Guy runs into my car, literally. - General

[QUOTE=Sonador;51964291]You NEVER walk in front of a running vehicle.[/QUOTE] Not even at a crosswalk? Roommate could've slowed down, pedestrian could've looked or crossed somewhere else. I remember walking up to a more serious crash site like this, tho' I think it was at a crosswalk.

[QUOTE=Sonador;51964291]holy cow A) Passing city buses is not illegal. Slowing down is advisable, but not required by law, and that's only because this kind of a thing can happen: brainless pedestrians can just appear from nowhere out of the profile of the bus. It is absolutely not worth obstructing the flow of traffic for it, though. B) You NEVER walk in front of a running vehicle. My dad taught me this when I was 6. A car can't hit you pulling away from the curb if you walk behind it. Furthermore, if you're leaving a city bus and decide to jaywalk, you walk BEHIND the bus where drivers can see you and you can see the drivers. C) This absolute fucking menace [I]sprinted out into oncoming traffic without looking.[/I] Even if the driver was going under the speed limit, there was no way the collision could have been avoided. In fact, if he had been going slower, this would have been a hood strike instead of a mirror clip and would have more likely than not caused severe injury to the pedestrian. Christ almighty, some people are real desperate for zingers.[/QUOTE] I said in other posts that the guy was an idiot, since its already pretty fucking clear he is. I mean if you're sprinting into traffic, you are[I] kind of [/I]asking for it :v: and even you agree that slowing down is advisable. Shouldn't the driver HAVE slowed down, considering the condition? Raining, and the like.

I love how the OP seems to care more about his car than the guy he hit.

Did he told you why he was such in a hurry?

[QUOTE=J!NX;51964055]I'm not saying the drivers the one in the wrong. I'm just saying that a driver can be more cautious in a situation that obviously needs it, like a stopped bus. If you can't see that someone might be coming you have to assume someone is.[/QUOTE] yeah dude but [QUOTE=J!NX;51963974]Are you Agentfazexx's wife or something?[/QUOTE] didn't have to go all nuclear on his ass like that you know

[QUOTE=Drury;51964370]yeah dude but didn't have to go all nuclear on his ass like that you know[/QUOTE] I mean, I'm all tired and pukey so I'll admit that that was a bit too far and quick to jump the gun

[QUOTE=J!NX;51964055]If you can't see that someone might be coming you have to assume someone is.[/QUOTE] This also applies when deciding to run across the street. Look both ways before crossing, you know? The guy was already running before he could even see past the bus. You might be able to argue that the driver could go slower but there would be no issue at all if the pedestrian simply glanced past the bus before starting to run.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51963974]Are you Agentfazexx's wife or something?[/QUOTE] This reminds me, anybody remember that guy who said he likes driving recklessly & speeding in neighborhoods? He had been in accidents as well, and also drives drunk. [editline]edit[/editline] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1489804&p=49378706&viewfull=1#post49378706"]Melnek[/URL]

The music does sync up pretty nicely tho

Bad luck,gl with that mate

This is literally my nightmare scenario. That and someone opening their door into my car as I drive past. I have had actual wake-up-in-a-cold-sweat nightmares of someone dashing out from on front of a bus/truck/whatever before I can stop. I'm glad your car is okay and more importantly I'm glad you have a dash cam and didn't have to fight insurance on this. I have basically zero sympathy for the chucklefuck who ran into your roommate, that was 100% utterly the pedestrian's fault, and if they had gone to insurance, without your dashcam you'd be truly fucked.

[QUOTE=Crimor;51964135]That seems like a really good way to end up under a car :v:[/QUOTE] the irony is [b]I'm[/b] the one who's been hit/run over multiple times, almost all of which through our high school years, and all when I had the actual factual right of way (and once when I was on a sidewalk, followed up by nearly being carved out by a snow plow in the same spot a week later. The gouge from that was in the ground there for [i]years[/i]) the point to bring home is literally everyone is shit about right of way and paying attention

Its totally his fault, I always double check before crossing.

[QUOTE=Talvy;51964403] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1489804&p=49378706&viewfull=1#post49378706"]Melnek[/URL][/QUOTE] This fucking braindead idiot needs prison, oh my god Never allow this man to meet Agentfazexx's wife.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51965309]This fucking braindead idiot needs prison, oh my god Never allow this man to meet Agentfazexx's wife.[/QUOTE] They'd probably elope. and poor Agentfaz would be back on FP mad about how the insurance company fraudsters got his wife stolen from him.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51965309]This fucking braindead idiot needs prison, oh my god Never allow this man to meet[b] Agentfazexx's wife.[/b][/QUOTE] Can you provide a bit of backstory on this one?

Something not quite right about the location that bus is stopped. It's so close to an intersection with another road, it's either broken down (I guess that's why its hazards are on) or it's just a terribly placed bus stop. Given the intersection was coming up and your friend couldn't see it (but presumably knew it was there from driving that road before) he should have slowed down anyway in case a car was coming out. Plus the guy shouldn't have just run out blindly. Lots of blame to go around but road safety is everyone's responsibility

[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;51966393]Can you provide a bit of backstory on this one?[/QUOTE] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1552703&p=51823010&viewfull=1#post51823010[/url] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1553805[/url] kind of didn't fit OP though so my bad on that :v:

Wow this thread kind of got heated over night, so let me explain my opinion on this. While it is advisable to slow down in this situation I can tell you that where I live this is never the case. On the bus it is stated several times to NEVER cross in front of the bus unless you are at a crosswalk (obviously) and I have seen bus drivers yell at anyone who tries. The problem is if people are just allowed to break that rule and get away with it then it will become a real problem. Hopefully everyone on that bus saw what happened and it will keep them from doing the same. At the same time after talking to my roommate he told me that he is always cautious in this scenario and he confirmed that when he went to go pass around the bus he took his foot off the throttle and placed it over the brake with his left foot over the clutch. Exactly as I would in the same situation, the problem with slowing down to a crawl is that it can cause another type of accident. I have seen people get rear ended trying this because there is no law about passing the city bus and so when you have someone slow down in a lane that is moving freely if anyone is distracted there will be that chance of a rear end collision. In this case there is no winning situation, if you slow down to a crawl you might be able to avoid what happened here but it could also cause a rear end collision if someone isn't paying attention, and let's be honest that is more common than we like to think. On the other hand if you don't slow down but remain cautious and alert like he did than you can hopefully react and minimize the damage. There were two things that caused this to not be a full on strike, and that is the small amount of avoidance steering that my roommate was able to accomplish and the fact that the guy twisted himself to the side before the impact somewhat clearing himself from the front of the car. At the end of the day my roommate cannot be blamed for his actions and was actually congratulated on his reaction by the officers at the scene as I'm sure they are glad they didn't have to pick someone's brains off the asphalt at 6 in the morning. The guy disobeyed the most basic rule of the road in that he did not look both ways before attempting to cross the street. On top of the fact that he broke a rule put in place by the public transit authority because a law about passing city buses does not exist. [QUOTE=matt000024;51964332]I love how the OP seems to care more about his car than the guy he hit.[/QUOTE] And yes, I do care more about my car just as the guy who ran into it seemed to care more about himself judging by the fact that he ran away like a coward instead of paying for the damage that he had caused.

Just because you're a pedestrian doesn't absolve you of "Fault".

[QUOTE=Trumple;51966435]Something not quite right about the location that bus is stopped. It's so close to an intersection with another road, it's either broken down (I guess that's why its hazards are on) or it's just a terribly placed bus stop. Given the intersection was coming up and your friend couldn't see it (but presumably knew it was there from driving that road before) he should have slowed down anyway in case a car was coming out. Plus the guy shouldn't have just run out blindly. Lots of blame to go around but road safety is everyone's responsibility[/QUOTE] There is a bus stop there and the bus drivers always throw on their hazards when letting off passengers by policy. [url]https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6861616,-117.3844011,3a,75y,278.16h,73.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-D0L0ZUh46ZFzUWsNqoX2g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1[/url] That is the location of the event, you can see the bus stop on the right side.

In Philly you never ever stop for a bus unless it's a red light, or it's a school bus with the stop sign deployed. The idea that you should stop otherwise is madness to me, you're just gonna cause an accident by stopping on a green light next to a bus.

Dashcams are great. I got one after browsing the FP thread for them. Haven't needed one for an accident or anything yet but I get good shit off them all the time. This happened once. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD1WxntzcBo[/media] But I was paying attention and knew no one was behind me so I threw it in reverse hard and was able to avoid him just backing into me and taking off. The dude was pissed the dude infront of him was taking too long. It kinda sounds like he hit me but I was good.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;51967565]Dashcams are great. I got one after browsing the FP thread for them. Haven't needed one for an accident or anything yet but I get good shit off them all the time. This happened once. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD1WxntzcBo[/media] But I was paying attention and knew no one was behind me so I threw it in reverse hard and was able to avoid him just backing into me and taking off. The dude was pissed the dude infront of him was taking too long. It kinda sounds like he hit me but I was good.[/QUOTE] Yeah I love having it, it is a sure fire way to prove fault in an accident because there is not always gonna be a witness and the video never lies.

[QUOTE=Nazereth666;51966461]Wow this thread kind of got heated over night, so let me explain my opinion on this. While it is advisable to slow down in this situation I can tell you that where I live this is never the case. On the bus it is stated several times to NEVER cross in front of the bus unless you are at a crosswalk (obviously) and I have seen bus drivers yell at anyone who tries. The problem is if people are just allowed to break that rule and get away with it then it will become a real problem. Hopefully everyone on that bus saw what happened and it will keep them from doing the same. At the same time after talking to my roommate he told me that he is always cautious in this scenario and he confirmed that when he went to go pass around the bus he took his foot off the throttle and placed it over the brake with his left foot over the clutch. Exactly as I would in the same situation, the problem with slowing down to a crawl is that it can cause another type of accident. I have seen people get rear ended trying this because there is no law about passing the city bus and so when you have someone slow down in a lane that is moving freely if anyone is distracted there will be that chance of a rear end collision. In this case there is no winning situation, if you slow down to a crawl you might be able to avoid what happened here but it could also cause a rear end collision if someone isn't paying attention, and let's be honest that is more common than we like to think. On the other hand if you don't slow down but remain cautious and alert like he did than you can hopefully react and minimize the damage. There were two things that caused this to not be a full on strike, and that is the small amount of avoidance steering that my roommate was able to accomplish and the fact that the guy twisted himself to the side before the impact somewhat clearing himself from the front of the car. At the end of the day my roommate cannot be blamed for his actions and was actually congratulated on his reaction by the officers at the scene as I'm sure they are glad they didn't have to pick someone's brains off the asphalt at 6 in the morning. The guy disobeyed the most basic rule of the road in that he did not look both ways before attempting to cross the street. On top of the fact that he broke a rule put in place by the public transit authority because a law about passing city buses does not exist. And yes, I do care more about my car just as the guy who ran into it seemed to care more about himself judging by the fact that he ran away like a coward instead of paying for the damage that he had caused.[/QUOTE] But he didn't even slow down at all. It's common practice to slow down at dangerous parts of the road. No one is saying slow down to a crawl, but physics dictate a squared length for every bit of speed.

[QUOTE=SEKCobra;51968272]But he didn't even slow down at all. It's common practice to slow down at dangerous parts of the road. No one is saying slow down to a crawl, but physics dictate a squared length for every bit of speed.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand that this situation isn't viewed as dangerous by 99% of the population here in Washington because there is no law saying you have to. A situation where you should be cautious yes as my roommate was and I described that. You can hear in the video that he had let off the throttle as he passed the bus which is second nature for most people I know. To be prepared in case something happens with his foot on the brake and clutch. I do it all the time such as when I am getting close in an intersection that might turn yellow or in cases like this where I see potential for a problem. But with your statement you act like I should slow down any time I am faced with a blind corner. This is simply not the case here, if I come across a four way intersection with a one way stop sign I am able to go through without slowing down as the rules of the road state that the people going in the direction of the stop sign have to stop for me and proceed when safe. But what if someone ignores the stop sign and rolls through in front of me? There is always that risk. So I should slow down for every intersection where there might be a risk? Every intersection or blind corner is a risk, downtown people park their cars on the side of the road and someone could easily run out in front of me in the same manner, so I should just drive slow everywhere? Now I am only impeding traffic for no reason. Any reduction in speed that would have made this collision avoidable would have brought the car down to a speed where anyone behind him would have to apply their brakes which only clogs up traffic and pisses people off. Now say I am rolling up to this scene and I can see a scuffle happening and and there is a real chance someone could end up in front of me, yeah I slow down. Every stop that bus makes he will pull over, throw on his hazards to let people know he is stopping for a period of time (by law) and then move on. This is every day stuff, it is common knowledge to anyone who rides this system that you never cross in front of the bus. No one slows down when they pass a bus here unless there is a reason to. Maybe where you are from it is common practice to slow down but here it is common practice to not walk into the street without looking both ways.

[QUOTE=SEKCobra;51968272]But he didn't even slow down at all. It's common practice to slow down at dangerous parts of the road. No one is saying slow down to a crawl, but physics dictate a squared length for every bit of speed.[/QUOTE] You're missing the point that it's common practice, but you don't HAVE to. Like, this is an integral part of the whole thing here, you DO NOT have to slow down passing a city bus. And the fact that he was even congratulated by straight up law enforcement instead of reprimanded for not following a common practice (which according to OPs big post, he did) renders this a null point.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;51967565] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD1WxntzcBo[/media] [/QUOTE] Wow what a fucking knob.

[QUOTE=Nazereth666;51968312]I don't think you understand that this situation isn't viewed as dangerous by 99% of the population here in Washington because there is no law saying you have to. A situation where you should be cautious yes as my roommate was and I described that. You can hear in the video that he had let off the throttle as he passed the bus which is second nature for most people I know. To be prepared in case something happens with his foot on the brake and clutch. I do it all the time such as when I am getting close in an intersection that might turn yellow or in cases like this where I see potential for a problem. But with your statement you act like I should slow down any time I am faced with a blind corner. This is simply not the case here, if I come across a four way intersection with a one way stop sign I am able to go through without slowing down as the rules of the road state that the people going in the direction of the stop sign have to stop for me and proceed when safe. But what if someone ignores the stop sign and rolls through in front of me? There is always that risk. So I should slow down for every intersection where there might be a risk? Every intersection or blind corner is a risk, downtown people park their cars on the side of the road and someone could easily run out in front of me in the same manner, so I should just drive slow everywhere? Now I am only impeding traffic for no reason. Any reduction in speed that would have made this collision avoidable would have brought the car down to a speed where anyone behind him would have to apply their brakes which only clogs up traffic and pisses people off. Now say I am rolling up to this scene and I can see a scuffle happening and and there is a real chance someone could end up in front of me, yeah I slow down. Every stop that bus makes he will pull over, throw on his hazards to let people know he is stopping for a period of time (by law) and then move on. This is every day stuff, it is common knowledge to anyone who rides this system that you never cross in front of the bus. No one slows down when they pass a bus here unless there is a reason to. Maybe where you are from it is common practice to slow down but here it is common practice to not walk into the street without looking both ways.[/QUOTE] And this mentality is why we can't have nice things. You don't have to drive the speed limit. It's not a contest to see how close to it you can go. It's the upper limit of a range. If people would drive with common sense, we could up speed limits significantly, because you could just adopt your actual speed based on conditions. But apparently, if there is no law to go slow when it's icy, it's perfectly reasonable to just speed across. Also, I don't get your point, you can start slowing down before you are literally next to the bus, rendering your whole 'everyone has to break and run into each other' thing moot. Just decelerate slowly & over a longer distance? But I guess that would require predictive driving which is apparently hard. And of course you should slow down for every risky situation and not go the speed limit if it's a narrow road with pedestrians likely to cross where you can't see them. Hell, I'm not arguing for the guy that ran across behind a bus, that guy fucked up majorly. But it sure as hell doesn't absolve any driver from using their brain and doing just a tiny bit of preventive driving. It's sad that apparently 'the law' is the most important thing in driving a car to you, really it should be a cooperative effort to let everyone travel safely. But I guess you would never yield for anyone either, because there is no law saying you have to. There is literally no point to driving brake ready when you are not at a speed that will let you stop within the distance to the expected collision. Basically your buddy was aware of the danger and expecting it and actively ignoring it at that point. 'I will hover my foot over the brake because I know someone could run out. I will hover not adapt my speed so I could actually stop.' What kind of thought process is that?

[QUOTE=SEKCobra;51968362]And this mentality is why we can't have nice things. You don't have to drive the speed limit. It's not a contest to see how close to it you can go. It's the upper limit of a range. If people would drive with common sense, we could up speed limits significantly, because you could just adopt your actual speed based on conditions. But apparently, if there is no law to go slow when it's icy, it's perfectly reasonable to just speed across. Also, I don't get your point, you can start slowing down before you are literally next to the bus, rendering your whole 'everyone has to break and run into each other' thing moot. Just decelerate slowly & over a longer distance? But I guess that would require predictive driving which is apparently hard. And of course you should slow down for every risky situation and not go the speed limit if it's a narrow road with pedestrians likely to cross where you can't see them. Hell, I'm not arguing for the guy that ran across behind a bus, that guy fucked up majorly. But it sure as hell doesn't absolve any driver from using their brain and doing just a tiny bit of preventive driving. It's sad that apparently 'the law' is the most important thing in driving a car to you, really it should be a cooperative effort to let everyone travel safely. But I guess you would never yield for anyone either, because there is no law saying you have to. There is literally no point to driving brake ready when you are not at a speed that will let you stop within the distance to the expected collision. Basically your buddy was aware of the danger and expecting it and actively ignoring it at that point. 'I will hover my foot over the brake because I know someone could run out. I will hover not adapt my speed so I could actually stop.' What kind of thought process is that?[/QUOTE] If you think I am gonna defend your opinion you are wrong. There is no law to drive slow when it is icy and you will see people going full speed, you will also find them down the road flipped over in a ditch. Anyone who is smart enough will drive at what is considered a reasonable speed in icy snowy conditions as advised in any road traffic book, that is common sense. It's a stupid point you are trying to make. Also I never said slowly slowing down is gonna cause everyone to smash into each other only that it will impede traffic which is also a traffic offense. (Just an FYI) I did say it poses the risk that anyone behind you not paying attention could rear end you. And as far as hovering over the brake being a thought process? It actually isn't, it is a unconscious habit, a gut feeling kind of thing. And the point still stands, any speed that would have made the accident unavoidable would have also put the car at a speed at which you would be impeding traffic which as I said above is a traffic offense. If in the same situation you are passing a bus and you slow down to what you think a "reasonable speed" and a cop behind you has to go near his brakes, but that guy never runs out and you just braked for no reason you now have a chance that cop will pull you over as in the eye of the law you just impeded traffic. If you think I view the law over the safety of others you couldn't be more wrong. Problem is you live in a different country with a different set of road laws where your common practice is not so much our common practice. In the eyes of the law my roommate was found innocent, and praised for his actions. I don't need to defend that. With that said, I will not further this dispute.