[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8WPyC48uX8[/media]
The artistic genius of a generation.
I really like this one [video=youtube;Th56Xg6OE5s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th56Xg6OE5s[/video]
This guy's quite the nihilist.
[QUOTE=Darth_Toast;49671579]I really like this one [video=youtube;Th56Xg6OE5s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th56Xg6OE5s[/video][/QUOTE]
the more I listen to these the more I realize I never thought I'd sit and enjoy the sound of electrojazzy 90's infotainment music
[QUOTE=Drury;49671067]The USA-nuking-japan-to-see-if-nukes-work joke was a bit eh though. Would work much better if it was closer to truth.[/QUOTE]
Well I mean china didn't call Japan "dipshit" but I'd expect people to figure out what's the general history and what might be a joke
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;49671740]Well I mean china didn't call Japan "dipshit" but I'd expect people to figure out what's the general history and what might be a joke[/QUOTE]
The japanese did take from chinese culture and call their country nihon so all is good there.
Besides there's a bit of a difference between that joke and a joke about nuking people but wfejnerolkemweinfpe
I was worried about the nuke bit but he handled it well IMHO. The dramatic silence after he points out two were dropped was right for the seriousness of the actual events
[QUOTE=Drury;49671794]Besides there's a bit of a difference between that joke and a joke about nuking people but wfejnerolkemweinfpe[/QUOTE]
I just remembered (Carlos Mencia?) getting a standing ovation in his old stand-up special when he talked about how the plane we sent to drop the bomb on Hiroshima was the Anola Gaye, "so they'd know how fucked in the ass they were"
I'm still bewildered by a lot of our culture's insensitivity to how severe that situation was.
Also on that point, someone disputed the "but the US wanted to see if they worked anyways" bit, but wasn't there some recent documentation released or otherwise huge conspiracy nonsense about how the general knew full well the targets were primarily civilian population centers and despite japan basically raising the white flag he decided he still wanted a massive show of force to let some other countries know we don't fuck around
[QUOTE=dai;49671865]I just remembered (Carlos Mencia?) getting a standing ovation in his old stand-up special when he talked about how the plane we sent to drop the bomb on Hiroshima was the Anola Gaye, "so they'd know how fucked in the ass they were"
I'm still bewildered by a lot of our culture's insensitivity to how severe that situation was.
Also on that point, someone disputed the "but the US wanted to see if they worked anyways" bit, but wasn't there some recent documentation released or otherwise huge conspiracy nonsense about how the general knew full well the targets were primarily civilian population centers and despite japan basically raising the white flag he decided he still wanted a massive show of force to let some other countries know we don't fuck around[/QUOTE]
Now I see why people don't like Carlos. That's fucking terrible
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;49671882]Now I see why people don't like Carlos. That's fucking terrible[/QUOTE]
found it
[url]http://www.cc.com/video-clips/y3m1v9/carlos-mencia--no-strings-attached-my-people-are-crazy[/url]
his whole schtick was always "flagrant post-9/11 racism but he's not white and just said we're all united as racial stereotypes against the bad racial stereotype so it's ok"
[QUOTE=dai;49671865][B]Also on that point, someone disputed the "but the US wanted to see if they worked anyways" bit, but wasn't there some recent documentation released or otherwise huge conspiracy nonsense about how the general knew full well the targets were primarily civilian population centers and despite japan basically raising the white flag he decided he still wanted a massive show of force to let some other countries know we don't fuck around[/B][/QUOTE]
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen for a variety of reason. The most notable being they were both heavily important military centers, they were in mostly open terrain, weather conditions were good, buildings were mostly wooden, the city was concentrated, [B]and the populations weren't extreme.[/B]
Both cities had about a quarter million people a piece. Yeah, thats still a shitton, but compare that to the populations of Tokyo, Kyoto, and Osaka. They [I]could[/I] have bombed those cities, but they didn't.
In any case, Japan had hardly surrendered at that point. They were in "Do or Die" mode literally until the Emperor of Japan surveyed the damage after bomb #2 and said "we have to stop". He got on the radio and [I]begged[/I] the country to surrender, the first time he had ever spoken over the radio to the country ever.
[QUOTE=vamper;49666137]So yeah that Austin Shannon guy proceeded to yell at people for not looking at his link of which he did not post, then screams at people for attacking him then spams this. [video=youtube;w4njQCK6XFM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4njQCK6XFM[/video][/QUOTE]
"medical intuitive"
[editline]4th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;49673185]Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen for a variety of reason. The most notable being they were both heavily important military centers, they were in mostly open terrain, weather conditions were good, buildings were mostly wooden, the city was concentrated, [B]and the populations weren't extreme.[/B]
Both cities had about a quarter million people a piece. Yeah, thats still a shitton, but compare that to the populations of Tokyo, Kyoto, and Osaka. They [I]could[/I] have bombed those cities, but they didn't.
In any case, Japan had hardly surrendered at that point. They were in "Do or Die" mode literally until the Emperor of Japan surveyed the damage after bomb #2 and said "we have to stop". He got on the radio and [I]begged[/I] the country to surrender, the first time he had ever spoken over the radio to the country ever.[/QUOTE]
He was also almost assassinated when the generals' Chief of Staff found he meant to surrender.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%ABj%C5%8D_incident[/url]
[video=youtube;XnTaqBnNLUU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTaqBnNLUU[/video]
Two curious facts about the atomic bombings:
1) Some people were exposed to both bombs, but [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi"]only one man[/URL] was officially recognized by the Japanese government as being a survivor of both bombs. He lived to age 93.
2) Trains were running in Hiroshima the day after the bomb (which is how Yamaguchi got to Nagasaki in time to get bombed again)!
His Wikipedia article claims that he was explaining the bombing to his boss, who didn't believe him, when the second bomb went off 3km away.
[QUOTE=Stimich;49669790]Do it. My mom absolutely loved this.[/QUOTE]
Same, my mom actually loved it, I wasn't expecting her to even like it.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49673282][video=youtube;XnTaqBnNLUU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTaqBnNLUU[/video]
Two curious facts about the atomic bombings:
1) Some people were exposed to both bombs, but [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi"]only one man[/URL] was officially recognized by the Japanese government as being a survivor of both bombs. He lived to age 93.
2) Trains were running in Hiroshima the day after the bomb (which is how Yamaguchi got to Nagasaki in time to get bombed again)!
His Wikipedia article claims that he was explaining the bombing to his boss, who didn't believe him, when the second bomb went off 3km away.[/QUOTE]
Makes me wonder.. Why didn't Japan surrender immediately after Hiroshima? Or did information just travel too slowly and they didn't have time to react?
I should mention that this man is like a living embodiment of Kid Pix and various PBS Kids shows.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49673209]he was like dave chappelle except he didn't understand why dave was funny[/QUOTE]
Dave Chappelle was a god.
[QUOTE=MILKE;49671233]Holy fuck 1.8million views in 1 day[/QUOTE]
this guy deserves 100% of it though
[QUOTE=Buck.;49673334]Makes me wonder.. Why didn't Japan surrender immediately after Hiroshima? Or did information just travel too slowly and they didn't have time to react?[/QUOTE]
A few things contributed to it:
1. Japan did not want to surrender unconditionally like the US was forcing them to and wanted to preserve everything they had without war crime punishments
2. Japan took the massive explosion as a rumor at first and didn't handle it as urgently as they could
3. Their generals believed that the US could not possibly have that many atomic bombs and that they could weather the rest of the bombings out
4. The Soviets were still neutral due to a pact signed after the Soviet-Japanese war and did not pose a threat to them... Until they started to move on Manchuria in after the first bombing
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;49671856]I was worried about the nuke bit but he handled it well IMHO. The dramatic silence after he points out two were dropped was right for the seriousness of the actual events[/QUOTE]
It was handled pretty well, but I'm still a bit disappointed he went with the "we nuked em just to see if they worked" idea. It doesn't work as well as a joke when you know how many people think that's how it actually happened.
If it had been me, I would have gone with something like
"And America took back the islands but the Japanese fought really really hard for the islands and America was worried the Japanese would fight really really really REALLY hard for Japan and so they used their really powerful bomb.
And then they used it again.
And they were going to do it a third time and a fourth time but Japan was like 'okay fine we surrender already' because they were tired of getting nuked and also the Russians were starting to be scary again"
Which still isn't perfectly accurate but it at least avoids feeding the common misconceptions just to make a joke work.
[editline]4th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=lilguy;49673787]A few things contributed to it:
1. Japan did not want to surrender unconditionally like the US was forcing them to and wanted to preserve everything they had without war crime punishments
2. Japan took the massive explosion as a rumor at first and didn't handle it as urgently as they could
3. Their generals believed that the US could not possibly have that many atomic bombs and that they could weather the rest of the bombings out
4. The Soviets were still neutral due to a pact signed after the Soviet-Japanese war and did not pose a threat to them... Until they started to move on Manchuria in after the first bombing[/QUOTE]
Point #3 is probably the most important one.
Emperor Hirohito was really not in control of the Japanese military, even before WW2 (which, as seen in the video, isn't all that unusual a condition for Japan's government to be in). He wasn't ignorant of what the military was doing, and he was nominally in charge, but he was fed a lot of blatantly false information, and left a lot of decisions up to the generals (which, to be fair, is not a bad idea in principle). They didn't even inform him of many things - I seem to recall they only told him about their invasion of Manchuria after the fact, but some quick fact-checking was inconclusive so that specific fact may be incorrect.
In any case, the military was not expecting the Emperor to intervene and force them to surrender. It was rather unprecedented behavior of him. The generals were also not going to surrender on their own accord.
All of this was pretty well-known to the US intelligence agencies. The order was never "nuke them once, see if they surrender". The order was "nuke them as fast as we can build nukes". A third bomb was being assembled for use when the surrender happened - that's how little we were expecting a surrender.
We actually didn't think *any* number of bombings could force a capitulation. The conventional bombing of Tokyo was more deadly than Hiroshima or Nagasaki, and we saw no sign of surrender after that. In fact, in preparation for an invasion, the US minted millions of Purple Heart medals - which we've been using ever since. That medal hasn't needed to be minted since, despite all the wars we've been in.
The Soviet invasion of Manchuria was also a very large factor, larger than most people realize. The Soviet army at that particular moment in time was nigh unstoppable. Japan was already failing to defeat the US - defeating both the two most powerful militaries on the planet was completely impossible.
oh woops, silly me
oh woops, silly me
[QUOTE=Trixil;49674674]it's really surprising how friendly japan is with the U.S., considering they are the first and only country that has ever had atomic bombs detonated during war and those atomic bombs were detonated by the U.S.. even more so after you are reminded about japan's pearl harbor attach, one of the largest scars left on the U.S..[/QUOTE]
They made it the last major point in the video that the US rebuilt them to the point where they were upgraded to a major 1st world country. how did you miss that?
[QUOTE=Trixil;49674674]it's really surprising how friendly japan is with the U.S., considering they are the first and only country that has ever had atomic bombs detonated during war and those atomic bombs were detonated by the U.S.. even more so after you are reminded about japan's pearl harbor attach, one of the largest scars left on the U.S..[/QUOTE]
The reconstruction efforts during and after the occupation helped, and when Japan's tech industry took off, America was in full-on consumerism mode, leading to becoming a valuable trade partner (buying lots of Japan's shit).
Japan's good relationship with America is very much the result of application of the lessons learned from the aftermath of WW1; reparations left Germany's economy crushed and austere (sound worryingly familiar?) and German citizens felt taken advantage of; someone played on this wounded national pride to great effect. If America had been "Good, you surrendered, now disarm the fuck up and lick your wounds," Japan would've been vengeful and likely resumed military hostilities eventually, especially as the Korean and Vietnam wars heated up the area.
[sp]The 1991 Gulf War is America FORGETTING the lessons of WW1 and just bombing the shit out of Iraq's infrastructure and leaving the people to ruined poverty after having armed Saddam in the first place. OH NO we have to invade again just over a decade later WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT[/sp]
[QUOTE=gman003-main;49674366]
We actually didn't think *any* number of bombings could force a capitulation. The conventional bombing of Tokyo was more deadly than Hiroshima or Nagasaki, and we saw no sign of surrender after that. In fact, in preparation for an invasion, the US minted millions of Purple Heart medals - which we've been using ever since. That medal hasn't needed to be minted since, despite all the wars we've been in.
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japan is some scary shit yo
[QUOTE=OvB;49673498]Dave Chappelle was a god.[/QUOTE]
CUNNALINGUS RICE CHINGCHANGCHONG CAN'T UNNASTAND YOU WHITEPOWER
It's a shame he couldn't handle his staff turning into money grubbing cunts. What might have been.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49674762]The reconstruction efforts during and after the occupation helped, and when Japan's tech industry took off, America was in full-on consumerism mode, leading to becoming a valuable trade partner (buying lots of Japan's shit).
Japan's good relationship with America is very much the result of application of the lessons learned from the aftermath of WW1; reparations left Germany's economy crushed and austere (sound worryingly familiar?) and German citizens felt taken advantage of; someone played on this wounded national pride to great effect. If America had been "Good, you surrendered, now disarm the fuck up and lick your wounds," Japan would've been vengeful and likely resumed military hostilities eventually, especially as the Korean and Vietnam wars heated up the area.
[sp]The 1991 Gulf War is America FORGETTING the lessons of WW1 and just bombing the shit out of Iraq's infrastructure and leaving the people to ruined poverty after having armed Saddam in the first place. OH NO we have to invade again just over a decade later WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT[/sp][/QUOTE]
It's not America forgetting the lessons, more like America not wanting to put the resources in to make that happen because like the bag of dicks we are right now, it would cost too much.
Why couldn't history class at school be like this, i'd have learned a shit load more, and been interested the entire lesson.
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