[QUOTE=Nazereth666;51968405]If you think I am gonna defend your opinion you are wrong.
There is no law to drive slow when it is icy and you will see people going full speed, you will also find them down the road flipped over in a ditch. Anyone who is smart enough will drive at what is considered a reasonable speed in icy snowy conditions as advised in any road traffic book, that is common sense. It's a stupid point you are trying to make.
Also I never said slowly slowing down is gonna cause everyone to smash into each other only that it will impede traffic which is also a traffic offense. (Just an FYI) I did say it poses the risk that anyone behind you not paying attention could rear end you.
And as far as hovering over the brake being a thought process? It actually isn't, it is a unconscious habit, a gut feeling kind of thing.
And the point still stands, any speed that would have made the accident unavoidable would have also put the car at a speed at which you would be impeding traffic which as I said above is a traffic offense.
If in the same situation you are passing a bus and you slow down to what you think a "reasonable speed" and a cop behind you has to go near his brakes, but that guy never runs out and you just braked for no reason you now have a chance that cop will pull you over as in the eye of the law you just impeded traffic.
If you think I view the law over the safety of others you couldn't be more wrong. Problem is you live in a different country with a different set of road laws where your common practice is not so much our common practice.
In the eyes of the law my roommate was found innocent, and praised for his actions. I don't need to defend that. With that said, I will not further this dispute.[/QUOTE]
You seem to have an odd fear of getting minor traffic tickets, which is obviously way worse than potentially running people over. Obviously I don't know your version of the law, but as most of them follow the international traffic code, I'm going to assume that impeding traffic is only an offense if doing it without any reason. Slowing down to avoid accidents in hot spots will stand up in court, I guarantee it.
Road laws come from the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic, so they are fairly universal around the world ;). Sure the US isn't technically part of that, but they aren't that far off.
"In the eyes of the law my roommate was found innocent, and praised for his actions."
Seriously? They eyes of the law is a court, not some polcie office saying 'GJ, you swerved as to not hit him!' I'm pretty sure the police officer would have swallowed his tongue if he knew that the statement would be twisted to justify speeding past a stopped bus.
Again, the runner was in the wrong, and your roommate DID a good job swerving, but he still is, in that situation, showing bad driving habit by the way he passed that bus.
Is such a petty arguement really worth this sort of effort and smarmy attitude? Like there's nothing to gain, not even a zinger, you're just arguing for the sake of it. The general consensus is that OP's roomie did fine and if the cops, who ARE the eyes of the law here in America ("eyes of the law is a court" lmao), also think he did fine then who even cares at that point
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;51968471]Is such a petty arguement really worth this sort of effort and smarmy attitude? Like there's nothing to gain, not even a zinger, you're just arguing for the sake of it. The general consensus is that OP's roomie did fine and if the cops, who ARE the eyes of the law here in America ("eyes of the law is a court" lmao), also think he did fine then who even cares at that point[/QUOTE]
"In the eyes of" is an expression, it doesn't mean 'The eyes of the law' which I guess you could construct the police to be, although it still doesn't really translate into the concept of division of powers.
Although I'm not driving, I'm going to protect OP on this. The road, first of it's a road with
double barrier lines, meaning that overtaking a car in the other line is prohibited, because of poor visibility and too short of a reaction time if anyone would come the other way.
If you also look at the intersection from his right, from where the bus come, you'll see this.
[img]https://i.gyazo.com/e372d15fa175e091b6b343c85c58909f.png[/img]
Meaning a car wouldn't pull out quickly, because they are obligated to a full stop before they can attempt to get out on the mainroad, or even cross it. It says nothing about crossing, but since it's a carparking spot on the other side, I would assume that you technically aren't allowed to cross, although the barrier is broken for that short amount for people coming from where the roommate of OP came from.
Last but not least... It's a double road, specfically to prevent people clogging up and people being able to go past the bus, when it's stopped. And with general rules, I'm assuming you guys have to stop and help buses out, like most countries have in place, atleast when it's under a specific speed. (Where I lived it's under 35 mph)
Although drivers should be worried, there was literally nothing that suggested that a man was going to run into what some countries call "highway", especially since the road isn't intersected in the middle even. And if you do, why the fuck didn't he go behind the bus, walk halfway out in the line to see other cars when there is nothing coming towards him?
I question him more, but shit happens. But he running away not paying for the damages he caused by his stupidity, that's a real dick move. That's the at least he could do, after all, if he hadn't been quick, he would have gone on the hood, and if unluckier, over the car and gotten everything from minor injuries to brain damage and death. What a fucking twat
Here in Finland it's illegal to pass a stopped vehicle like that, I'm surprised that's not a law in some places.
[QUOTE=nikomo;51968865]Here in Finland it's illegal to pass a stopped vehicle like that, I'm surprised that's not a law in some places.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't it only apply to crosswalks though? Unless this counts as an unmarked one or something.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51967171]In Philly you never ever stop for a bus unless it's a red light, or it's a school bus with the stop sign deployed. The idea that you should stop otherwise is madness to me, you're just gonna cause an accident by stopping on a green light next to a bus.[/QUOTE]
I second this. If you stop at a green to let people cross you will either end up being honked at, rear ended or simply shot.
You only stop for school buses around here. SEPTA passengers have to wait their turn to cross and are usually smart about it in my experience, because they know they'll end up becoming pancakes if they do what the tard did in the OP.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;51964147]Yeah man, all those buses, you'd have to slow down like every 30 minutes![/QUOTE]
Maybe over in Austria you don't see a lot but I see them quite often in my area. I also have to drive 40mi each way to work so that may have to do with it. I'm not saying I don't slow down for busses, I'm just not gonna assume somebody would be dumb enough to just start running across a major roadway because that could happen at any time, regardless if there's a bus nearby. There's a lot of traffic in my area too so the local peds are pretty aware of the roads, thankfully
[QUOTE=J!NX;51964159]Sure, if you live in an area with more bus's than cars I'd believe that
But I thought trying to predict where a pedestrian or car [I]could[/I] come from was a basic part of driving?[/QUOTE]
I thought as a pedestrian you would know not to [I]sprint into the roadway without checking for cars[/I]. It's more difficult to stop a vehicle than it is for a pedestrian to stop walking. It takes them an instant, it could take me 10+ft easily, let alone if it's wet out like in the video.
Gotta be some shitty driving schools if they don't train you for this exact scenario
[QUOTE=Plaster;51962872]Idk how this is teached but here you have to always slow down at least a little when driving past a bus as this exact scenario could've turned out way worse
Good thing nothing too terrible happened to anyone except the car[/QUOTE]
Not only slowing down, IF the bus has the caution lights flashing, you HAVE to slow down to step speed.
[QUOTE=Trekintosh;51964584]This is literally my nightmare scenario. That and someone opening their door into my car as I drive past. I have had actual wake-up-in-a-cold-sweat nightmares of someone dashing out from on front of a bus/truck/whatever before I can stop.
I'm glad your car is okay and more importantly I'm glad you have a dash cam and didn't have to fight insurance on this. I have basically zero sympathy for the chucklefuck who ran into your roommate, that was 100% utterly the pedestrian's fault, and if they had gone to insurance, without your dashcam you'd be truly fucked.[/QUOTE]
I've had it happen twice where some idiot swings their door wide open as I'm about to pass them. Luckily we've never hit each other but I wish they'd pay attention. It's not like my headlights are normally bright as fuck.
guy should have expected to have been hit running out into the road like that. entirely his fault
[QUOTE=Nazereth666;51968312]I don't think you understand that this situation isn't viewed as dangerous by 99% of the population here in Washington because there is no law saying you have to. A situation where you should be cautious yes as my roommate was and I described that. You can hear in the video that he had let off the throttle as he passed the bus which is second nature for most people I know. To be prepared in case something happens with his foot on the brake and clutch. I do it all the time such as when I am getting close in an intersection that might turn yellow or in cases like this where I see potential for a problem. But with your statement you act like I should slow down any time I am faced with a blind corner.
This is simply not the case here, if I come across a four way intersection with a one way stop sign I am able to go through without slowing down as the rules of the road state that the people going in the direction of the stop sign have to stop for me and proceed when safe. But what if someone ignores the stop sign and rolls through in front of me? There is always that risk. So I should slow down for every intersection where there might be a risk?
Every intersection or blind corner is a risk, downtown people park their cars on the side of the road and someone could easily run out in front of me in the same manner, so I should just drive slow everywhere? Now I am only impeding traffic for no reason. Any reduction in speed that would have made this collision avoidable would have brought the car down to a speed where anyone behind him would have to apply their brakes which only clogs up traffic and pisses people off. Now say I am rolling up to this scene and I can see a scuffle happening and and there is a real chance someone could end up in front of me, yeah I slow down.
Every stop that bus makes he will pull over, throw on his hazards to let people know he is stopping for a period of time (by law) and then move on. This is every day stuff, it is common knowledge to anyone who rides this system that you never cross in front of the bus. No one slows down when they pass a bus here unless there is a reason to.
Maybe where you are from it is common practice to slow down but here it is common practice to not walk into the street without looking both ways.[/QUOTE]
I dunno man, you're talking about the east side of washington and STA bus stuff in particular. I hardly even expect to see people embarking/disembarking on busses when I'm driving in Spokane, but in Seattle its so common (and there are so many dumb pedestrians) that I've got in the habit of slowing down.
You're not at fault, technically, but I would've slowed down tbh. In this case, it would've maybe made the damage less apparent but with the speed that pedestrian was moving a collision was inevitable.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;51969584]
I thought as a pedestrian you would know not to [I]sprint into the roadway without checking for cars[/I]. It's more difficult to stop a vehicle than it is for a pedestrian to stop walking. It takes them an instant, it could take me 10+ft easily, let alone if it's wet out like in the video.[/QUOTE]
you're talking as if nobody doesn't already get that that's wrong
No shit you shouldn't sprint across a road
I'm talking about one of the basics of driving. Just because there is no law against passing a bus with hazards flashing doesn't mean you should, same goes for any car with hazards.
Just because the speed limit on an icy road is 60 doesn't mean you should be going 60.
If you know that there is a really shitty turn coming up for example that is a complete blind spot you should slow down.
If you're in a school area in the thick of kids running around, just because the legal limit is 15 doesn't mean you should go that.
The pedestrian is at fault, but the driver could have done something to slow down. Driving is about way more than laws and rules. it's about going "Ok this doesn't look right, lets slowly ease the brakes down and make sure shit is OK" when you are faced with a blind spot.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51970277]you're talking as if nobody doesn't already get that that's wrong
No shit you shouldn't sprint across a road
I'm talking about one of the basics of driving. Just because there is no law against passing a bus with hazards flashing doesn't mean you should, same goes for any car with hazards.
Just because the speed limit on an icy road is 60 doesn't mean you should be going 60.
If you know that there is a really shitty turn coming up for example that is a complete blind spot you should slow down.
If you're in a school area in the thick of kids running around, just because the legal limit is 15 doesn't mean you should go that.
The pedestrian is at fault, but the driver could have done something to slow down. Driving is about way more than laws and rules. it's about going "Ok this doesn't look right, lets slowly ease the brakes down and make sure shit is OK" when you are faced with a blind spot.[/QUOTE]
Driving is made all the more stressful by knowing that you basically are relying on every pedestrian or other driver to not be retarded. That shouldn't be the situation. We shouldn't be relying on pedestrians to know "I shouldn't run across a busy highway" in order to be safe drivers.
Personally I slow when I see busses in situations like that but most people don't, and even if you do, I've seen people be rear ended for slowing down too much from the flow of traffic because other drivers may not be paying attention. It's a constant no win scenario because even if you're a good, cautious, careful driver, that's not always enough.
My driving school taught me to drive aggressively because anything less gets you hurt or injured. Patience is important but so is knowing that "Sitting here for another 5 seconds could be really bad".
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51970354]Driving is made all the more stressful by knowing that you basically are relying on every pedestrian or other driver to not be retarded. That shouldn't be the situation. We shouldn't be relying on pedestrians to know "I shouldn't run across a busy highway" in order to be safe drivers.
Personally I slow when I see busses in situations like that but most people don't, and even if you do, I've seen people be rear ended for slowing down too much from the flow of traffic because other drivers may not be paying attention. It's a constant no win scenario because even if you're a good, cautious, careful driver, that's not always enough.
My driving school taught me to drive aggressively because anything less gets you hurt or injured. Patience is important but so is knowing that "Sitting here for another 5 seconds could be really bad".[/QUOTE]
Tbh it really depends on where you are
if you're in a city like Buffalo you're going to see tons of braindead idiots running across the street, but that's buffalo, those streets are built over streets and then build over side walks and then built over rails
when you're in a suburban area like where I'm at where the limit is a constant 30 but there are a lot of people and cars driving aggressively doesn't really work
I'd rather I'd never need to predict some giant asshole speeding down a turn but I've nearly hit people before because they did that. You get aggressive drivers in the suburbs and people get hit.
You get people driving TOO safe in the city then everyone dies of old age or crashes when they can't decide who goes first so they both go at the same time.
I decide to let aggressive drivers pass when needed because I don't want to create a horn-argument. But I also stay 5mph above the limit like everyone else to keep traffic flowing.
[editline]16th March 2017[/editline]
I've noticed that I drive way better when I'm angry and terribly when I'm in a good mood.
When I'm REALLY happy I just drive like a complete idiot.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51970385]Tbh it really depends on where you are
if you're in a city like Buffalo you're going to see tons of braindead idiots running across the street, but that's buffalo, those streets are built over streets and then build over side walks and then built over rails
when you're in a suburban area like where I'm at where the limit is a constant 30 but there are a lot of people and cars driving aggressively doesn't really work
I'd rather I'd never need to predict some giant asshole speeding down a turn but I've nearly hit people before because they did that. You get aggressive drivers in the suburbs and people get hit.
You get people driving TOO safe in the city then everyone dies of old age or crashes when they can't decide who goes first so they both go at the same time.
I decide to let aggressive drivers pass when needed because I don't want to create a horn-argument. But I also stay 5mph above the limit like everyone else to keep traffic flowing.
[editline]16th March 2017[/editline]
I've noticed that I drive way better when I'm angry and terribly when I'm in a good mood.
When I'm REALLY happy I just drive like a complete idiot.[/QUOTE]
When you're "angry" behind the wheel, I find you're more likely to be invested in the situation.
I used to be a delivery driver for auto parts, and after that I was a driver for a chinese restaurant, and those jobs taught me how to drive better because of the huge amount of time I spent on the road. You have to be aggressive here, you have to be able to react quickly and you have to be paying full attention all the time.
I've had this happen to me before also. The guy came out of a shop and the entire time did not look to his right only to his left.
Worth noting I couldn't see him come out of the shop, my camera is higher than my own FOV.
[media]https://youtu.be/NJ7u_peBhT8[/media]
People are stupid
So remember what I said about that scenario with the four way intersection with a one way stop, well that happened today pretty much. No accident but I still reported it to the cops...
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?edit=vd&v=4E88oJxvnCc[/media]
People are just horrible drivers.
[QUOTE=Talvy;51969497]Doesn't it only apply to crosswalks though? Unless this counts as an unmarked one or something.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure it's only crosswalks, but that's where you cross the road.
If you're running into traffic randomly, that's your own fault. There are rules to follow.
But having to stop at crosswalks breeds a culture of giving a shit elsewhere.
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