• Sam Pepper- The Real "Reveal": A girl talks about her experience with Sam Pepper.
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[QUOTE=geogzm;46084064]The problem is, anybody could falsify a rape claim. As unfair as it is, would you rather a world where we start to arrest people on the claim that they're a rapist? Somebody wants revenge on their ex, or something clandestine like that? There's going to be thousands of people who would abuse that kind of legal system. It's the lesser of two evils. At current, yes - lots of people do get away with rape, and that needs to be fought. Personally, I'd like to see developments of new ways to capture evidence of such a thing, but in the other world where an emotionally delivered rape accusation is enough to get somebody locked up, people would begin trying to get non-rapists locked up. It's shitty, but unfortunately, that's the way it has to be until there's better ways to prove it objectively.[/QUOTE] Alright first off, I'm about to go off on the people saying I signed up just to post on this. And this is not the only thing I've posted on yet. I just have to find things I have to say about. If I could, i would punch some of the people on here through the computer. But you make sense and you're right about how anyone can falsify a rape claim. What about the people who give false testimonies in court as witnesses? Anyone can falsify anything. With or without "evidence", someone can be rightfully justified or wrongly accused. I just want to point out I am not just looking at what goes on in this video. The first thing you have to think is why would she want to get him in trouble? She's not his ex. He has had a web interview where he has clarified he has never had a girlfriend before. So you can tell she's not a crazed ex-girlfriend. She has witnesses to testify that she didn't know who he was in the first place. Why would she place a false testimony against a complete stranger without a reason? Then you look at other testimonies and facts. If you have seen the video of him grabbing ass and handcuffing girls until they agreed to make out with him, this can prove that he is willing to sexually assault women. It does not prove exactly that he raped this girl, but because he has shown how he is it makes it more likely that he did commit rape. Alright, I'm not saying he should go to Prison without proof. There would need to be testimonies, eye witnesses, and more on. I just want to point out if you look at other things aside from this video, you will have the common sense enough to see that he most likely did rape this girl. Just notice I said most likely, not that he for sure raped her. I go through and look at the details. I look deeper into this subject, rather than some people who just watch this video. I still believe he is a rapist but the government and law cannot call him a rapist without proof. [editline]26th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Baconator 7;46084023]First of all, you signed up today to post in this thread? Second of all, you realize that she even mentioned she's trying to get into the acting industry. Showing just your mouth makes it pretty easy to pretend to be emotionally distressed. [url=http://vocaroo.com/i/s0jzP4jw9vt2]Here's a voice recording of me pretending to cry over nacho cheese.[/url] oh also possibly/probably a troll?[/QUOTE] Okay, smartass. First off, what I signed up for is none of your business. And maybe I didn't know about this site right away because I have a life that doesn't include being a dumbass towards people and saying negative things about people's views. I have my views and you have yours, so if you don't respect my views, then why in the f*ck should I even care about what you think about this thread discussion? If you don't like what I have to say and think it's dumb than just ignore it. There are plenty of people here who feel the same way as me and you sure as hell didn't go getting all smartass with the rest of them. Again if you don't like what I have to say, then just IGNORE IT. If you are going to give a good point of view like some other people, like geogzm did, then okay. I try to look from all views at some point of time, unlike some people. But YOU just made a smartass comment and didn't give a decent argument or point of view. And I know she mentioned she's trying to get into the acting industry because I watched the full video and listened. You could have left out the oh also possibly/ probably a troll because that is what made you seem like a smartass more than anything else.
[QUOTE=mahrdlicka;46084500]Alright first off, I'm about to go off on the people saying I signed up just to post on this. And this is not the only thing I've posted on yet. I just have to find things I have to say about. If I could, i would punch some of the people on here through the computer. But you make sense and you're right about how anyone can falsify a rape claim. What about the people who give false testimonies in court as witnesses? Anyone can falsify anything. With or without "evidence", someone can be rightfully justified or wrongly accused. I just want to point out I am not just looking at what goes on in this video. The first thing you have to think is why would she want to get him in trouble? She's not his ex. He has had a web interview where he has clarified he has never had a girlfriend before. So you can tell she's not a crazed ex-girlfriend. She has witnesses to testify that she didn't know who he was in the first place. Why would she place a false testimony against a complete stranger without a reason? Then you look at other testimonies and facts. If you have seen the video of him grabbing ass and handcuffing girls until they agreed to make out with him, this can prove that he is willing to sexually assault women. It does not prove exactly that he raped this girl, but because he has shown how he is it makes it more likely that he did commit rape. Alright, I'm not saying he should go to Prison without proof. There would need to be testimonies, eye witnesses, and more on. I just want to point out if you look at other things aside from this video, you will have the common sense enough to see that he most likely did rape this girl. Just notice I said most likely, not that he for sure raped her. I go through and look at the details. I look deeper into this subject, rather than some people who just watch this video. I still believe he is a rapist but the government and law cannot call him a rapist without proof. [/QUOTE] First off, he's not a [i]"complete stranger"[/i] - he has over 2 million subscribers. There is a lot of heat and hatred towards him right now, which I completely understand why. Why would someone do this for no reason? Because this is the internet, and people over dramatize stuff all the time - and sometimes try and affect other's lives. Take a look at SWATing for instance - why would anyone do that to a "stranger" for no reason? Maybe there are issues beyond what we know? I am not saying she made this video for attention, it's a very serious subject and it's not a joke. It seems like it [b]very well[/b] could be true after seeing all the facts - and how this guy acts in his videos. But the point is, anyone can falsify a rape claim - or almost anything for that matter. And there could be reasons behind the scenes from what we know. Or it could be false - you can't just arrest someone on the spot because people say that he's a rapist. The guy hasn't been posting on any of his social media recently, it seems like he's just ignoring what's going on. It's quite odd. [QUOTE=mahrdlicka;46084500] Okay, smartass. First off, what I signed up for is none of your business. And maybe I didn't know about this site right away because I have a life that doesn't include being a dumbass towards people and saying negative things about people's views. [/QUOTE] Look, you need to calm down - no one is being negative about your views. He just put his thoughts in a different type of way, and he does have a point. Also, one of the reasons people are questioning your sign up is because Facepunch isn't really just this sensationalist headlines section, it's a broad range of everything which started as Garry's Mod. There's nothing wrong with joining Facepunch to express your opinion.
[QUOTE=mahrdlicka;46084500]I try to look from all views at some point of time, unlike some people. -----> But YOU just made a smartass comment and didn't give a decent argument or point of view.[/QUOTE] Look at my post two pages ago? Here, I'll even make your life a little easier and [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1426943&p=46078650&viewfull=1#post46078650]give you a link to my post.[/url] Sure doesn't look like you try to look from everybody's point of view if you don't even read the other posts in the thread.
anyone else find it weird that literally every time a rape accusation comes up a bunch of people come in to say "SHE'S PROBABLY FAKING" "I DID A GOOGLE SEARCH AND FOUND THIS AND THIS SO I'D BE SUSPICIOUS..." among other things is every rape accusation ever fake or something?
[QUOTE=TheHydra;46085872]anyone else find it weird that literally every time a rape accusation comes up a bunch of people come in to say "SHE'S PROBABLY FAKING" "I DID A GOOGLE SEARCH AND FOUND THIS AND THIS SO I'D BE SUSPICIOUS..." among other things is every rape accusation ever fake or something?[/QUOTE] There just has been lately more events or situations where this has been proven true and it's completely fucked over the accused life and given a bad rep in people's minds over "I've been raped" cases. Pretty sure this happened to a facepuncher several months ago in the GD and it really handicapped him even when the case was proven to be poop
[QUOTE=Sir Drone;46086136]There just has been lately more events or situations where this has been proven true and it's completely fucked over the accused life and given a bad rep in people's minds over "I've been raped" cases. Pretty sure this happened to a facepuncher several months ago in the GD and it really handicapped him even when the case was proven to be poop[/QUOTE] ideally the public shouldn't be involved at all until a verdict is declared, but you can't really trust the justice system in a lot of cases so the whole system is fucked [editline]26th September 2014[/editline] it's just fucked up that pretty much every rape accusation is met with backlash
i hope sam dies a slow painful death and burns in hell :)
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;46077421] And look, this isn't directed at you specifically, but it really bothers me that whenever someone has been charged with a crime or alleged people usually assume guilt but when it's rape all the sudden it flips a switch in people's minds and they're like WELL I DUNNO EVIDENCE and it [I]really[/I] bothers me.[/QUOTE] Uhhh, no, you're pulling that out of your ass. Whenever someone is accused of rape, he or she usually gets lynched by the media right away, and he or she can basically forget having a career again for the rest of their lives, no matter whether they are guilty or not. People don't react any different to rape than to other crimes. Most will assume the accused to be guilty (also due to media hate-campaigns), and of course there will be people asking for evidence. Is asking for evidence wrong now?
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46087227]Uhhh, no, you're pulling that out of your ass. Whenever someone is accused of rape, he or she usually gets lynched by the media right away, and he or she can basically forget having a career again for the rest of their lives, no matter whether they are guilty or not. People don't react any different to rape than to other crimes. Most will assume the accused to be guilty (also due to media hate-campaigns), and of course there will be people asking for evidence. Is asking for evidence wrong now?[/QUOTE] nah nothing wrong with asking for evidence but it's pretty shitty when this dude videotapes himself sexually harrassing people and when people come forward with stories of him doing horribly escalated versions of the shit he videotaped his own damn self doing y'all are suddenly on some "well i dunno we'll have to wait to see the whole story :\"
[QUOTE=Derpmeifter;46087394]nah nothing wrong with asking for evidence but it's pretty shitty when this dude videotapes himself sexually harrassing people and when people come forward with stories of him doing horribly escalated versions of the shit he videotaped his own damn self doing y'all are suddenly on some "well i dunno we'll have to wait to see the whole story :\"[/QUOTE] There is a huge different between sexual harassment and rape. Saying that someone who sexually harassed a woman is automatically capable of rape is like saying if someone punches another person he is automatically capable of murder.
[QUOTE=mahrdlicka;46084500]Alright first off, I'm about to go off on the people saying I signed up just to post on this. And this is not the only thing I've posted on yet. I just have to find things I have to say about. If I could, i would punch some of the people on here through the computer. But you make sense and you're right about how anyone can falsify a rape claim. What about the people who give false testimonies in court as witnesses? Anyone can falsify anything. With or without "evidence", someone can be rightfully justified or wrongly accused. I just want to point out I am not just looking at what goes on in this video. The first thing you have to think is why would she want to get him in trouble? She's not his ex. He has had a web interview where he has clarified he has never had a girlfriend before. So you can tell she's not a crazed ex-girlfriend. She has witnesses to testify that she didn't know who he was in the first place. Why would she place a false testimony against a complete stranger without a reason? Then you look at other testimonies and facts. If you have seen the video of him grabbing ass and handcuffing girls until they agreed to make out with him, this can prove that he is willing to sexually assault women. It does not prove exactly that he raped this girl, but because he has shown how he is it makes it more likely that he did commit rape. Alright, I'm not saying he should go to Prison without proof. There would need to be testimonies, eye witnesses, and more on. I just want to point out if you look at other things aside from this video, you will have the common sense enough to see that he most likely did rape this girl. Just notice I said most likely, not that he for sure raped her. I go through and look at the details. I look deeper into this subject, rather than some people who just watch this video. I still believe he is a rapist but the government and law cannot call him a rapist without proof. [editline]26th September 2014[/editline] Okay, smartass. First off, what I signed up for is none of your business. And maybe I didn't know about this site right away because I have a life that doesn't include being a dumbass towards people and saying negative things about people's views. I have my views and you have yours, so if you don't respect my views, then why in the f*ck should I even care about what you think about this thread discussion? If you don't like what I have to say and think it's dumb than just ignore it. There are plenty of people here who feel the same way as me and you sure as hell didn't go getting all smartass with the rest of them. Again if you don't like what I have to say, then just IGNORE IT. If you are going to give a good point of view like some other people, like geogzm did, then okay. I try to look from all views at some point of time, unlike some people. But YOU just made a smartass comment and didn't give a decent argument or point of view. And I know she mentioned she's trying to get into the acting industry because I watched the full video and listened. You could have left out the oh also possibly/ probably a troll because that is what made you seem like a smartass more than anything else.[/QUOTE] Even if somebody doesn't appear to have a reason to fabricate a story, it doesn't make it any more right to prosecute somebody without evidence. [editline]27th September 2014[/editline] It should be considered and investigated thoroughly for the chance of finding proof, sure - but to detain him or charge him without finding that proof would be immoral.
[QUOTE=mahrdlicka;46084500]Alright first off, I'm about to go off on the people saying I signed up just to post on this. And this is not the only thing I've posted on yet. I just have to find things I have to say about. If I could, i would punch some of the people on here through the computer. But you make sense and you're right about how anyone can falsify a rape claim. What about the people who give false testimonies in court as witnesses? Anyone can falsify anything. With or without "evidence", someone can be rightfully justified or wrongly accused. I just want to point out I am not just looking at what goes on in this video. The first thing you have to think is why would she want to get him in trouble? She's not his ex. He has had a web interview where he has clarified he has never had a girlfriend before. So you can tell she's not a crazed ex-girlfriend. She has witnesses to testify that she didn't know who he was in the first place. Why would she place a false testimony against a complete stranger without a reason? Then you look at other testimonies and facts. If you have seen the video of him grabbing ass and handcuffing girls until they agreed to make out with him, this can prove that he is willing to sexually assault women. It does not prove exactly that he raped this girl, but because he has shown how he is it makes it more likely that he did commit rape. Alright, I'm not saying he should go to Prison without proof. There would need to be testimonies, eye witnesses, and more on. I just want to point out if you look at other things aside from this video, you will have the common sense enough to see that he most likely did rape this girl. Just notice I said most likely, not that he for sure raped her. I go through and look at the details. I look deeper into this subject, rather than some people who just watch this video. I still believe he is a rapist but the government and law cannot call him a rapist without proof. [editline]26th September 2014[/editline] Okay, smartass. First off, what I signed up for is none of your business. And maybe I didn't know about this site right away because I have a life that doesn't include being a dumbass towards people and saying negative things about people's views. I have my views and you have yours, so if you don't respect my views, then why in the f*ck should I even care about what you think about this thread discussion? If you don't like what I have to say and think it's dumb than just ignore it. There are plenty of people here who feel the same way as me and you sure as hell didn't go getting all smartass with the rest of them. Again if you don't like what I have to say, then just IGNORE IT. If you are going to give a good point of view like some other people, like geogzm did, then okay. I try to look from all views at some point of time, unlike some people. But YOU just made a smartass comment and didn't give a decent argument or point of view. And I know she mentioned she's trying to get into the acting industry because I watched the full video and listened. You could have left out the oh also possibly/ probably a troll because that is what made you seem like a smartass more than anything else.[/QUOTE] Bigotry in every second sentence.
Lmao people are defending this guy what a joke, get over yourself, the guys a cunt [editline]27th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=mahrdlicka;46084500]Alright first off, I'm about to go off on the people saying I signed up just to post on this. And this is not the only thing I've posted on yet. I just have to find things I have to say about. If I could, i would punch some of the people on here through the computer. [/QUOTE] So you signed up just to post about this AND you're an internet tough guy nice, you'll fit here nicely
What the fuck, he targets women in like every fucking video [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzTkX2XPNEk&list=UUKGiTasUqLcZUuUjQiyKotw[/media] What a god damn creep
[QUOTE=Saturn V;46089174]What the fuck, he targets women in like every fucking video [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzTkX2XPNEk&list=UUKGiTasUqLcZUuUjQiyKotw[/media] What a god damn creep[/QUOTE] Not to mention an example of textbook misogyny at it's finest.
[QUOTE=mahrdlicka;46084500]You could have left out the oh also possibly/ probably a troll because that is what made you seem like a smartass more than anything else.[/QUOTE] On the topic of things you should probably leave out when you reply to people: [QUOTE=mahrdlicka;46084500]If I could, i would punch some of the people on here through the computer.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=mahrdlicka;46084500]I have a life that doesn't include being a dumbass[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pokeman493;46089188]Not to mention an example of textbook misogyny at it's finest.[/QUOTE] Nope its really not at all. Not even close to it. There isnt anything discriminated in this, or hatred towards women or any of that jazz for that matter in the video. The word you are looking for is Asshole, or Douche, or Cockangler.
[QUOTE=Pokeman493;46089188]Not to mention an example of textbook misogyny at it's finest.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46091676]Nope its really not at all. Not even close to it. There isnt anything discriminated in this, or hatred towards women or any of that jazz for that matter in the video. The word you are looking for is Asshole, or Douche, or Cockangler.[/QUOTE] actually chauvinist but those are fairly good substitutes EDIT: actually no I'm probably wrong
I think the point a prank is no longer a prank is when you have to beg for your face not to be pushed in.
[QUOTE=TheHydra;46085872]anyone else find it weird that literally every time a rape accusation comes up a bunch of people come in to say "SHE'S PROBABLY FAKING" "I DID A GOOGLE SEARCH AND FOUND THIS AND THIS SO I'D BE SUSPICIOUS..." among other things is every rape accusation ever fake or something?[/QUOTE] its because a rape accusation is an easy way to destroy someones reputation. Even it if turns out to be fake, the blury context of a situation like this will leave a lot of people actually believing the person is guilty, given the wide space to make assumptions it makes. Apart from being a vicious crime, it becomes a "ones word agaisnt the others". 1.- The victim was scared so it didnt file it until after some time 2.- No physical evidence so they cant deny or prove it its not like saying the person is a murderer, then you can go and find out if the person is dead, missing or whatever. Theres nothing to find, at least in that aspect. Im not saying this is bullshit because i honestly dont know, but for me its easy to see that a rape accusation is the easiest/fastest way of destroying someones reputation even without having to actually prove anything. Hes been accused of one of the worst crimes that are out there thats staying with him forever.
Probably already explained but for those wondering why Sam was labelled "Facebook User" in those screenshots. When you either delete your account or block a user on FB, all conversations you had with them is labelled as Facebook User. If you type their previous name into your messenger search box, it'll come up with your chats with them even if they're called Facebook User The more you know [editline]28th September 2014[/editline] Also timestamps only appear when the chat is super old for some reason, but most of the time the date will appear up above and the time beside it (in 24hr format) The only proper way to verify timestamps properly is through the facebook messenger app, here's an example on the desktop [IMG]http://puu.sh/bQMt4/49a3c73580.png[/IMG] On mobile (like I said) it's fairly easy, just push the bubble and all you need to know is there [t]http://i.imgur.com/GdR9bvL.jpg[/t] So verifying those chats aren't a huge issue at all [editline]28th September 2014[/editline] I also agree with the entire thing about common sense. It wasn't their fault for getting raped/sexually assaulted at all let me make that painfully clear but the fact they went to see him in places such as his house at ungodly hours would ring alarm bells even for me. I honestly would've met him in a public place during daylight hours instead of concealed places where there's little to no witnesses of your confrontation with him, but that's just me and mistakes happen. In regards also to the people saying "WHY DID THEY WAIT SO LONG?", it's really not that easy to come out as soon as it happens. See the last thing you want to do is draw attention to yourself so you need to wait for that perfect time, and that perfect time is now. They're not idiots or retards for waiting years upon years to confess, talking about your experience in regards to rape is not easy. While she did sound very scripted (b&w girl with the eyes cut off) you can't really tell her how to describe her ordeal. It's hard to explain I think a lot of you including the anti-SJW mob need to settle the fuck down
[QUOTE=bilo;46087509]There is a huge different between sexual harassment and rape. Saying that someone who sexually harassed a woman is automatically capable of rape is like saying if someone punches another person he is automatically capable of murder.[/QUOTE] There is a difference of scale, but when one engages in such conduct so systematically that they even make a career out of it, they establish a pattern of behavior, from which escalation is plausible, in a sexual situation it's even to be expected.
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