beauty aside from a few fetishists. Humans aren't programmed to be attracted to unhealth. 2) harmful to fat people. Fat people are seriously endangering themselves and should not be told that it's healthy, attractive, etc. to be fat.

I think the change needed is a societal change, at work there's always someone eating/drinking. Be it from the lunch vans delivering food services, vending machines, fruit baskets, cups of tea/coffee - I mean there's often food being sold for charity as well, people offer food on their birthdays even food being handed out for free by the company for a job well done. The only option most people have in response to this ridiculous availability of food is to avoid temptation by refusing any food offers. To avoid tea/coffee you have to refuse offers up to 3-8 times a day. People can also get pissy if you don't offer food for your birthday so it's a vicious cycle where only your willpower and self-discipline will let you avoid over-eating.

[QUOTE=KorJax;48285674]Insulting anyone for their lifestyle as long as it isn't harming anyone else is pretty stupid IMO[/QUOTE] it is harming everyone through increased medical costs.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;48287141]the idea behind this is correct but the execution is incorrect. raw foods like meats, vegetables, etc are actually quite a bit cheaper than fast food or garbage bought from the grocery store. i mean a meal for 2 at mcdonalds or burger king can run 15-20 bucks. it's not the price of the food that's the big factor, it's the [I]time[/I] and the [I]setup [/I]cost. the reason that obesity is correlated with the poor (and urban poor) is that many poor people don't have access to the facilities (aka kitchens) that are well equipped enough to actually cook a proper meal. lots of low income apartments in New York don't have much more than a microwave and a fridge. even those that do have enough money for something like a stovetop / oven usually have a very small one, alongside a very, very restrictive set of culinary tools. but the biggest thing is the time. many poor people work >60 hours per week before their commute (which in American cities can take 1-2hours if they're riding public transit like buses etc), and will have little time to sleep let alone prepare a meal. a proper healthy meal to cook will take around an hour minimum to cook and clean - that's a lot of effort for people who have never really known what it's like to have fresh cooked food. recognize that the poor generally grow up poor - so they grew up eating processed foods. it's far [I]easier[/I] for them to just pop into a mcdonalds and grab a couple burgers off the value menu before they head home than to go through the time to learn how to cook fresh foods in a way that will make them taste good, go through the time to go purchase food at a grocery store, plan, prepare, cook, and clean up the meal. why do that when you can just throw the paper wrappers into the garbage? tldr: no, fresh food isn't more expensive than fast and processed foods - but it requires far, far, far more time, knowledge, and energy which many poor people simply don't have.[/QUOTE] Yes and that's why it's so wrong to say "it's just cheaper to eat unhealthy" Besides that, most processed food still needs some kind of kitchen. I don't think people with obesity problems go to a fast food joint 24/7. Most healthy stuff doesn't even need to be cooked. The point is time and when the point is time the point is always also willingess. Historically our society works less than ever. Working hours have been constantly going down in the last century. Obesity has been going up. It may be a matter of "not enough time to cook" but that percentage is so so so incredibly low...

[QUOTE=Killuah;48290077]Yes and that's why it's so wrong to say "it's just cheaper to eat unhealthy" Besides that, most processed food still needs some kind of kitchen. I don't think people with obesity problems go to a fast food joint 24/7.[/quote] it's not really incorrect, it's just not a complete answer. american processed foods [I]are[/I] cheaper than healthy ones. a box of mac and cheese which can feed 4 people if they're eating proper portion sizes (or 2 if they're not) [url=http://www.walmart.com/ip/Kraft-Macaroni-Cheese-Pack-of-Five/14869676]costs less than a dollar per box[/url] and requires little beyond a pot and a colander. ramen costs 50 cents a package and is cooked in the microwave and takes 3-4 minutes. canned soup is a buck. boxed meals often cost only a few dollars. it takes a relative amount of culinary knowledge on how to make fresh food taste good in comparison to processed foods - processed foods are literally designed to be high in fats and sugars, both of which are highly sought after by kids. lots of parents want their kids to be happy, and so will feed them what tastes good. they certainly can make fresh food that tastes good, but it takes more time energy knowledge tools and effort than many of them have. [quote]Most healthy stuff doesn't even need to be cooked. The point is time and when the point is time the point is always also willingess. Historically our society works less than ever. Working hours have been constantly going down in the last century. Obesity has been going up. It may be a matter of "not enough time to cook" but that percentage is so so so incredibly low...[/QUOTE] healthy sources of protein need to be cooked. and the point is time / time is willingness thing is fair but completely hides the point that the demographic we're talking about likely grew up in a situation where they simply weren't exposed to healthy eating habits or proper food production. it's very easy for people who grew up in an environment which features healthy food and properly made food to judge for people who grew up eating processed. but those people have a series of privileges and experiences that those who grew up with processed simply don't. it's hard to tell someone that they should do this that and the other thing if growing up it literally didn't exist in their world. and working hours have been decreasing, certainly, but the jobs have been changing as well. the reason that for centuries our work hours have decreased is that people have moved from agriculture towards industry - which divorces us further from our food

[QUOTE=Pikablu07;48286211]in that case you'd be providing genuine help instead of publically humiliating them[/QUOTE] Uhmmmm. Don't know how you got that out of my post but ok. [QUOTE=Pythagoras64;48286323]If someone I know and love has a genuine problem with food and fitness, and is in a situation they don't want to be in, then I'll help, but I'm not going to pretend I know what's best for everyone. Some people want long healthy lives, others want risky and exciting, but inevitably short lives, and I just don't see one being a more valid way to live than the other.[/QUOTE] Very true.

I was expecting to see some dumb douche trying to feel better about himself but everything he says is spot on and his video might actually motivate someone to start making better choices in life.

I think home cooked meals are cheaper than fast food/processed foods. I can usually make a meal for under $20 bucks for four people. The most expensive part is the meat. Side dishes and vegies are really cheap. The difference is home cooked meals take a bit of planning, skill, and more time to prepare rather than quick and easy process meals. I mean considering if you eat out at a fast food place you are going to spend $6-7 for a meal. At a nicer restaurant usually $10-13 per person. Eating healthy isn't as expensive as everyone always tries to make it out to be, it just requires more work and most people are too lazy.

I basically agree with everything he has said I have had the same attitude for the past 3 years or so. Not a masterpiece of fitness myself, but I started going on 1-2 hour walks about 3-4 times a week, now I am slowly progressing myself to jog as long as I can in that same distance, and then walk and catch my breath, and then jog again. I kind of have a bad problem with stopping my habits once some shit comes up, but I am promising myself once I get over this small life bump im going over right now I am going to get back into working on my good health habits. It's not really a mood thing its more of a time allocation thing.

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[QUOTE=nox;48288808]I'm a 10% BFP twig, if it weren't for my fast metabolism I'd probably be a whale because my diet is shit. Thin =/= fit.[/QUOTE] This is true, but I imagine being a twig is still a lot more comfortable than being fat. And not as unhealthy. I want to lose weight not just because of the aesthetic value of being thinner, but more because I fucking hate how uncomfortable having that fat around the upper legs, stomach, titties is. I mean I don't know what it's like to be TRULY obese, but the fact that when I go on long walks my legs rub together so much that I get a rash really makes me realize I need to lose a lot of weight.

[QUOTE=BenJammin';48293160]This is true, but I imagine being a twig is still a lot more comfortable than being fat. And not as unhealthy. I want to lose weight not just because of the aesthetic value of being thinner, but more because I fucking hate how uncomfortable having that fat around the upper legs, stomach, titties is. I mean I don't know what it's like to be TRULY obese, but the fact that when I go on long walks my legs rub together so much that I get a rash really makes me realize I need to lose a lot of weight.[/QUOTE] skinnyfat is 500x worse than regular fat because at least regular fat people have muscle under their flab

[QUOTE=butre;48293252]skinnyfat is 500x worse than regular fat because at least regular fat people have muscle under their flab[/QUOTE] I didn't realize there were so many different definitions of fat. I think it all just depends on what you do with your time, if you have a job that involves a lot of physical labor but you don't look necessarily fit then you probably have a good amount of muscle and strength under the fat. I have been doing a lot of furniture lifting recently, so I think I am getting a lot more of that kind of fat. But I couldn't really give two shits about my strength, the most important thing to me is getting better cardio and getting a better diet. Especially with my family's long line of death due to heart disease and heart failure. I don't really know what skinny fat means, like you mean you are just flabby without doing a lot of physical activity?

[QUOTE=BenJammin';48293393]I didn't realize there were so many different definitions of fat. I think it all just depends on what you do with your time, if you have a job that involves a lot of physical labor but you don't look necessarily fit then you probably have a good amount of muscle and strength under the fat. I have been doing a lot of furniture lifting recently, so I think I am getting a lot more of that kind of fat. But I couldn't really give two shits about my strength, the most important thing to me is getting better cardio and getting a better diet. Especially with my family's long line of death due to heart disease and heart failure. I don't really know what skinny fat means, like you mean you are just flabby without doing a lot of physical activity?[/QUOTE] this used to get reposted a lot on 4chan's fitness board, it's a pretty handy guide [thumb]http://imgkk.com/i/uy3l.jpg[/thumb]

[QUOTE=SweetTea;48293125]i can smell high levels of testosterone[/QUOTE] Having high T levels isn't a bad thing though. Especially for someone who does a lot of working out. Also high T levels do not make a person an asshole. That's more of a personality thing. He's not even being impulsive. He is blunt, but he is spot on for the most part.

[QUOTE=butre;48293252]skinnyfat is 500x worse than regular fat because at least regular fat people have muscle under their flab[/QUOTE] How does that make it 500x worse? And no fat people do not necessarily have muscle under their fat.

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