Somebody copy this video and pass it off as their own, lets see how they like it.
[QUOTE=TechedRonan;21383998]Imagine if copying candy was possible, would there be any profit left in making candy? No. Candy would be free.
We'd be stuck with the exact same candy, no-one would dare come up with new recipes because they'd end up spending time and money on it only to end up being unable to profit from it.
Same shit pretty much applies to copying games, except with games there's a higher demand for uniqueness and quality. Not to mention how expensive it is to produce quality games.
If you think that piracy killing gaming is bullshit, then explain the recent spike in "casual games", console exclusive games, games primarily written for consoles then ported to PC(often not done very well) and desperate DRM schemes that are strict enough to limit the actual paying customers.
I CAN steal my friends money while he doesn't notice it, and he wouldn't suspect me. Therefore it's justified, right?
And if developers spend more time "perfecting" DRM instead of focusing on creating quality games it'll end up with the pirates whining about it and saying that's why they pirated it in the first place.[/QUOTE]
If everything was copyable, then we would progress even faster. No homeless people, everyone happy. See open source projects, they do it for free, for fun. And if everything was free, we would see so much new stuff.
software.
real world objects.
difference.
Combating piracy is fair enough, but developers need to realise that you have to entice potential pirates, not punish them.
Steam's a great example. If I want a game, i'll check steam. If it's on there, I'll buy it simply because I don't have to have a physical copy of the game, and it's tied to my account. If it's a valve game, it's never worth pirating because they always keep updating their games with new content.
When you look at something like Modern Warfare 2, on the other hand, the only new content is paid dlc, and so people will just try and get around VAC and such.
Bad company 2 is a good example of anti-piracy done right. There's a lot of bonuses, like new maps and features, that are coming 'round if you buy it, not to mention 2 maps that you only get when you buy it...
I suppose you could argue that money is like votes for developers. If they get more money from us, they get more votes from the public to keep making games...
[QUOTE=YoMother;21384229]The fuck are you talking about? So because some guy didn't lock his car I can steal it? Great logic there genius.[/QUOTE]
That's not how it works at all. If you steal a car you'll go to prison. If you download 500 songs and adobe photoshop fuck all will happen.
[QUOTE=Commsky;21379851]Yup, and then if you actually like it and you are a good person you might buy a real copy, but even if you don't, you just might endorse the product, thats like free advertising.[/QUOTE]
But what if tbey copy it instead of buying it ?
If people copied bicycles, then bike companies wouldn't be able to afford production.
In fact, all labor would stop if we could copy stuff legally in the real world.
Which also would stop progression of technology.
So [b]YOU[/b] created a great piece of game and decided to sell it for only [i]five[/i] dollars and then you get no income but a bunch of people are playing your game and giving you no credit.
Would you be happy?
[QUOTE=Zemog;21385504]
Which also would stop progression of technology.[/QUOTE]
No it wouldn't
This video is golden. I'll use it whenever I get called a pirate.
You know, I was happy about it up until I remembered about China.
Someone make a copy of this video and change the credits at the end.
[QUOTE=johanz;21385545]No it wouldn't[/QUOTE]
With no production of technology if people were just copying real life items there'd be no progress either.
[QUOTE=Zayfox;21380351]Technically, I guess piracy can increase sales by, like what has been said already, user adverting. For example, I know a lot of FP'ers wouldn't buy the Adobe Master Collection CS4 or something, which is $5k. Therefore Adobe loses nothing if you pirate it, tell a friend whose dad owns a company, and the company buys it or something.[/QUOTE]
Its about $400 for students, including highschool, I think.
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[QUOTE=BmB;21383918]Actually there is one thing that does justify it.
You can do it, you can get stuff for free, and nobody can do anything about it. It is practically unenforcable. There is no practical reason why in this scenario you wouldn't want to pirate. It's not your problem if content providers go out of business, there's an ocean of them and it's up to them to provide a product and a service that cannot be pirated.[/QUOTE]
No, it's up to them to make a product that is worth not pirating.
This argument is absolutely stupid, everyone pirates, but those who think there's nothing wrong with it and that the op video is actually a legitimate argument are just deluding themselves.
[QUOTE=Combine_dumb;21379882]Piracy isn't really hurting anyone, but it isn't helping anyone either.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=M_B;21382485]it's actually doing both at the same time.
who gets hurt:
the parties involved who put out the data being pirated. see, they're missing out on a sale, that's where the idea of theft comes into play, when you get something for free, and no one gets anything in exchange for it (in this case payment), it's what's considered either given, loaned, or stolen. unless the parties that originally created/published/distributed the downloaded content said "here have it for free" or said "here have it for free for a little while", it's being stolen.
who gets helped:
the person downloading it, obviously, there's not really anything else to explain here.
i'm not against piracy, i just more or less hate the people that actually try and find a way to say there's absolutely nothing wrong with piracy. i know the repercussions of piracy, i know who isn't getting what amount of money, and yet i pirate anyway. but i don't go around saying it's okay for me to do it.
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most of the time, this doesn't happen. it can very well be used as an excuse, but realistically, seldom do people actually buy something after they've pirated it.[/QUOTE]
Your logic is flawed. User advertisement helps the company.
[QUOTE=Octo pie;21384264]Somebody copy this video and pass it off as their own, lets see how they like it.[/QUOTE]
That would be plagiarism.
But it's not theft, so it's okay.
[QUOTE=BmB;21399134]But it's not theft, so it's okay.[/QUOTE]
Plagiarism is stealing credit.
If you guys disagree with this video, download it and post it as your own to see how they like it.
let the flame war begin
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;21381737]It's not rape if she's unconscious.[/QUOTE]
It's not rape if you either:
1) Tell her
2) say "I'm going to surprise rape you"
3) She's in a coma.
4) If she doesn't say no.
To be honest i don't see much wrong with piracy.
I have an opinion, deal with it.
Plus you can legitimately pirate things as well.
Also, all i see in this thread is a bunch of butthurt anti piracy folks, and a bunch of pirates making equally bad arguments.
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fucccccck i do not like the new text
[QUOTE=mysteryman;21407368]To be honest i don't see much wrong with piracy.
I have an opinion, deal with it.
Plus you can legitimately pirate things as well.
Also, all i see in this thread is a bunch of butthurt anti piracy folks, and a bunch of pirates making equally bad arguments.
[editline]01:09PM[/editline]
fucccccck i do not like the new text[/QUOTE]
Pirating is always illegal, what you are talking about is downloading and sharing things like demo's or linux distros, which is not pirating.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;21390209]Your logic is flawed. User advertisement helps the company.[/QUOTE]
However it does not help as much as the equivalent revenue selling that game would provide
[QUOTE=xxncxx;21390209]Your logic is flawed. User advertisement helps the company.[/QUOTE]it's not my logic, it's the way it works and it's absolutely irrefutable. and user advertisement doesn't come when people pirate a game.
"hey man i just pirated fallout 3" "oh sweet where'd you get it" "bigdicktorrents.fag" "sweet thanks"
that's basically how everyone i know who played fallout 3 on pc got it
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[QUOTE=BmB;21399134]But it's not theft, so it's okay.[/QUOTE]
it'd be copyright infringement, which is only okay if the creators said so. and they probably did.
[QUOTE=M_B;21410316]
it'd be copyright infringement, which is only okay if the creators said so. and they probably did.[/QUOTE]
No it wouldn't because the video isn't copyrighted.
"it'd be copyright infringement, which is only okay if the creators said so. and they probably did."
read it all the way through this time
all the way
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