Why You Shouldn't Use Discord - Asaratha HS - General

I was pretty hesitant to use Discord up to just a few months ago. I find it to be far more flexible than Skype and with more cosmetic features that make servers unique. Having chat rooms that don't call everyone at once is a serious plus

[QUOTE=chuck14;52509213]I think discord's servers are pretty good at mimicking a skype group, just invite a bunch of people and dont bother with roles. whoever made it can kick/add people, and you dont have to constantly call the entire group at once without making a new one.[/QUOTE] Not only that but you only need to invite someone and boom they can use it, no account needed its so simplified that any idiot could use it [editline]26th July 2017[/editline] No installation and account creation just... click and go. The account stuff comes when you feel like it

Honestly after using Skype for the longest time, Discord is pretty handy. If you use any sort of social-related service at all you can expect data being stored on their end so it's like, no matter what you can't really get around it unless you shut yourself off from pretty much everything.

It's pretty sad that it's skype people are comparing it too. Skype has pretty universally been garbage pretty much since the beginning. Also this privacy nihilism people seem to have is pretty disturbing. It very well is possible for discord to have been a self-hosted open federated app, with the ability still to use official servers for people who want it to be plug-and-play with access to official support.

and this guy used to be a mod on facepunch

Discord's ToS is enough to keep me from ever touching it: [Quote]YOUR CONTENT Any data, text, graphics, photographs and their selection and arrangement, and any other materials uploaded to the Service by you is “Your Content.” You represent and warrant that Your Content is original to you and that you exclusively own the rights to such content, including the right to grant all of the rights and licenses in these Terms without the Company incurring any third party obligations or liability arising out of its exercise of such rights and licenses. All of Your Content is your sole responsibility and the Company is not responsible for any material that you upload, post, or otherwise make available.By uploading, distributing, transmitting or otherwise using Your Content with the Service, [B]you grant to us a perpetual, nonexclusive, transferable, royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use, host, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display Your Content in connection with operating and providing the Service.[/B]The Company does not guarantee the accuracy, quality, or integrity of any user content posted.[/quote]

I don't really see how the guy in the video is wrong? Pretty funny/concerning how quickly people will throw their security concerns out the window as long as they like the company/application

[QUOTE=glitchvid;52509554]Discord's ToS is enough to keep me from ever touching it:[/QUOTE] But you are okay with twitter doing exactly the same? [QUOTE] You retain your rights to any Content you submit, post or display on or through the Services. What’s yours is yours — you own your Content (and your photos and videos are part of the Content). [B]By submitting, posting or displaying Content on or through the Services, you grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, reproduce, process, adapt, modify, publish, transmit, display and distribute such Content in any and all media or distribution methods (now known or later developed).[/B] This license authorizes us to make your Content available to the rest of the world and to let others do the same. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;52509619]I don't really see how the guy in the video is wrong? Pretty funny/concerning how quickly people will throw their security concerns out the window as long as they like the company/application[/QUOTE] There's a difference between security and privacy, and people aren't as bothered about the latter

[QUOTE=zoox;52509627]But you are okay with twitter doing exactly the same?[/QUOTE] Twitter is social media, you're clearly posting public information, and there's no real alternative. I would prefer if their ToS was less invasive, however it's what is to be expected from it's Ilk.

I like Discord but sometimes i get a bit tired of the meme stuff they force in. I get it they are trying to appeal to the hip gamers and teens but still

[QUOTE=Asaratha;52510498] FP are bastions of rights to privacy/security until its something they like[/QUOTE] But isn't that how privacy works? No one else gets to determine who has access to my privacy, I get to decide that, because I like something, they get it. Isn't that how it works? It's a bit different than say, Facebook, or Amazon, which create "Ghost" profiles for you regardless of whether you want an account or not. I can opt in, or opt out. I'm knowingly opting in. That conforms entirely to being a "Bastion of privacy/security".

Literally every social media platform does this. Why the big hooha? The guys making it out like Discord are pulling the rug out under our feet like they're the first to do it. The only platform I can think of that protects users and has copyright settings for users is Flickr. Not even Artstation does this. (maybe if you have the pro version, I don't know.) Everyone is out to sell your personal information, no need to single out one company in the sea of others doing the same.

Here's the gist of it. If you don't care about a company knowing about the shitty memes you post, then use Discord. It's free, pretty low latency, and easy to set up. If you care about every asset of your privacy (why are you using Windows at all then, or even a large ISP), and don't mind paying for a server (or have the means to set up your own server), then use Mumble. It's open source and also quite low latency. Personally, while I do care about privacy to some degree, I don't care so much that I'm scared of Discord knowing about the shitposts in my personal Discord. As such, I'll continue using it. Mumble is a great alternative though. I only stopped using it because my server provider was starting to shit the bed a lot, and if that happens with Discord, it's as simple as changing the server location in the application. It's a great bit of convenience that I don't mind giving away little tiny bits of my privacy away for, and the extra features over Mumble are nice. If Discord eventually decides to pull a Skype and shove in ads, or just completely goes to shit in terms of voice quality and latency, then I'll definitely go back to Mumble.

Mumble and TeamSpeak have always had significantly lower voice quality for me out of the box. Discord is pretty much unmatched interms of how simple it is to set up, and the voice quality is so much better right off the bat. This video should've been titled "Discord collects your information" or something rather than making a title assumption that a user will stop using it because it collects information, despite the fact that Discord is generally more convenient than its competitors. Ultimately people in the thread are going to be oppose the premise of ditching Discord because lots of other services already collect data on you. It diminishes the information you've provided (not by any fault of your own).

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52510643]"but facebook does it" is essentially your excuse here and thats not really a valid excuse using that line of logic is dangerous and can be applied to almost fuckin anything to make "it ok"[/QUOTE] In africa theft is legal, that makes it ok to do tbh

[QUOTE=J!NX;52508958]What a useless thing to have posted lmao[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=J!NX;52511076]In africa theft is legal, that makes it ok to do tbh[/QUOTE] Trimming your sails a bit?

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[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52510643]"but facebook does it" is essentially your excuse here and thats not really a valid excuse using that line of logic is dangerous and can be applied to almost fuckin anything to make "it ok"[/QUOTE] Just don't use it then?

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52510643]"but facebook does it" is essentially your excuse here and thats not really a valid excuse using that line of logic is dangerous and can be applied to almost fuckin anything to make "it ok"[/QUOTE] I don't like Facebooks policy on this, but lets be frank If people [B]DID[/B] stop using it, that would cause change. Anything short of that, and I do mean anything, is nothing but whining and bellyaching to them. Thousands, if not millions of people share my views on Facebook, lots of them have accounts. You know what that tells Facebook? "Everything we do is fine, even if they whine". So yes, not using it is the only actual answer to "I don't like this" in this case cause nothing else will make them listen.

A while ago me and a friend tested some link tracing via discord and found when you send links multiple IPs flag up, specifically these were traced to the actual company that runs the program. So I can only assume right now that discord has a multiple log registry going on and will save anything you say or link through their application (or at least are viewing it). I'm not sure if this means discord spies on you, but I'd be careful using it.

[QUOTE=Wickerman123;52510612]Literally every social media platform does this. Why the big hooha? The guys making it out like Discord are pulling the rug out under our feet like they're the first to do it. The only platform I can think of that protects users and has copyright settings for users is Flickr. Not even Artstation does this. (maybe if you have the pro version, I don't know.) Everyone is out to sell your personal information, no need to single out one company in the sea of others doing the same.[/QUOTE] if I killed millions of jews would "but hitler did it" be a good excuse?

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52511343]thats what the video was saying yes did you even watch it[/QUOTE] Not the entire thing.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;52511070]Mumble and TeamSpeak have always had significantly lower voice quality for me out of the box. Discord is pretty much unmatched interms of how simple it is to set up, and the voice quality is so much better right off the bat. [/QUOTE] What version of mumble did you last use? It's been on Opus since 2013, and you can trivially pump the bitrate up to 96kb/s. I think Teamspeak is similar, but I don't use it so ymmv. When I've had to use Discord it seemed lower quality than mumble, mainly because it seemed to lack noise reduction, and didn't auto-gain everyone's mics, so you had people with loud mics, and people you could barely hear, that doesn't happen in mumble.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52511515]mumble, ts and dicsord all use the same codec dont they? pretty sure mumble uses the same as TS, remember that discord lets you set a bitrate per voice channel. [t]http://i.imgur.com/KdOzNO1.png[/t][/QUOTE] I know Mumble uses Opus, I think TS has it as an option, dunno if it's default. Discord likely uses it too. It's mainly down to processing, for example Mumble auto-gains playback, so if you have more than two people in a channel it's a much more pleasant listening experience. [editline]later[/editline] Mumble (Advanced) Input tab for ref: [t]https://s.gvid.me/s/2017/07/27/a2d866.png[/t]

[QUOTE=Vasili;52511357]A while ago me and a friend tested some link tracing via discord and found when you send links multiple IPs flag up, specifically these were traced to the actual company that runs the program. So I can only assume right now that discord has a multiple log registry going on and will save anything you say or link through their application (or at least are viewing it). I'm not sure if this means discord spies on you, but I'd be careful using it.[/QUOTE] If you inspect element in discord (because discord is literally just a chromium wrapper) you can see that when you post a link, what gets embedded is actually a link to the thumbnail on discord's servers (something like images-ext-2.discordapp.net). So every link you've sent, even if you delete the message, has a cached version on discord's servers.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52511410]what is this post, i have no idea what you are saying aside from "no its ok because people still use facebook knowingly" and?[/QUOTE] The companies think it's fine because people don't actually leave or act up. I don't think it's fine, I don't like it, but there's a hypocrisy to the people that whine and do nothing and enable Facebook or the like to keep doing it because it hasn't hurt them. People's apathy plays in their favour, actions speak a lot louder than a Facebook post about how Facebook is stealing your info. I doubt anyone here really thinks it's supper okay that they do what they do, but no one really does anything contrary to prevent it.

[QUOTE=Lolcats;52511592]If you inspect element in discord (because discord is literally just a chromium wrapper) you can see that when you post a link, what gets embedded is actually a link to the thumbnail on discord's servers (something like images-ext-2.discordapp.net). So every link you've sent, even if you delete the message, has a cached version on discord's servers.[/QUOTE] Uploading a file (image) and deleting it doesn't matter if you've saved the URL pointing to it. I haven't checked if it's actually deleted in the long run though.

[QUOTE=Asaratha;52511696]i can't tell, are you for or agaisnt what i say in this video? you're typing a lot but saying very little[/QUOTE] Probably for, if you're actively not using other services like Facebook which also collect similar information. But against, if you're saying this and continuing to support the practice by using other services like Facebook

[QUOTE=aussiedropbear;52509002]I hope he doesn't use any social media, anything google, a computer or a smartphone if he's this concerned about people selling his info of all things I'd be least concerned about discord stealing my information (oh no they can see my shitty memes and random chit chat with people).[/QUOTE] Not even I have gone that far and people still call me paranoid on a daily basis. It's stupid to call people paranoid nowadays, because we know a lot more than we did 4 years ago.