[QUOTE=bearwolf;40037462]I genuinely wanted to know the reason he was speaking of, and I don't think you understand what arguing is because of you actually read my comment I wasn't remotely arguing.[/QUOTE]
He's doing it to prove that anyone with a 3D printer will be able to do it in the future. It's a warning.
[QUOTE=Clavus;40037465]How much progress does there have to be made in the 3D printing tech to make an actual functional up-to-specs gun? From what I gathered, the lower receiver is the easiest part. Gun barrels require much more strong, durable and precise construction. How precise are printers now and how precise do they have to become before it becomes an issue?
[editline]25th March 2013[/editline]
What I expect, is that once the law catches up with the tech, they'll ban certain 3D printer specs or materials instead of design files. Plenty of other hardware around with law-imposed restrictions so it's not unthinkable.[/QUOTE]
I doubt there'd be a ban so much as just a heavy price for specialty equipment, possibly just from [i]being specialty equipment[/i], not because of its potential use. I don't care how far the tech goes, home printers aren't going to be producing something so powerful you could print the major portions of these kinds of things.
As this demonstrates though, you CAN modify existing weapons, create clips as big as you want, whatever. The problem here is way they're presenting this, like the ability to make a piece somehow 'opens up the discussion on how we view the laws' is like saying the fact that counterfeit money can be printed using special equipment/processes should open up legality to print whatever you want. It can still be illegal to posess and use certain things, it's just easier to obtain- provided you have access to proper equipment.
That IS still an issue, the whole "oh no bad people can still do bad things while us [i]law abiding citizens[/i]* have everything taken away" argument. Does that mean we should stop caring and greenlight everybody to do something just because it's hard to regulate? Fuck no. If there's a flaw in the system, that doesn't suddenly give you the right to exploit it. Exploitation and pushing stupid boundaries "just because" are what give politicians reasons to impose stupid regulations on things they aren't informed about.
another note, the little $100 tabletop hobbyist makerbot doesn't count for a 'cheap solution', stuff like that is inaccurate and brittle. You'd need good density to ensure parts don't fall apart at the seams the instant you fire off a round.
*every time I've heard someone describe themselves as a "law abiding citizen" or start a sentence with "I pay my taxes", I seriously can't take them seriously because I only ever hear it followed by some stupid out-there conspiracy/racism/bigoted commentary. Not every time, but jesus it's such an abused descriptor. It even gets to me if the person appends a normal statement with "trust me"
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;40036903]yeah, I lost it at the whole "they're pseudo liberal-comi-globalists"[/QUOTE]
Sounded about right to me, the race was framed as a clash of ideologies when Obama and Romney are both globalist neoliberals.
[QUOTE=CapsAdmin;40038184]He's doing it to prove that anyone with a 3D printer will be able to do it in the future. It's a warning.[/QUOTE]
Anyone with metal tubing can make a gun
[video=youtube;n1wV3lmbSv4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wV3lmbSv4[/video]
Even though the whole documentary was a bit overdramatic, I like his last statement.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;40040417]Anyone with metal tubing can make a gun
[video=youtube;n1wV3lmbSv4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wV3lmbSv4[/video][/QUOTE]
Ban metal tubes.
[QUOTE=Clavus;40037465]How much progress does there have to be made in the 3D printing tech to make an actual functional up-to-specs gun? From what I gathered, the lower receiver is the easiest part. Gun barrels require much more strong, durable and precise construction. How precise are printers now and how precise do they have to become before it becomes an issue?
[editline]25th March 2013[/editline]
What I expect, is that once the law catches up with the tech, they'll ban certain 3D printer specs or materials instead of design files. Plenty of other hardware around with law-imposed restrictions so it's not unthinkable.[/QUOTE]
The thing that is important about the lower receiver is that it is the only part of a gun that is considered a "gun" in the law (at least for the US). Therefore its the only part that requires registration.
Also I doubt banning certain 3d printers or materials will actually do much as the technology for 3d printing gets more sophisticated.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;40040417]Anyone with metal tubing can make a gun
[video=youtube;n1wV3lmbSv4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wV3lmbSv4[/video][/QUOTE]
If you are in a country where ammunition is also heavily regulated you're out of luck.
3D print bullets.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;40036788]Cool stuff, but I don't really like how VICE tried to demonize printing polymer lowers by playing eerie music and starting off with newtown at the beginning of the video.[/QUOTE]
I think you're reading a bit too much into it mate.
So basically all they need is the perfect materials for creating the parts, and then the durability of these guns will become a non-issue. Well, as much of an issue as it is with current "traditional" firearms.
Right now it seems to be plastic, or hardened plastic, but who says you can't eventually print something more metal-like, something as strong?
You can actually print aluminum. The problem is that it's extremely expensive and not very refined yet. People that are getting worked up about this issue are worked up over nothing. 3-D printing is actually fairly expensive, it would be much more expensive for you to print a gun, vs. just going down to your nearest ghetto and buying one off the streets. That one would even work better.
When can we print fleshlights that are useable after 600 times?
[QUOTE=mac338;40043350]I think you're reading a bit too much into it mate.[/QUOTE]
Lol no. You can (or at least I can, in my opnion) [b][i]clearly[/i][/b] tell they're editorializing this story by the choice of music, and overall tone. It's grim.
Like, there's no way they're saying "Aw yeah look at this shit bro suhweeeet dude!" because they'd be playing some upbeat vintage rock music like in Pawn Stars or something. But instead it's some morbid, ominous stuff.
Of course my opinion on the matter is "I have no idea how I feel about this" because I love guns but hate gun violence.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;40043613]So basically all they need is the perfect materials for creating the parts, and then the durability of these guns will become a non-issue. Well, as much of an issue as it is with current "traditional" firearms.
Right now it seems to be plastic, or hardened plastic, but who says you can't eventually print something more metal-like, something as strong?[/QUOTE]
I still see bolt, chamber and barrel as major issues. I don't think anyone has made a successful barrel for a modern firearm that's cast and not milled. This is even weaker than casting.
Even though this is in a very early stage of development, looking at this guy's intentions is pretty disturbing. Of course, a twelve year old can't print a plastic lower receiver and kill someone - but the eventual possibilities from such (amazing) technology are seemingly endless, given time and refinement.
Well yeah, you could always make a gun yourself - but thinking ahead maybe half a century where a piece of machinery could manufacture aluminium parts is scary. So far the only reasoning I'm getting out of this is "because freedom". And that doesn't cut it. It nods at a fair statement against gun control, but I still don't see any sense in it.
I honestly don't care if they regulate the piss out of guns so long as they're still available through some legitimate means.
I LOVE GUNS!!!!
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I like how a comparatively expensive 3d printed firearm part causes such a shit stir just cause it's a fuckin firearm part.
What the fuck does this guy even do? Deal cocaine over the internet? He has at least $20k worth of machinery, not to mention land/warehouse and electricity used to run that shit for so long. Fuck even materials would be top grade strong stuff you'd use in a car.
You know I'm willing to bet he just being one cool dude and indirectly saying he's so rich he's gonna print a proper working gun. Even drives around talking shit in his beamer just to stuff it in the film crew's face. Then he'll laugh it up and be like y'all suckers got played, you be too poor to even afford a plastic gun.
I tend to agree with the anonymous guy when they were showing it being fired, a firearm is no more than a tool.
[editline]26th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=kidkiller745;40043803]When can we print fleshlights that are useable after 600 times?[/QUOTE]
Those use soft latex right? don't think it's possible to print that, would be easier to mold or CNC it.
[editline]26th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeneros;40042909]If you are in a country where ammunition is also heavily regulated you're out of luck.[/QUOTE]
which is why shotgun shells are amazing, you can easily mod the payload to be pretty much anything you want, you can get some real damage out of even cheap stuff like birdshot by doing simple things.
[QUOTE=s0m3_guy;40045144]I like how a comparatively expensive 3d printed firearm part causes such a shit stir just cause it's a fuckin firearm part.
What the fuck does this guy even do? Deal cocaine over the internet? He has at least $20k worth of machinery, not to mention land/warehouse and electricity used to run that shit for so long. Fuck even materials would be top grade strong stuff you'd use in a car.
You know I'm willing to bet he just being one cool dude and indirectly saying he's so rich he's gonna print a proper working gun. Even drives around talking shit in his beamer just to stuff it in the film crew's face. Then he'll laugh it up and be like y'all suckers got played, you be too poor to even afford a plastic gun.[/QUOTE]
I can't understand what point you're making.
Yeah yeah that's cool and all but can you print a fleshlight ?
[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;40045242]Yeah yeah that's cool and all but can you print a fleshlight ?[/QUOTE]
0/10 did not read thread
[QUOTE=mac338;40043350]I think you're reading a bit too much into it mate.[/QUOTE]
you can't really call them unbiased when they start right off the bat with sandy hook and the type of music they were playing. It's not like they haven't done this in the past, go look at their video about guns in Florida. When they went to make a private sale, they made it in the most scary location possible. Late at night, middle of a vacant parking lot. They tried to make it seem like the dood buying the gun was actually at risk. Was so silly.
[QUOTE=Biscuit-Boy;40045238]I can't understand what point you're making.[/QUOTE]
aw no too many points made, information overload
tldr cause people cbf to extrapolate their own ideas
1. why the fuck does anyone care for such a ridiculously expensive gun part
2. where the fuck does this guy get his money to run this shit, ie: $20k printer, $50-$100k warehouse+electrictiy
3. even when he does succeed, who the hell will dispose that much income to print a gun
[QUOTE=Biscuit-Boy;40043805]Lol no. You can (or at least I can, in my opnion) [b][i]clearly[/i][/b] tell they're editorializing this story by the choice of music, and overall tone. It's grim.
Like, there's no way they're saying "Aw yeah look at this shit bro suhweeeet dude!" because they'd be playing some upbeat vintage rock music like in Pawn Stars or something. But instead it's some morbid, ominous stuff.
Of course my opinion on the matter is "I have no idea how I feel about this" because I love guns but hate gun violence.[/QUOTE]
It is definitely made to sound scary or unnerving.
[QUOTE=s0m3_guy;40045427]aw no too many points made, information overload
tldr cause people cbf to extrapolate their own ideas
1. why the fuck does anyone care for such a ridiculously expensive gun part
2. where the fuck does this guy get his money to run this shit, ie: $20k printer, $50-$100k warehouse+electrictiy
3. even when he does succeed, who the hell will dispose that much income to print a gun[/QUOTE]
No, it's not because you made too many points. It's because you type like a drunkard and you're going off on some weird, grammatically abhorrent tangent about finances. Also you're basically wrong (and quite an ass, too) because it sure as hell wasn't cheap to own a computer thirty years ago and you certainly can't buy a netbook for $200 today with a thousand times more power than the first computer ever built now can you?
[QUOTE=Talkbox;40044951]I LOVE GUNS!!!!
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[B][I][U]hardcore[/U][/I][/B]
[QUOTE=s0m3_guy;40045144]I like how a comparatively expensive 3d printed firearm part causes such a shit stir just cause it's a fuckin firearm part.
What the fuck does this guy even do? Deal cocaine over the internet? He has at least $20k worth of machinery, not to mention land/warehouse and electricity used to run that shit for so long. Fuck even materials would be top grade strong stuff you'd use in a car.
You know I'm willing to bet he just being one cool dude and indirectly saying he's so rich he's gonna print a proper working gun. Even drives around talking shit in his beamer just to stuff it in the film crew's face. Then he'll laugh it up and be like y'all suckers got played, you be too poor to even afford a plastic gun.[/QUOTE]
Back in the 80s paper printers were all extremely expensive, generally at a price for $3500-$5000 for a printer that we would probably now consider a desktop printer. Also there were a lot more types of printers that were in the tens of thousands of dollars range.
Now we have printers that are available in the couple hundred dollar range that are more powerful than the printers 30 years ago.
As long as there is a drive to innovate 3d printing, the technology behind it will become cheaper and stronger.
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