Undercover Cop Tricks Autistic Student into Selling Him Weed
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[QUOTE=papaya;45342490]the hell kinda schools do you guys go to jeez
[editline]10th July 2014[/editline]
buying illegal drugs for others is not normal[/QUOTE]
teenage schoolkids smoke weed quite often and buy from friends where i live, typically
it's not that unusual. about as unusual as kids this age smoking tobacco
Beyond infuriating. Homicide inducing.
[QUOTE=noh_mercy;45342365]short answer no, its not entrapment.
take a look at this, it clears up most myths about entrapment.
[URL]http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/19810672629/12-i-was-entrapped[/URL]
for example, if I was an undercover cop, I could come to you, offer you $10k for delivering boxes of meth to a 'friend' of mine, and if you take those boxes and the money, you are guilty and not entrapped. They believe that if that drug dealer was a normal person, you still would have done the crime, the cop didn't make you commit the crime.
I really hat to say this, but, the only way to avoid these situations is to be a genuinely law abiding citizen. Or know who you are dealing with. And yes I am truly disgusted by these practices.[/QUOTE]
This situation is different because the cop continually pressured the kid to do something that is illegal. So no, this is still entrapment, if he would just go up and ask for weed once and he got it there would be no entrapment. They asked the kids almost everyday to buy get them drugs, knowingly picking the kids that are the outcasts. [B]THE COP EVEN ASKED JESSE TO SELL HIM HIS MEDICATION, HE KNEW OF HIS PROBLEMS.[/B]
i'm too lazy to get a source but i read somewhere that the war on drugs hasn't made any difference to drug related crimes whatsoever over the past like 30 years or something, so all the time and money put into the war on drugs has amounted to no progress whatsoever, so the fact that this cop targeted the kid for over six weeks just shows how ridiculous it really is
There's a lot of places where you can find sources on that.
[QUOTE=papaya;45342490]the hell kinda schools do you guys go to jeez
[editline]10th July 2014[/editline]
buying illegal drugs for others is not normal[/QUOTE]
kids deal drugs at like every high school ever
Hell, pretty much everyone I hung out with in High School could be considered part of a 'drug ring' when in reality it was just immature kids smoking and sellings small amounts of Mexican shit weed at the park to buy more cigarettes and shit weed.
[QUOTE=Shark Cat;45343715]i'm too lazy to get a source but i read somewhere that the war on drugs hasn't made any difference to drug related crimes whatsoever over the past like 30 years or something, so all the time and money put into the war on drugs has amounted to no progress whatsoever, so the fact that this cop targeted the kid for over six weeks just shows how ridiculous it really is[/QUOTE]
the retired cop guy in the video says something like that
I'm pretty sure this is entrapment if the undercover cop just kept asking him for weeks to get him weed.
However i'm not an expert on law.
[QUOTE=locojaws;45343913]kids deal drugs at like every high school ever[/QUOTE]
the only ones at my school who did were social outcasts
they weren't 'normal'.
nobody who actively uses illegal drugs can be considered normal
Every time someone says "He/she has Aspergers " I get mad because Aspergers is not an officially recognized disorder anymore, it's just "autism".
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On another note, I'd love to try weed some day, but the whole "illegal" bit is kinda getting in the way and I have a very weird moral compass in the sense that "It's illegal, so I shouldn't". Better safe than sorry and all that.
But eh, given recent events it probably won't be long until it's legalized over here anyway.
[quote]Every time someone says "He/she has Aspergers " I get mad because Aspergers is not an officially recognized disorder anymore, it's just "autism".[/quote]
That's stupid.
Aspergers is still an officially recognized disorder, it's just listed under Autism in the new DSM.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;45346501]That's stupid.
Aspergers is still an officially recognized disorder, it's just listed under Autism in the new DSM.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.dsm5.org/Pages/Default.aspx[/url]
[url]http://www.autismspeaks.org/dsm-5/faq#asperger[/url]
[quote]The new classification system [B]eliminates the previously separate subcategories[/B] on the autism spectrum, [B]including Asperger syndrome, PDD-NOS, childhood disintegrative disorder and autistic disorder[/B]. These subcategories will be [B]folded into the broad term autism spectrum disorder (ASD)[/B].[/quote]
It "exists", but it's no longer called Aspergers, and no respectable psychologist will refer to it as such.
So it's only a matter of semantics and in the end instead of Aspergers it's "that part of the autism spectrum disorder that's basically aspergers".
Like who cares we're not psychologists and we're not talking to our patients.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;45346526][url]http://www.dsm5.org/Pages/Default.aspx[/url]
[url]http://www.autismspeaks.org/dsm-5/faq#asperger[/url]
It "exists", but it's no longer called Aspergers, and no respectable psychologist will refer to it as such.[/QUOTE]
Psychology is kind of a shit field anyway.
[QUOTE=elowin;45346943]Psychology is kind of a shit field anyway.[/QUOTE]
"understanding and exploring the mind and its complexities is stupid"
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;45347002]"understanding and exploring the mind and its complexities is stupid"[/QUOTE]
Psychiatry is better because you actually have legal rights to impact on said mind instead of basically having your line of work limited to staring at a guy and telling him "yep, you got issues alright"
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45347080]Psychiatry is better because you actually have legal rights to impact on said mind instead of basically having your line of work limited to staring at a guy and telling him "yep, you got issues alright"[/QUOTE]
Psychiatry is looking at someone with a problem and saying "Here, ingest these chemicals for X amounts of weeks/months/years" instead of actually figuring out what the problem is.
Psychiatry is a last resort if nothing else has worked. Stay awake from medicines unless absolutely nothing else has helped.
(I have a bias against psychiatrists.)
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;45346330]Every time someone says "He/she has Aspergers " I get mad because Aspergers is not an officially recognized disorder anymore, it's just "autism".
[editline]10th July 2014[/editline]
On another note, I'd love to try weed some day, but the whole "illegal" bit is kinda getting in the way and I have a very weird moral compass in the sense that "It's illegal, so I shouldn't". Better safe than sorry and all that.
But eh, given recent events it probably won't be long until it's legalized over here anyway.[/QUOTE]
It's not recognised on it's own in the DSM-5 but it is in other diagnostic manuals/criteria i.e. the ICD-10, Gillberg, Szatmari.
If you have trusted friends who use it and have a good source, go for it. Otherwise you might end up getting ripped off by dealers and you probably don't really want to get involved with them anyway.
[QUOTE=locojaws;45343913]kids deal drugs at like every high school ever[/QUOTE]
Only in America it seems
[QUOTE=hullmar;45347790]Only in America it seems[/QUOTE]
seriously
if its this big and common of a thing, maybe the government needs to do [I]more[/I]
[QUOTE=papaya;45346141]nobody who actively uses illegal drugs can be considered normal[/QUOTE]
What an utterly retarded statement
This is absolutely disgusting. Shame on the officer.
[QUOTE=papaya;45346141]the only ones at my school who did were social outcasts
they weren't 'normal'.
nobody who actively uses illegal drugs can be considered normal[/QUOTE]
you are either the least observant person ever or live in a puritan colony. i am 100% certain that there are more people who do drugs than you know
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like seriously, especially if it is weed. i know more people who smoke weed or did smoke it but temporarily stopped during a job search than i do know people who don't, and i was never in the "stoner" or whatever social circles
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also lol @ supporting prohibition
[QUOTE=papaya;45346141]the only ones at my school who did were social outcasts
they weren't 'normal'.
nobody who actively uses illegal drugs can be considered normal[/QUOTE]
I guess by definition, you're right. But if pot is legal in some states recreationally, does that mean some people who smoke are social outcasts and some are okay just because of the legal jurisdiction of their environment?
[QUOTE=MedicWine;45349204]I guess by definition, you're right. But if pot is legal in some states recreationally, does that mean some people who smoke are social outcasts and some are okay just because of the legal jurisdiction of their environment?[/QUOTE]
if its legal then it's not an illegal drug
if its legal then its their own fault for being stupid enough to use it. If it's illegal, then they're also breaking the law and therefore twice as stupid
[QUOTE=papaya;45349229]if its legal then it's not an illegal drug
if its legal then its their own fault for being stupid enough to use it. If it's illegal, then they're also breaking the law and therefore twice as stupid[/QUOTE]
You must be just a blast to be around.
[QUOTE=papaya;45349229]if its legal then it's not an illegal drug
if its legal then its their own fault for being stupid enough to use it. If it's illegal, then they're also breaking the law and therefore twice as stupid[/QUOTE]
why is it somehow inherently stupider to do because of an arbitrary court ruling
[QUOTE=papaya;45341181]this interviewer is a bit of an idiot too
"a kid buying half a gram of marijuana for his friend [...] It's just kids being kids"
no it isnt[/QUOTE]
So... What? Is it a kid selling half a kilo of heroine to another?
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[QUOTE=papaya;45342490]the hell kinda schools do you guys go to jeez
[editline]10th July 2014[/editline]
buying illegal drugs for others is not normal[/QUOTE]
Thats regular standard in like, every single normal educational establishment known as "high school" or higher...
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[QUOTE=papaya;45346141]the only ones at my school who did were social outcasts
they weren't 'normal'.
nobody who actively uses illegal drugs can be considered normal[/QUOTE]
are you a cop or some kind of christian preacher or whatever they are called?
You always call it "illegal drugs" as if weed was some kind of messed up drug. While it is illegal, its like, the least harmful of any drugs out there. I think most people only consider illegal drugs to be those messed up drugs like cocain and shit like that.
And almost everyone at my school at least tried weed. That's part of a normal high school experience. Even the nerdy kids tried it. Even the cool kids. Hell, some of the cool kids were the ones selling it. We didn't quite have social outcasts anyway.
I sadly didn't. Tried hash instead.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;45346330]Every time someone says "He/she has Aspergers " I get mad because Aspergers is not an officially recognized disorder anymore, it's just "autism".
[editline]10th July 2014[/editline]
On another note, I'd love to try weed some day, but the whole "illegal" bit is kinda getting in the way and I have a very weird moral compass in the sense that "It's illegal, so I shouldn't". Better safe than sorry and all that.
But eh, given recent events it probably won't be long until it's legalized over here anyway.[/QUOTE]
And every time someone says this, I get mad because [I]there's no way I'm going to tell people I'm autistic when I just have aspergers.[/I]
Like imagine the vast difference in the message people get if you tell them you have autism vs if you have aspergers.
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