3 Things You Should Know About Islam - General

This video is so well done. It's unlike so many other videos because it is not really subjective, and it is remarkably clear.

[QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23812332]The Islamic world was never a "center of advance learning, technology, medicine", it started out as a violent conquering entity, and the information they had was what they cannibalized from the cultures that it conquered and subjugated.[/QUOTE] What the fuck? Try this; at nighttime, go out and look at the sky. What do you see? Stars, and every single one of them (except some of the dim ones) have Arabic names. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Compendious_Book_on_Calculation_by_Completion_and_Balancing]Algebra stems from the Arabic world.[/url] Argh, I wish I could remember that TED I learned this from. :v:

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;23844149]The Qur'an is not a set of direct commands. It's is up for interpretation. It gives you a set of morals and beliefs to live by and some guidelines to set you on the right path of worship. The Shari'a law in Saudi is used in the most extreme sense while in other muslim countries they deal with a much more forgiving nature, preferring jail time over punishments as harsh.[/quote] Wrong, The Qu'ran is exactly a book of direct commands, most of it reads like a damn instruction manual. Also again wrong, many Islamic countries other than Saudi Arabia use the extreme Shari'a like cutting off hands of a thief and stoning adulterers. [QUOTE=PunchedInFac;23844149]Misconceptions about Jihad: "Jihad is only about war and the sacrifice of one's life towards a cause". This is false. There are two types of Jihad: -Jihad with Charity and goodwill. The giving of money and spreading goodwill, being an all-around good person to other people. -Jihad in war. This is only permitted when an actual threat of war comes up and threatens your country, religion or even your local area. To die on the battlefield FOR A JUST CAUSE (Defense of your homeland and religion in the face of an active threat) is considered to be a great honor for a muslim (even any type of soldier fighting for his country would think this). Suicide (like in Christianity) for any cause is considered one of the greatest of sins and will not be rewarded with 72 virgins.[/quote] I believe what you're trying to talk about here is lesser Jihad and greater Jihad, greater Jihad being a struggle with ones own mind and soul, and making yourself the best Muslim you can be. The problem is, this is only supposed to be done once the entire world is Islamic. This brings us to lesser Jihad, which is the war, and the problem you don't clarify is when you say a threat on your religion. Only a Caliph can call for a full on Jihad, and there currently is no Caliphate (although Muslims sure want one established), but Jihad is still allow to fight against threats on Islam, and Muslims interpret a threat as infidels stopping the spread of Islam, or not paying the Jizya, or insulting the prophet Muhammad or the Qu'ran. The Islamic idea of defence of Islam is extremely loose, which is why you see so much Islamic Jihadi attacks in the world. Look at Africa, look at Russia, look at South-East Asia. [QUOTE=PunchedInFac;23844149]Taqqiya: Lying to non-muslims IS ONLY PERMITTED when it is to save your life. An example is back in Mohammed's time when one of his followers were being tortured by the idol worshipers living in Mecca at the time, they also had his father and mother. They told him to renounce Islam take Hubell (their most famous idol) As his god, he continued to resist until they almost killed his parents at which point he cracked and told them that he renounced Islam. The Idol-worshipers then stopped his torture. Muhammed and his followers then rescued the man at which point the man burst into tears and told Muhammed the story. Muhammed said to him that it was alright for him to lie in order to save his life and his parent's and also told him lying is only permitted to save your life.[/quote] Against, not entirely true, lying for the sake of Islam is encouraged to help any Islamic cause. The man was allowed to lie that he renounced Islam so he wouldn't be killed, but also because becoming an apostate is against Islam. To keep a religion going to need people in a religion, which is why leaving the religion puts a death warrant on your head. Taqiyya is encouraged to be practiced to propagate any Islamic cause, here's an example. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTXywWqXQd0[/media] [QUOTE=PunchedInFac;23844149]I don't know much about extremist beliefs and interpretations of the Qur'an since I distance myself from anything regarding them. All I know is that outside of extremist states such as Saudi Islam is taught to be a religion of tolerance and forgiveness. I'm really saddened that you only see a number of extremists and then apply your impression onto the rest of the populace. FYI: Saudi guys are fucked up in the head. And not religiously either.[/QUOTE] The fact is, the "extremist" are actually the most devout and pious of Muslims, and they are fully and accurately following the Qu'ran and the Hadith and are fully backed by Islamic Scholars throughout the ages. The average Muslim doesn't go out and try to kill infidels, but the problem is they adhere to an ideology that espouses that, they give their support to that ideology, and they influence those around them with this set of beliefs. Trying to blame the Saudis for the problems of Islam is completely dishonest.

They will fucking hang you for forcibly feeding them pork

[QUOTE=Gargatul0th;23861139]Wrong, The Qu'ran is exactly a book of direct commands, most of it reads like a damn instruction manual. Also again wrong, many Islamic countries other than Saudi Arabia use the extreme Shari'a like cutting off hands of a thief and stoning adulterers. [/QUOTE] Read it in Arabic. A lot of the meaning is lost in translation. Haven't you heard that scholars argue about what the passages in Qur'an actually mean?

Christianity extremists are nothing like Islam, when was the last time you saw a Christian extremist blow themselves up for god.

It's funny because it's usually the "extremist" who are REALLY following their holy books while the "regular practitioners" are following an edited version. Just comes to show how human morality overcomes even the word of "god"

[QUOTE=Viephemeral;23870964]It's funny because it's usually the "extremist" who are REALLY following their holy books while the "regular practitioners" are following an edited version. Just comes to show how human morality overcomes even the word of "god"[/QUOTE] I've often thought similarly to this too. Often religious people bend their religion to mean what they want, which of course is ridiculous. Why bend religion to what you want it to mean instead of just doing away with organised religion?

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;23865331]Read it in Arabic. A lot of the meaning is lost in translation. Haven't you heard that scholars argue about what the passages in Qur'an actually mean?[/QUOTE] I suppose all Christians don't know much about their religion - they should read the bible in Hebrew and the new testament in Latin if they really want to know their religion. What I'm trying to say is that the language shouldn't matter.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23873719]I suppose all Christians don't know much about their religion - they should read the bible in Hebrew and the new testament in Latin if they really want to know their religion. What I'm trying to say is that the language shouldn't matter.[/QUOTE] No actually the Quran is different. I think it's due to poetry, I'm not exactly sure. Anyways, the Quran in English is different then what the Bible and Torah would be in English. [editline]08:30PM[/editline] It's really inaccurate and doesn't really make sense which leads to a lot of misconceptions of the verses, like seen in the video.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23873719]I suppose all Christians don't know much about their religion - they should read the bible in Hebrew and the new testament in Latin if they really want to know their religion. What I'm trying to say is that the language shouldn't matter.[/QUOTE] For Christianity it doesn't matter much NOW, otherwise there wouldn't be so many Churches using different languages unified under one title. I'm talking about the Russian (Slavic), Georgian, Greek etc., Churches who are all considered Orthodox Christians (same goes for Catholic Christians I assume). The reason for this is that the translations are word by word. It did matter thought when the East - West Schism occured. One of the issues was the "filioque". Basically, a conflict in one word which pretty much makes Orthodox and Catholic Christianity quite different. It's quite interesting actually, you should look it up. A correction: the bible is the new testament + old testament and some other books included. The Old testament was written in Hebrew (and/or Aramaic) and then translated to Greek (acknowledged by the Orthodox) and Latin (acknowledged by the Catholics). The New testament was originally written in Greek.

This is why religion is stupid. It only causes wars and without it we wouldn't have this bullshit to deal with.

[QUOTE=redwinterwol;23870717]Christianity extremists are nothing like Islam, when was the last time you saw a Christian extremist blow themselves up for god.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence_in_the_United_States#United_States[/url] [quote]Beginning in the late nineteenth century, white supremacist Ku Klux Klan members in the Southern United States engaged in arson, beatings, cross burning, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, and whipping against African Americans, Jews, Catholics and other social or ethnic minorities.[/quote] [quote]During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[/quote] [quote]A number of terrorist attacks, including the Centennial Olympic Park bombing during the 1996 Summer Olympics by Eric Robert Rudolph, were accused of being carried out by individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements; including the Lambs of Christ.[/quote] [quote]A group called Concerned Christians were deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999, believing that [b]their deaths would "lead them to heaven."[/b][/quote] [quote]Hutaree was a [b]Christian militia group[/b] based in Adrian, Michigan. In 2010, after an FBI agent infiltrated the group, nine of its members were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy to use of improvised explosive devices, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Vasili;23815111]You know one religion that isn't as annoying Buddhists.[/QUOTE] It is when people who aren't Buddhists talk about how great Buddhism is.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23886772]It is when people who aren't Buddhists talk about how great Buddhism is.[/QUOTE] This girl I know: "I don't have a religion, but buddhism looks cool! I want to try that out!" Stoopit Biddie.

Also the guy in the video was defending the Bible and Torah, like the differences that he pointed out weren't in them too. The Bible probably says to take every word of it literally too. Also enough with the old AMC text like we haven't see that enough already.

If you guys want to read some passages I did a quick google search and found [url=http://www.muslim.org/english-quran/quran.htm]this[/url]

[QUOTE=Aidos;23886266]For Christianity it doesn't matter much NOW, otherwise there wouldn't be so many Churches using different languages unified under one title. I'm talking about the Russian (Slavic), Georgian, Greek etc., Churches who are all considered Orthodox Christians (same goes for Catholic Christians I assume). The reason for this is that the translations are word by word. It did matter thought when the East - West Schism occured. One of the issues was the "filioque". Basically, a conflict in one word which pretty much makes Orthodox and Catholic Christianity quite different. It's quite interesting actually, you should look it up. A correction: the bible is the new testament + old testament and some other books included. The Old testament was written in Hebrew (and/or Aramaic) and then translated to Greek (acknowledged by the Orthodox) and Latin (acknowledged by the Catholics). The New testament was originally written in Greek.[/QUOTE] You know this subject quite well I am Orthodox Christian. My mother is Chechen Sufi and my father is Russian Orthodox. I was raised learning about both since they follow similar practices. It did suck thought fasting three times a year for Ramadan ,Christmas and then Pascha(easter)When I was older my parents gave me the choice for my soul to follow what faith I really wanted to be apart of more. [QUOTE=Legend286;23886555]This is why religion is stupid. It only causes wars and without it we wouldn't have this bullshit to deal with.[/QUOTE] Actual that is such a silly and ignorant statement to make. Religion is not the cause of wars it only a subject people use to rally behind. Their is always conflict over everything and always people who abuse a politic ideal, religion in the name of. It all comes down someone judging a person life beneath theirs. One value of life is the cause of all conflict of men when it comes down to it. Without religion another entity would take it place and has. Always an ideal people abuse to feel superior and justify taking another person life rather be for religion, politics or resources. Taking one away will not solve it or blame it for the cause. [editline]09:50AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ender_Wiggin;23886672][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence_in_the_United_States#United_States[/url][/QUOTE] Good point but I do not consider them Christian like many Muslims do not consider those people who practice honor killing or other violence. oh an interesting note, Morocco was the first country to recognize U.S Independence for you americans.