AK47 Open Carry: Stopped by the Cops - General

Don't worry guys, hes not trying to bait police officers or anything, hes just carrying an AK47 on his back for personal protection!

[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;35086043]All this arguing aside, I kinda thought here, that what's the point of having an open carry law if it's just going to scare people and makes the person carrying it look like a complete asshole who doesn't care about people around him? Similar to the point of having free speech if people just think you're an asshole for walking around with a sign saying something vulgar. It's not illegal, and it doesn't mean you're not allowed to do it. When people don't agree with what someone is doing it doesn't make it impermissible. It might not make it right, but that's missing the point. In a way, it's not entirely his fault that people have a preconceived notation of what they think someone walking around with a firearm would do, perhaps because of their own ignorance. It's hard for me to say if he lacks empathy here. I think the issue here is people misunderstand the point of living in a country where people can legally do things that others may be uncomfortable with. If this is too big of a problem for most people, then make it illegal. Simple. In Switerzland people do this all the time, but it must be justified. It has to be a direct transport, such as, "for courses or exercises hosted by marksmanship, hunting or military organisations, to an army warehouse and back, to and from a holder of a valid arms trade permit, to and from a specific event, i.e. gun shows." People walk into stores with assault rifles all the time, and people aren't afraid because it's so common. Now obviously there is no justification for this, and yes I do agree there is no point in carrying his AK to his wife's work, and I could see why people would react a certain way towards it. Especially since he's walking with it in a public area without much of a purpose other than to express his right. Given the context of the situation, I'm in the middle of the fence with this one when factoring in both legal and moral aspects.[/QUOTE] To add to what thisispain said (lower incentives to commit crime, because anyone you do crime against can theoretically have a gun to fight back with) its also intended to be a failsafe. Should the current governing body be deemed unacceptable or corrupt, the 2nd Admendment (right to bear arms) was put in place. In other words, to make it so home-grown revolution could happen and make it so it would be hard to stop rebellion if you were the government (because rebels could have easy access to guns). In a way, this helps enforce checks & balances (which the american political system adopts), where the government must be accountable for it's people, and if it fails to do so to the point of revolution, it would be hard for the government to stop it.

Too bad some rookie cop unfamiliar with the law didn't show up and taze him. :v:

[QUOTE=faze;35084994]He's making a point.[/QUOTE] I kinda agree with you, but he is being a prick about it.

might as well carry an RPG and say "I dont give a fuck if people duck for cover while I take a walk in the park.. its my legal right!" i realize RPGs aren't legal the way pistols/rifles are, but still.. Why carry an AK-47? The cops are probably tired of checking out the calls made on the same "douchebag who insists on open carrying his AK-47"

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35087096]I kinda agree with you, but he is being a prick about it.[/QUOTE] But what point did he want to make? That carrying a AK-47 in public is going to attract police?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;35087179]But what point did he want to make? That carrying a AK-47 in public is going to attract police?[/QUOTE] Exactly, I could understand if he was using a pistol for it and was trying to see if the cops overreacted, but it's hard to overreact to someone carrying a FUCKING ASSAULT RIFLE on their back walking down the street.

This isn't a question of whether he can carry it, but whether he should carry it. Typically people don't use military assault rifles to defend themselves on the street...

There should be restrictions on what you are allowed to open carry. Seriously, there is 100% no justifiable reason as to why you should be allowed to open carry any sort of assault rifle. TBH, if it isn't a handgun you shouldn't be open carrying it.

I kind of lost a lot of respect for him when he said that people who are too afraid to open carry their guns outside are bitches and should "cut off their balls" and "wear pink clothing". That's just proves he's an asshole, even if I agree about being able to open carry if the state allows it.

Guy's an ass but he's dead right.

[QUOTE=faze;35085197]If he's exercising his right, fuck the people getting nervous. People get nervous over anything.[/QUOTE] Faze, are you really that thick man? People get nervous about guns because of shit exactly like this. I'm a huge pro-gun advocate and I promote gun safety, i educate people on the subject and debate on topics a lot with other people. Just because you can do it does not mean you should. I live in texas, i can open carry but does it mean i should? No, other people have rights as well. The right to feel safe, etc. I'm not going to put people in to a panic because I want to exercise my right. There is no reason to exercise it, no one is taking away that right or long-rifles. The only reason to do is it be an arrogant jackass who wants attention. The law isn't a moral compass (most of the time). Just because it is legal does not mean it is right. Just like because it is illegal does not mean it is wrong. Pro-gun control nuts love this shit and will use him as the poster boy for their ideas. You have to be ultra self centered and stupid to say what you're saying man. Think about it, Christ sake. What reason is there to open carry a rifle, specially if you already have a CHL? [editline]11th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=TheTalon;35085686]Probable Cause is what police need to do anything, when it comes to dealing with people. From traffic stops, to questioning people standing on the side of the street. If there isn't any probable cause (And just about anything can be to be honest) then they can't do anything. It doesn't just pertain to making an arrest, or searching people. It's why if you watch Cops or shit like that, and they want to pull someone over, they might have to tail them a while to get probable cause, or until they find something. Such as something hanging from your rear view mirror, to not stopping FULLY at a stop sign. They still need it Hell, if there's probable cause to pull someone over, for speeding or something, and you want to search the car, they either need to give you permission, or you have to have it to search the car also, and if they find a locked suitcase in the trunk, they can't open it unless given permission from the driver, or they have PC for that also. At least in Nashville. It's a bit different everywhere[/QUOTE] You realize probable cause is kinda like good faith right. Later on they will have to write a report or statement justifying why they used PC. All PC is for is to save patrol officers the time and head ache of getting a written warrants every time they do something. You may have a gut feeling the person you pulled over is a convicted felon with a gun and drugs but if you have no good reason or PC you can't do shit about it. You could even act on that feeling (bad idea imo) and find out your feeling was right. But it does not mean shit without a PC. Basically you have to think "will this hold up in court." because if it does not, anything obtained from a shitty PC is going to be tossed out.

I was going to make a long winded posts about how this is dumb, but this thread is just a cesspool of arguments. Most of which seemed flawed and biased so, tally ho gents! Best of luck in your endeavors here.

People like this is why i would HATE to be a cop. Cops have to deal with hobos jacking off on street corners and douches with ak47s on their fucking backs.

[QUOTE=nixxez;35089182]People like this is why i would HATE to be a cop. Cops have to deal with [B]hobos jacking off on street corners[/B] and douches with ak47s on their fucking backs.[/QUOTE] woah woah woah how did you know about that why you watching me

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;35085423]in theory but in reality, people get shot (surprise) and as a police officer it's their job to make sure the public is safe, and they have to be cautious to make sure of that a police officer isn't allowed to assume anything, they can only act on what they know, and what they know is that there's a man walking down the street with a gun[/QUOTE] people get shot by people. by your logic the police should be harassing everyone who is physically capable of shooting someone. Open carry is useless in times of peace. If you're doing it for self defense it just turns you into the first target, and if you do it to look like a badass then you probably shouldn't be carrying anyway. I'm an advocate of closed carry but I can't say this guy was in the right for pissing around with a (semi?)automatic weapon just for pissing off the cops.

don't worry just exercising my rights as a free american. [img]http://www.fastrackonline.net/flags/images.1/LargeUSFlag.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35089356]people get shot by people. by your logic the police should be harassing everyone who is physically capable of shooting someone. Open carry is useless in times of peace. If you're doing it for self defense it just turns you into the first target, and if you do it to look like a badass then you probably shouldn't be carrying anyway. I'm an advocate of closed carry but I can't say this guy was in the right for pissing around with a (semi?)automatic weapon just for pissing off the cops.[/QUOTE] oh fuck off, nowhere in that post did i say that "the police should be harassing everyone who is physically capable of shooting someone." guns tend to shoot things sometimes in the hands of an unstable person, those things may be people how do you expect the cops to know he isn't balls to the walls crazy? cops are not allowed to assume, they must act on what they know

Why the fuck would you even want to be carrying a gun around unless you suffer from severe paranoia, let along a bloody ASSAULT RIFLE Jesus fuck, this man needs some psychiatric help

[QUOTE=Red scout?;35090305]Why the fuck would you even want to be carrying a gun around unless you suffer from severe paranoia, let along a bloody ASSAULT RIFLE Jesus fuck, this man needs some psychiatric help[/QUOTE] Theres nothing wrong with carrying a gun around for self protection, in fact I highly support it. But carrying a AK-47 around is going to be highly unpractical for self defense situations you are likely to run into.

What an attention whore.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;35091071]Theres nothing wrong with carrying a gun around for self protection, in fact I highly support it. But carrying a AK-47 around is going to be highly unpractical for self defense situations you are likely to run into.[/QUOTE] Dude, a gun? That's taking it too far unless you live in somalia or some shithole where you are at risk of being mugged 24/7 If I saw any civillian carrying a gun around here I would crap my pants and run like fuck.

Even if he was open carrying a assault rifle, and someone SAW him, and were DETERMINED to do something? They could kill him easily. He's a fucking idiot trying to prove a point by being a BIG MAN with a weapon on his back.

[QUOTE=Red scout?;35093026]Dude, a gun? That's taking it too far unless you live in somalia or some shithole where you are at risk of being mugged 24/7 If I saw any civillian carrying a gun around here I would crap my pants and run like fuck.[/QUOTE] Lots if citys in the U.S have bad crime rates in which you do have stand a good chance of getting mugged Carrying a hand gun is a good safety precaution.

Every child knows not to even carry around toy guns in public because it's a touchy subject. Noone can tell who you are and what you intentions are. Cops are right, guy is a hillbilly gun nut. Why would you even need a right to openly carry an AK? In case you need to shoot something? Don't be silly!

[QUOTE=Red scout?;35093026]Dude, a gun? That's taking it too far unless you live in somalia or some shithole where you are at risk of being mugged 24/7 If I saw any civillian carrying a gun around here I would crap my pants and run like fuck.[/QUOTE] Are you kidding? Somalia? Jesus christ. The crime rate in the US especially for muggings is REALLY high, I live in a small city of around 45,000, that's the small end of the bigger cities in the US, and we still have a REALLY high rate for muggings. Cities with over like 30,000 people are almost always shitholes. I mean, look at New York, sure it's an extreme example, but if you live in New York, you're going to get mugged, there's no way around it. If you walk around at night for a week and don't get mugged at least once, you're doing something wrong. If you're honestly saying that you're afraid of someone carrying a pistol around, never move to any city ever, stay in small towns. A ton of people carry concealed weapons, it's really not unusual at all. An AK on the other hand, no reason to have that except to mow down a group of people, which is NOT self defense.

[QUOTE=faze;35085116]The point he's trying to make is my rights as an American are being infringed on daily. Things like this. He is exercising his right to open carry, and he's being challenged on it. Pretty sure cops have better things to do than deal with a guy not doing anything illegal. [editline]10th March 2012[/editline] He's making a documentary in a way. He's not begging for attention... Why would he disable comments on his video if he were begging for attention?[/QUOTE] The police have good reason to stop someone carrying a rifle.

[QUOTE=Scotchair;35085487]Fuck this guy, he does this "because he can" and admittedly puts his rights before other people.[/QUOTE] I'll put MY RIGHTS before other people's FEELINGS on any fucking day of the week. Guns, speech, anything. If you have a problem with that you can fuck right off That guy is not a threat to anyone, is responsible and can open carry as the law says. Everyone has a passion, and his is for guns. You don't have to be a batshit wackjob from the hills of Kentucky to have a hobby. Besides, I think we all know who is the real danger to our society: [IMG]http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/401/cache/gangbangers-and-guns_40168_600x450.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=assholev2;35093857]I'll put MY RIGHTS before other people's FEELINGS on any fucking day of the week. Guns, speech, anything. If you have a problem with that you can fuck right off That guy is not a threat to anyone, is responsible and can open carry as the law says. Everyone has a passion, and his is for guns. You don't have to be a batshit wackjob from the hills of Kentucky to have a hobby. Besides, I think we all know who is the real danger to our society: [IMG]http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/401/cache/gangbangers-and-guns_40168_600x450.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Even if the guy is not a threat to anyone, people won't know that.

[QUOTE=assholev2;35093857]I'll put MY RIGHTS before other people's FEELINGS on any fucking day of the week. Guns, speech, anything. If you have a problem with that you can fuck right off That guy is not a threat to anyone, is responsible and can open carry as the law says. Everyone has a passion, and his is for guns. You don't have to be a batshit wackjob from the hills of Kentucky to have a hobby. Besides, I think we all know who is the real danger to our society: [IMG]http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/401/cache/gangbangers-and-guns_40168_600x450.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Guess what, criminals come in all shapes and sizes. Would you ever suspect these people of having committed crimes: [img]http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/robert%20walters%20mug%20shot%20cropped.JPG[/img][img]http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/files/2011/02/elisa-baker-mugshot.jpg[/img][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Harold_Shipman_mug_shot.jpg[/img] Well guess what, all three of them are murderers. If you saw one of them walking down the street with a slung assault rifle, you wouldn't know what their intentions were. You're saying we shouldn't suspect people walking around with a weapon as deadly as an AK47, even if upon questioning the person may reveal signs that they may not be completely mentally stable?