How about the waiters do something about getting below minimum wage rather than expect tips from everyone?
[QUOTE=WingedAssailant;38074544]How about the waiters do something about getting below minimum wage rather than expect tips from everyone?[/QUOTE]
What are they going to do? Demand their boss pay them more? Lets see how that blows over.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;38072713]To get to ramble on about how botched up your system/service culture is :)[/QUOTE]
Except its not really botched up?
Literally nobody has a problem with it over here except people who are cheapasses, teenagers, or not from America.
You guys don't tip your waiters. That's great. I like to tip my waiters. This means my tipping style would probably not be appropreate to the customs of your country, and they would actually be insulting to the customs of a country like Japan. You don't look at other cultures and go "Hah, you guys are fucking stupid" because their history/society has created a culture that does one thing a certain way over another country/ethnic group/society that does that same thing in a different way.
Just as I wouldn't be expected to tip whereever you live if I happened to move there, you would be expected to tip if you moved here. But I might also be expected to make other changes if I moved to where you live - such as not having a job/education more than 10 miles away due to congestion/gas, or something like that. Lifestyles are different depending on where you live and its wise to accept that instead of just saying everything is stupid except for how you do things. That's what tolerance is at the root of it. Even if it's hard to be "tolerant" twoards a country people love to hate on, and people (who don't live there mind you) have a misconception of that country being uncultured or having no real history behind it.
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[QUOTE=WingedAssailant;38074544]How about the waiters do something about getting below minimum wage rather than expect tips from everyone?[/QUOTE]
Because generally waiters who actually work as waiters in america do it because they like how they get paid in that sector. Some people like being rewarded for working during busy hours (by getting more tips), and theres a much greater feel of fufilment when you get paid to actually do your job better instead of just being paid by the hour.
Other workers don't like the idea of "living off commishion" - or in other words, they don't like the idea that they don't make a consistent amount of money, and there is compeititon to do your best to make the "most" commision.
Also, the raw money you get in your week is a nice bonus. Most part time jobs pay every 2 weeks in the US via a check. If you are a waiter, you have money in your pocket at the end of your night every shift, in addition to that paycheck. Thats a nice bonus for a lot of people, especially since most waiters end up making a little more than minimum wage when you include all their tips/hourly wages. It's the perfect part time job for making a decent low-class living without having to work in a factory, and being able to easily work part time for school while affording your own education/rent, etc.
What's up with americans obsession with tipping.
Here in Sweden no-one gives a shit if you tip or not.
Last time i went to America i didn't tip anyone, screw that
[QUOTE=FPChris;38077611]What's up with americans obsession with tipping.
Here in Sweden no-one gives a shit if you tip or not.[/QUOTE]
Waiters are horribly underpaid in a lot America (below minimum wage) so tips are required to allow them to make a decent living.
Its a fucked up system.
In uk its illegal to "top up" wages with tips, that is to say you must be paid above minimum wage then get tips on top of that.
Its "expected" to pay 10%, though poor server usually means leaving without tipping. Sometimes its called "service charge".
A friend of mine used to work in a wedding venue where he was tipped very generously, he was pretty social guy, the hitch was that the tips are put into a central pot then shared among all staff. So the tip he "earned" ended up mostly going to supervisors, managers and the other waiters.
It all seems abit silly and formalised. If you enjoyed the meal, liked the service/person then if you want to tip them you should be able to tip them, not the entire staff.
[QUOTE=legolover122;38067676]In virginia (and most other places in the US) minimum wage for tipped employees is $2.13 an hour ( [url]http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#Virginia[/url] )
One cannot fucking live off 2 dollars and 13 cents an hour.
They need the tips.[/QUOTE]
They do make $2.13/hr as their base pay, but if they end up making less than $7.25/hr with tips included their employer is required to pay them the difference.
I usually give a decent tip unless the person was a prick or just gave bad service. The ones that do their job and have fun with it and make your experience at their restaurant great get a good one.
I gave my friend a 20 dollar tip once, it was like his 2nd or 3rd week working at the place and so i took some friends there.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;38074952]What are they going to do? Demand their boss pay them more? Lets see how that blows over.[/QUOTE]
Im not saying they should go to their boses and tell them they want more. Im saying take it higher up
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