Halo 4 UNSC Weapons - General

Of the Spartan III project, these are the known active Spartans: Lucy-B091 Tom-B292 Ash-G099 Mark-G??? Olivia-G??? And the unknowns are Jun-A266, Spartan-B170, Kai-A019 and Rosenda-344 [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] That's 14 Spartans from both the SII and III project that we know for CERTAIN are alive and active. Hell I haven't even checked if there are any surviving Spartan I's, but you catch my drift.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146249]Current non-MIA Spartan II's: Spartan-010: Naomi Spartan-058: Linda Spartan-062: Maria Spartan-087: Kelly Spartan-101: Victor Spartan-104: Frederic Black-One Black-Two Black-Three That's NOT including the ones that we don't know what happened to, like Adriana or Jerome. [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] We know for sure of 9 surviving Spartan II's alone, not including III's. Rethink your argument.[/QUOTE] As I have said, I have not been big on Halo lore since Reach, they were established as back in action after Reach.

That's not true at all, you're saying "Oh I never cared about the lore until reach, but trust me they werent listed as active before i started reading the lore i swear guys!"

Halo: Grasslands established them as active, Grasslands came out after Reach. Jesus why are you so hostile.

Also the more you know, Sgt. Johnson is [sp](A now KIA)[/sp] Spartan I. [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37146348]Halo: Grasslands established them as active, Grasslands came out after Reach. Jesus why are you so hostile.[/QUOTE] I'm telling you you're wrong and you're denying it in front of me, I've been into the lore for ages now and it was never established that those Spartans were killed in action. The "Spartans never die, they're only MIA" doesn't apply to the actual records, only to the public so they don't freak out. What makes you think every living Spartan was listed as MIA when they never went missing?

Who even cares about the canonicity of a non plot centric ingame weapon? As long as it doesn't look terribly out of place in the Halo universe I don't really care, and it doesn't.

Yeah, it's something that is completely plausible for the series and it looks fun as shit to use.

I like the weapon variety and there's no doubt this game will be fun as fuck but honestly i think all of the weapons (aside from the spartan laser and the sticky bomb thing) sound like complete shit. they all sound so tacky and retarded, especially the rocket launcher. it's like they used a really, really low quality microphone to record real-world guns and tried to put it into a futuristic fast paced action shooter. they don't fit at all and sound stupid in my opinion

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146354]Also the more you know, Sgt. Johnson is [sp](A now KIA)[/sp] Spartan I. [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] I'm telling you you're wrong and you're denying it in front of me, I've been into the lore for ages now and it was never established that those Spartans were killed in action. The "Spartans never die, they're only MIA" doesn't apply to the actual records, only to the public so they don't freak out. What makes you think every living Spartan was listed as MIA when they never went missing?[/QUOTE] 1. I never blatantly denied anything, it is called an argument and you should learn to have one. 2. I have been into the lore for ages as well, and I stopped almost three bloody years ago; you think I will have everything pefectly memorized? 3. It was no so they do not freak out, it is so they get a sense of inspiration and pride from it. 4. Because it was established MC was the last known (KNOWN BY THE UNSC) living spartan until the Grasslands novels.

The UNSC is so cool. Space facsists for lyfe.

its not even dubstep lol

But that's not true at all, like what are you talking about dude. It was never denied that there were surviving Spartans that were known about, it was just never mentioned. what do you think that it means that the instant any of the books ended everyone just forgot the Spartans who came home and said "lol we won"? Also for 3. It was a mix of both. If it was shown that their super-soldiers could die that'd fuck up morale big time. It was to stop mass panic due to people thinking "oh fuck the covenant just killed 50% of the spartans, if the spartys cant save us no one can!"

Oh god that was incredible. Every weapon has this satisfying "[b]THUMP[/b]" or "[b]THWAMP[/b]" or "[b]CHUNKACHUNKACHUNKACHUNKA[/b]". Good god.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37145859]Like I said, Master Chief is presumed dead and there are no other spartans left. [editline]8th August 2012[/editline] It appears in story though. And in the story all the UNSC weapons come from the Infinity which just has standard humans on board. [editline]8th August 2012[/editline] Wait what? Fuck I gotta go read up again. Sorry all. [editline]8th August 2012[/editline] Halo Wars completely disregarded canon, ODST made ODST's into some sort of super bad ass A-teams, Reach also disregarded canon constantly. Do not get me wrong I loved all of them but it is true.[/QUOTE] Halo Wars did not break canon in any way, just expanded upon the expanded universe. If you are referring to the flood in halo war, there was mention of the flood being encountered by the USNC in the expanded universe before Halo wars existed, and around the same time period of it. ODST's were always "some sort of super bad ass A - Teams" They are the best of the best of the UNSC infantry (next to the spartan project ofcourse.) Lastly Reach never did break canon either. The Halo universe is handed very delicately, and if things change, there is a legit reason because of it. You really need to learn more about Halo's lore and expanded universe.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146592]But that's not true at all, like what are you talking about dude. It was never denied that there were surviving Spartans that were known about, it was just never mentioned. what do you think that it means that the instant any of the books ended everyone just forgot the Spartans who came home and said "lol we won"? Also for 3. It was a mix of both. If it was shown that their super-soldiers could die that'd fuck up morale big time. It was to stop mass panic due to people thinking "oh fuck the covenant just killed 50% of the spartans, if the spartys cant save us no one can!"[/QUOTE] Stop being such a prick over the shaky canon of a fucking video game dude.

You know you're wrong so you're backpedaling like mad now you could've left without using names and had your argument keep SOME validity.

[QUOTE=Delta616;37146639]Halo Wars did not break canon in any way, just expanded upon the expanded universe.[/QUOTE] MAC rounds tear planets in half, there were no ships with two MAC's, the arbiters armor was destroyed, spartans do not have shields (when that model of armor had them), the spirit is listed as a destroyer, to name a few. [QUOTE=Delta616;37146639]If you are referring to the flood in halo war, there was mention of the flood being encountered by the USNC in the expanded universe before Halo wars existed,[/QUOTE] This is one of the few things I considered made sense, the Spirit never made it back to human space and thus could never tell anyone the flood existed. [QUOTE=Delta616;37146639] and around the same time period of it. ODST's were always "some sort of super bad ass A - Teams" They are the best of the best of the UNSC infantry (next to the spartan project ofcourse.)[/QUOTE] They were shown to have military organization like the marines, ODST gave a small team of ODST's led by a gunnery sergeant a demolitions expert and a sniper. [QUOTE=Delta616;37146639] Lastly Reach never did break canon either. The Halo universe is handed very delicately, and if things change, there is a legit reason because of it. You really need to learn more about Halo's lore and expanded universe.[/QUOTE] Dr. Halsey didn't know about the SPARTAN IIIs until Halo Ghosts of Onyx, but she clearly knew about NOBLE In ONI Sword Base and The Package. Cortana was in orbit in The Pillar of Autumn when the battle of Reach started. The Pillar was in orbit when the battle of Reach was ending. The Long Knight of Solace could have been shot down by super MAC's. Master Chief was not in cyro on the Pillar. To name a few. [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146684]You know you're wrong so you're backpedaling like mad now you could've left without using names and had your argument keep SOME validity.[/QUOTE] Um no I never backpedaled, I called you a prick for being a prick. Learn what arguing with some one is.

you're saying the ODSTs weren't super badass teams of hardened killers except that's the reason they existed. fuck i mean Spartans are basically ODST's with chemical injections and big armor.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146684]You know you're wrong so you're backpedaling like mad now you could've left without using names and had your argument keep SOME validity.[/QUOTE] Seriously, anyone who thinks There is any confliction in canon in the Halo universe doesn't know what they are talking about. And if Fall of Reach is their "proof" it's invalid beucase not all the novels were official canon, much of it was adapted as official canon, but that doesn't change the facts.)

You called someone a prick and then try to call it an argument. holy hell im gonna keep my debates to mass debate where people actually know how to argue.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146718]you're saying the ODSTs weren't super badass teams of hardened killers except that's the reason they existed. fuck i mean Spartans are basically ODST's with chemical injections and big armor.[/QUOTE] Except the ODST's are shown as special forces with marine like chain of command and organization.

[QUOTE=Delta616;37146722]Seriously, anyone who thinks There is any confliction in canon in the Halo universe doesn't know what they are talking about. And if Fall of Reach is their "proof" it's invalid beucase the First Novel Trilogy wasn't official canon, much of it was adapted as official canon, but that doesn't change the facts.)[/QUOTE] Honestly FoR was really hard for me to read, seeing as I started on Ghosts of Onyx. Everything about FoR just seemed... wrong. Glad to see it's not considered Canon, other than the things that have actually been verified later on.

[QUOTE=Delta616;37146722]Seriously, anyone who thinks There is any confliction in canon in the Halo universe doesn't know what they are talking about. And if Fall of Reach is their "proof" it's invalid beucase not all the novels were official canon, much of it was adapted as official canon, but that doesn't change the facts.)[/QUOTE] They were endorsed by Bungie and Bungie helped write them, I also just listed tons of inconsitinsies. You guys are getting so pissy as if I said halo was a bad game. Jesus.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37146737]Except the ODST's are shown as special forces with marine like chain of command and organization.[/QUOTE] this just in, you can't be a badass AND have a chain of command, they're mutually exclusive! You heard it here first from our resident Halo mastermind Panzer. [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37146743]They were endorsed by Bungie and Bungie helped write them, I also just listed tons of inconsitinsies. You guys are getting so pissy as if I said halo was a bad game. Jesus.[/QUOTE] dude you're arguing about the canon with our like go to guy for the halo series i dont understand where you're going with this at all

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146747]this just in, you can't be a badass AND have a chain of command, they're mutually exclusive! You heard it here first from our resident Halo mastermind Panzer.[/QUOTE] I never called my self a Halo mastermind, why are you being so dickish over it. They had no chain of command or organization in ODST. [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146747]dude you're arguing about the canon with our like go to guy for the halo series i dont understand where you're going with this at all[/QUOTE] I am arguing canon, I did not know this personally offends you to the point of insulting others.

In ODST they were trapped in a city that was falling apart, they were just trying to get regrouped so they could have some kind of command. like did you even play ODST for christ sakes

My hype for this game grows with every media release, and it's already at fever pitch. No game releases get me quite as excited as Halo. ME may have captured my interest for years, and individual releases often shine, but nothing has me consistently coming back like Halo.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37146756]I never called my self a Halo mastermind, why are you being so dickish over it. They had no chain of command or organization in ODST. [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] I am arguing canon, I did not know this personally offends you to the point of insulting others.[/QUOTE] you're really bad at debating im gonna tell you that now, you're resorting to some irrelevant things about personal effects when I'm just saying that you're arguing with fucking Delta.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146768]In ODST they were trapped in a city that was falling apart, they were just trying to get regrouped so they could have some kind of command. like did you even play ODST for christ sakes[/QUOTE] Um, no leader was ever acknowledged, they were never briefed by a higher up or anything, it was just them in the loading bay with the gunnery sergeant. [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=No Party Hats;37146780]you're really bad at debating im gonna tell you that now, you're resorting to some irrelevant things about personal effects when I'm just saying that you're arguing with fucking Delta.[/QUOTE] Uh no, I started arguing canon and you started insulting me. The pot is calling the kettle black.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37146705]MAC rounds tear planets in half, there were no ships with two MAC's, the arbiters armor was destroyed, spartans do not have shields (when that model of armor had them), the spirit is listed as a destroyer, to name a few.[/QUOTE] The SoF was a ship full of experiment technology (Read the back story about it.) It is listed as a destroyer beucause it is. mjolnir shielding was also experimental during that time frame, it was rare, but existed on the field. So what if the arbitaers armor was destoryed, they can't make a new set? [QUOTE] They were shown to have military organization like the marines, ODST gave a small team of ODST's led by a gunnery sergeant a demolitions expert and a sniper.[/QUOTE] That is a very stupid reason if you are going to use that to say they broke canon. [QUOTE] Dr. Halsey didn't know about the SPARTAN IIIs until Halo Ghosts of Onyx, but she clearly knew about NOBLE In ONI Sword Base and The Package. Cortana was in orbit in The Pillar of Autumn when the battle of Reach started. The Pillar was in orbit when the battle of Reach was ending. The Long Knight of Solace could have been shot down by super MAC's. Master Chief was not in cyro on the Pillar. To name a few.[/QUOTE] The novels don't follow the exact same canon of the game, simple as that, it's been stated of several occasions. Cortana was indeed in orbit in the PoA, the Cortana we had to escort out of reach was a small fragment of her program. So what of The Long Knight of Solace could have been shot down by a super MAC? Then we wouldn't have had that awesome space mission! That wasn't master chief, that was Linda. If you say "To name a few" and most of those are examples are crap, you are only making yourself look even more ignorant to the Halo Universe and canon.