Fitness guy rants and partly tells the truth about fat people - General

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48295523]How does that make it 500x worse? And no fat people do not necessarily have muscle under their fat.[/QUOTE] if you're fat and have no muscle underneath it's because you haven't moved in 15 years

See kids, this is what I call cringe.

I agree with what this man's saying, but I can't seem to bring myself to exercise or anything. Fuck, it hurts for me to stand and I'm not obese. 6'1" and about 210lbs I'd say. When I was young I got scared because the doctors told me that if I performed any overly strenuous action, my joints could break. Like from then on, a slap to that joint could dislocate it. Now my joints are messy, thumbs that can bend 90 degrees back, an elbow that gets like [url=http://i.imgur.com/WKIn5OU.jpg]this[/url] when I extend my arm out. I got hyperextension, loose ligaments, and the dyspraxia in my brain's making me put too much force on shit that can't really take it. I can exercise. I can walk for a good while, but you'd get knifed in my neighbourhood. I have an exercise bike 'round back but I can manage barely anything on it. I got heart palpitations too. Family thing. That puts a lil' scare into me too. And pretty much all my close family is overweight. I don't like these sxcuses of mine. I feel like they are the bullshit excuses everyone else uses. But when I get up on a morning and the joints in my body click and ache, I can't help but get depressed about it all.

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;48292235]Uhmmmm. Don't know how you got that out of my post but ok.[/QUOTE] i got it out of the thread as a whole

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;48287141]the idea behind this is correct but the execution is incorrect. raw foods like meats, vegetables, etc are actually quite a bit cheaper than fast food or garbage bought from the grocery store. i mean a meal for 2 at mcdonalds or burger king can run 15-20 bucks. it's not the price of the food that's the big factor, it's the [I]time[/I] and the [I]setup [/I]cost. the reason that obesity is correlated with the poor (and urban poor) is that many poor people don't have access to the facilities (aka kitchens) that are well equipped enough to actually cook a proper meal. lots of low income apartments in New York don't have much more than a microwave and a fridge. even those that do have enough money for something like a stovetop / oven usually have a very small one, alongside a very, very restrictive set of culinary tools. but the biggest thing is the time. many poor people work >60 hours per week before their commute (which in American cities can take 1-2hours if they're riding public transit like buses etc), and will have little time to sleep let alone prepare a meal. a proper healthy meal to cook will take around an hour minimum to cook and clean - that's a lot of effort for people who have never really known what it's like to have fresh cooked food. recognize that the poor generally grow up poor - so they grew up eating processed foods. it's far [I]easier[/I] for them to just pop into a mcdonalds and grab a couple burgers off the value menu before they head home than to go through the time to learn how to cook fresh foods in a way that will make them taste good, go through the time to go purchase food at a grocery store, plan, prepare, cook, and clean up the meal. why do that when you can just throw the paper wrappers into the garbage? tldr: no, fresh food isn't more expensive than fast and processed foods - but it requires far, far, far more time, knowledge, and energy which many poor people simply don't have.[/QUOTE] Good thinking. It's an all-around bad situation because with fast food you're paying the extra for workers to prepare and serve you the food, and recieve a lower quality food product.

I should have reworded that poorer people do not have time to prepare foods and are more likely prone to resort to convenient methods. Also, get more of SSG's Alpha [url]https://www.facebook.com/gruntstyle/videos/1095491043811986/[/url]

completely agree with the video its fucking disgusting that we've let obesity become this big of an epidemic. fat parents who pass their dirty habits down to their kids seriously need to take a long hard look at how they're fucking their kids up

i do agree with every point he's made in the video, but i'm not entirely convinced he addresses the core underlying issue of a rather large proportion of obesity problems(mostly wealth & career based). this might seem somewhat shocking, but usually if you're able to eat healthily and exercise regularly, it's likely because you have a combination of wealth, education, and time that allow you to do so. if you were born in a poor neighborhood, received sub-par education from crap public schools, and spend +50 hours a week working to make ends meet, eating healthily is probably the last thing on your mind when you're struggling to make sure you can get out your rent check by the end of the month. i'm not saying there's any excuse for fat parents to raise their kids to be obese and suffer horrible heart problems by the time they're 28, but you shouldn't be so quick to stomp on overweight people and point fingers and call them lazy. often times there's some underlying cause they couldn't help with and ended up stuck in a cycle as such. (though if you're wealthy, educated, and overweight, i have no sympathies.)

[QUOTE=aznz888;48307565]i do agree with every point he's made in the video, but i'm not entirely convinced he addresses the core underlying issue of a rather large proportion of obesity problems(mostly wealth & career based). this might seem somewhat shocking, but usually if you're able to eat healthily and exercise regularly, it's likely because you have a combination of wealth, education, and time that allow you to do so. if you were born in a poor neighborhood, received sub-par education from crap public schools, and spend +50 hours a week working to make ends meet, eating healthily is probably the last thing on your mind when you're struggling to make sure you can get out your rent check by the end of the month. [/QUOTE] That excuse goes out the window when you are morbidly obese. Healthy food or not makes little difference if you are eating three times as much as you should be.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;48287141]the idea behind this is correct but the execution is incorrect. raw foods like meats, vegetables, etc are actually quite a bit cheaper than fast food or garbage bought from the grocery store. i mean a meal for 2 at mcdonalds or burger king can run 15-20 bucks. it's not the price of the food that's the big factor, it's the [I]time[/I] and the [I]setup [/I]cost. the reason that obesity is correlated with the poor (and urban poor) is that many poor people don't have access to the facilities (aka kitchens) that are well equipped enough to actually cook a proper meal. lots of low income apartments in New York don't have much more than a microwave and a fridge. even those that do have enough money for something like a stovetop / oven usually have a very small one, alongside a very, very restrictive set of culinary tools. but the biggest thing is the time. many poor people work >60 hours per week before their commute (which in American cities can take 1-2hours if they're riding public transit like buses etc), and will have little time to sleep let alone prepare a meal. a proper healthy meal to cook will take around an hour minimum to cook and clean - that's a lot of effort for people who have never really known what it's like to have fresh cooked food. recognize that the poor generally grow up poor - so they grew up eating processed foods. it's far [I]easier[/I] for them to just pop into a mcdonalds and grab a couple burgers off the value menu before they head home than to go through the time to learn how to cook fresh foods in a way that will make them taste good, go through the time to go purchase food at a grocery store, plan, prepare, cook, and clean up the meal. why do that when you can just throw the paper wrappers into the garbage? tldr: no, fresh food isn't more expensive than fast and processed foods - but it requires far, far, far more time, knowledge, and energy which many poor people simply don't have.[/QUOTE] To provide a counter point, entire cookbooks exist dedicated to slow cookers. Entire meals can be prepared in a counter top slow cooker (with occasional help from a microwave to bloom some stuff on the side), and can just be left on while you go to work. You throw shit in in the morning and come back to an amazing smelling apartment and you have delicious meals. If you have a large crockpot you can then just put leftovers in the fridge and now you have all sorts of meals. Make some chili? Add a fried egg from the hot plate or microwave and you have breakfast. Put that on a tortilla and you have lunch. Then just soak the liner overnight and rinse it out and it's clean again. Cheap, simple, easy.

Frankly, sugar is a root cause of a lot of issues. Its not a silver bullet, but its a major issue. Every... Loaf... of bread in the usual supermarket has more sugar than even fiber in it. It tastes awful [if you've not had it in a while] and acts like a plain tasting candy bar. Processed food is essentially addictive, and leads to what we have today. An example: At one supermarket I had to go to for a while, the only loaf of bread that had recognizable and simple ingredients was locally made white rye. The white bread, frankly was probably healthier than every other option there. This is the problem. Even the conception of CAL IN > OUT is slightly misguided. There is a 20% allowed difference between actual contents and posted, and the thermal effect of food dictates that just digesting some foods [usually whole ones] takes energy itself. The best thing, in my opinion, is not complete fixation of "WATCH THE CALS WATCH THE CALS WATCH THE CALS" but better habits. [good example: Wheat pasta over white, more protein and fiber, 85 or 90% lean beef instead of 75-80 for burgers]

[QUOTE=Zakkin;48295840]I agree with what this man's saying, but I can't seem to bring myself to exercise or anything. Fuck, it hurts for me to stand and I'm not obese. 6'1" and about 210lbs I'd say. When I was young I got scared because the doctors told me that if I performed any overly strenuous action, my joints could break. Like from then on, a slap to that joint could dislocate it. Now my joints are messy, thumbs that can bend 90 degrees back, an elbow that gets like [URL="http://i.imgur.com/WKIn5OU.jpg"]this[/URL] when I extend my arm out. I got hyperextension, loose ligaments, and the dyspraxia in my brain's making me put too much force on shit that can't really take it. I can exercise. I can walk for a good while, but you'd get knifed in my neighbourhood. I have an exercise bike 'round back but I can manage barely anything on it. I got heart palpitations too. Family thing. That puts a lil' scare into me too. And pretty much all my close family is overweight. I don't like these sxcuses of mine. I feel like they are the bullshit excuses everyone else uses. But when I get up on a morning and the joints in my body click and ache, I can't help but get depressed about it all.[/QUOTE] A couple of months ago, back in December, I was 210lb and 6'2". Didn't exercise for shit, but managed to hit 175 in June. Exercise is only useful for gaining muscle; but burning fat can be done simply through maintaining a low calorie diet. (I personally went 1250cal) If you put the effort into it, you can probably maintain a healthy weight. It's difficult at first, but the end-product is incredibly worth it.

[QUOTE=Monkah;48307732]A couple of months ago, back in December, I was 210lb and 6'2". Didn't exercise for shit, but managed to hit 175 in June. Exercise is only useful for gaining muscle; but burning fat can be done simply through maintaining a low calorie diet. (I personally went 1250cal)[/QUOTE] Exercise is useful for general health, not just gaining muscle.

If you see a smoking parent smoking around their kid you think "Wow, what a gross asshole." The same can be said about these kind of parents.

[QUOTE=unrezt;48307662]That excuse goes out the window when you are morbidly obese. Healthy food or not makes little difference if you are eating three times as much as you should be.[/QUOTE] True, that's just horrible horrible discipline and a lack of nutritional education.