Samsung throwing some serious shade at Apple in their new commerical

[Splarg]

If they're still going to have a bezel on those other notch phones why didn't they just make it at the top instead of the bottom.

[Cuel]

[QUOTE=V12US;52859332]Because that notch out of the iPhoneX display is fucking retarded.

[url]https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/14/16306298/apple-iphone-x-screen-notch[/url][/QUOTE]

holy shit

[Gorou]

[QUOTE=ElderLolz;52861233]Apple always goes on about how their OSs are so modern and for the average, simple individual yet their OSs handle like complete shit and are ass-backwards.[/QUOTE]
The entire mantra of Apple OSs is that they're trivial to learn. Unless you already know how to use a computer/smartphone, then you can go fuck yourself.

[haloguy234]

As much as I hate Apple for their stances on product maintenance, I have to say that all of them are shit. Samsung, Motorola, HTC, they all suck.

Apple doesn't want you to fix your own things, and they don't even trust their own Apple Authorized Service Providers to do more than replace screens or install new batteries, which is a very small portion of repairs performed on their devices by third-parties. However...Apple has maintained roughly the same design of their phones for generations, only really mixing things up with the 7, but that's still very similar in terms of maintenance when compared to all the phones before it. The 8 and X are wildly different, but again...there are a lot of similarities. Point is, even though Apple has such a fucked backwards stance of providing options for consumers to repair their own products, their devices are far and away the most "easily accessible" in terms of repair. Finding quality parts doesn't take that long as long as you avoid eBay and Amazon and ask professionals in the industry where to go.

Conversely, if you become authorized with Samsung, you get access to their entire repair and refurbishing network and can direct order parts for a whole variety of products. If it's made by Samsung Electronics, you are guaranteed to get parts, tools, service manuals, schematics, boardviews...everything. [I]But,[/I] their phones have gotten progressively more and more difficult to repair. The S3 was a little stupid just because the charge port was soldered to the board, but they changed that in the S4 since the port was placed on a removable daughterboard. They did a similar design in the S5, [I]but you have to remove the $130 AMOLED panel[/I] to even get to it, because it has soft touch buttons attached to the daughterboard that run underneath the front glass. :why:

So, Apple doesn't want you to fix their products, Samsung does. But Apple is far more accessible in terms of parts and the devices in question are much easier to "jump into" if you're first starting off in the repair industry (or just a DIY-er with a screwdriver kit and a spudger). Original screens (in the context of refurbished display assemblies) are still decently cheap, around $60 for a refurbished iPhone 7 panel. Comparatively, Samsung has far more expensive parts (even if you're authorized, they are still somewhat pricey), their phones are substantially more difficult to work on (more things that can be broken if you aren't experienced), and overall accessibility is very limited because of this. What sounds more attractive, spending $60 for a refurbished, Apple-original LCD with high copy glass, or a $290 display assembly with frame for an S7 Edge?

HTC and Motorola are no different. These days, pretty much every phone has been the same thing for the last 5 or 6 years. The improvements are negligible unless you are specifically after a particular feature like a phone with a good camera or whatever. Phones are now more inflated than they've ever been, it's absolutely ridiculous. There is no reason for a $850 phone to exist, and the iPhone X is in no fucking way anywhere near being worth $1,000. The proof for this is in Apple's replacement policies for devices. Apple charges $549 for an out-of-warranty swap with an X. They aren't going to do it at cost...and $549 is a lot less than $1,000, so with some very basic inferring it's pretty obvious the phone itself likely has an accumulated cost to Apple of around $300.

I, personally, can't wait for the day when the entire market collapses and people stop getting roped into perpetually leasing their $1,000 phones through their carrier for a 3 year contract that "only adds an extra $30 a month".

[redBadger]

[QUOTE=haloguy234;52864327]As much as I hate Apple for their stances on product maintenance, I have to say that all of them are shit. Samsung, Motorola, HTC, they all suck.

Apple doesn't want you to fix your own things, and they don't even trust their own Apple Authorized Service Providers to do more than replace screens or install new batteries, which is a very small portion of repairs performed on their devices by third-parties. However...Apple has maintained roughly the same design of their phones for generations, only really mixing things up with the 7, but that's still very similar in terms of maintenance when compared to all the phones before it. The 8 and X are wildly different, but again...there are a lot of similarities. Point is, even though Apple has such a fucked backwards stance of providing options for consumers to repair their own products, their devices are far and away the most "easily accessible" in terms of repair. Finding quality parts doesn't take that long as long as you avoid eBay and Amazon and ask professionals in the industry where to go.

Conversely, if you become authorized with Samsung, you get access to their entire repair and refurbishing network and can direct order parts for a whole variety of products. If it's made by Samsung Electronics, you are guaranteed to get parts, tools, service manuals, schematics, boardviews...everything. [I]But,[/I] their phones have gotten progressively more and more difficult to repair. The S3 was a little stupid just because the charge port was soldered to the board, but they changed that in the S4 since the port was placed on a removable daughterboard. They did a similar design in the S5, [I]but you have to remove the $130 AMOLED panel[/I] to even get to it, because it has soft touch buttons attached to the daughterboard that run underneath the front glass. :why:

So, Apple doesn't want you to fix their products, Samsung does. But Apple is far more accessible in terms of parts and the devices in question are much easier to "jump into" if you're first starting off in the repair industry (or just a DIY-er with a screwdriver kit and a spudger). Original screens (in the context of refurbished display assemblies) are still decently cheap, around $60 for a refurbished iPhone 7 panel. Comparatively, Samsung has far more expensive parts (even if you're authorized, they are still somewhat pricey), their phones are substantially more difficult to work on (more things that can be broken if you aren't experienced), and overall accessibility is very limited because of this. What sounds more attractive, spending $60 for a refurbished, Apple-original LCD with high copy glass, or a $290 display assembly with frame for an S7 Edge?

HTC and Motorola are no different. These days, pretty much every phone has been the same thing for the last 5 or 6 years. The improvements are negligible unless you are specifically after a particular feature like a phone with a good camera or whatever. Phones are now more inflated than they've ever been, it's absolutely ridiculous. There is no reason for a $850 phone to exist, and the iPhone X is in no fucking way anywhere near being worth $1,000. The proof for this is in Apple's replacement policies for devices. Apple charges $549 for an out-of-warranty swap with an X. They aren't going to do it at cost...and $549 is a lot less than $1,000, so with some very basic inferring it's pretty obvious the phone itself likely has an accumulated cost to Apple of around $300.

I, personally, can't wait for the day when the entire market collapses and people stop getting roped into perpetually leasing their $1,000 phones through their carrier for a 3 year contract that "only adds an extra $30 a month".[/QUOTE]

It's becoming increasingly more difficult for phone manufacturers to appeal to someone like you who wants to DIY repair, since these phones are all becoming unibody design and very specifically designed with a ton of different things in mind.

[haloguy234]

[QUOTE=redBadger;52864382]It's becoming increasingly more difficult for phone manufacturers to appeal to someone like you who wants to DIY repair, since these phones are all becoming unibody design and very specifically designed with a ton of different things in mind.[/QUOTE]

There's nothing inherently wrong with a unibody design, my main complaint is with the ludicrous pricing of the devices when very little avenues exist to support them if they break. Which they do. Dropping a $900 phone and breaking the screen sucks and there are no options for most people beyond mailing it in for service or filing an insurance claim (insurance is a whole different scam all together). For how expensive these devices are, there need to be more options available for supporting them. And there aren't, except for the case of third party repair, but that's been in a downward spiral for a few years now thanks to Apple fighting tooth and nail to make parts harder to source and doing bullshit like Error 53 and the recent iOS 11.0.2 update that made touch response screw up on aftermarket displays (which was promptly rectified in 11.0.3 and called a ""'glitch""" by Apple). Which is exactly what they said about Error 53 too, but only after being threatened with a class action lawsuit.

[editline]6th November 2017[/editline]

Apple has Apple Care which is unrenewable and has a very limited number of incidents before they tell you to fuck off. They don't want people to keep using the same old device if it works fine for them. They want to do everything they can to push people into buying their newest devices. It's not just Apple, they all do it.

[Jeezy]

My current iPhone, and my first one, is the 5s.
I never really considered getting an iPhone because the prices were outrageous.
However, I was able to pick up the 5s brand new from Cricket for $250.
Seemed like a pretty solid deal to me, about 6 months in and can say I don't regret the purchase.

Although, whenever I decide to upgrade my phone again I will probably going with Android as I am not interested in a phone without a headphone jack.
I don't really care there's an adapter, it just seems like an unnecessary inconvenience. For someone who often wears skinny jeans, the last thing I want to do is squeeze an adapter in my pockets along with my phone and wallet.
I could get the 6 I suppose, but I might just get the first Pixel when they're cheaper.

In terms of the operating systems, I could go with either, however I felt quite a bit more freedom with Android.
Maybe I should look into Samsung phones.

[Danneh]

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52861839]In my opinion the commercial missed the biggest offender from apple by far, it's shitty apple ID recovery system.

Why in the fuck do people have to wait nearly a month for apple to recover their apple ID when they never even forgot the password in the first place? Apple sometimes refuses to allow you to sign in with you legitimate password, it keeps telling you it's wrong and then locks you out. When you go to recover, it gives you the bloody code run around until it prompts you to do a recovery through apple which "only takes a few days", where in reality it takes weeks.

It's happened to me so many times.

Samsung really missed an opportunity there to bring an actual issue to light.[/QUOTE]

Not letting you in with the correct details? Yeah no I don't believe that. That's an issue I've never heard of or experienced before. As for recovery, it's just a standard recovery process afaik, security questions etc. I don't know what the process is if you've forgotten your recovery details, but if you've gotten that far then you need to start using a password manager